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IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
July 09 2011 08:27 GMT
#21
On July 09 2011 17:26 StutteR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:22 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 09 2011 16:57 StutteR wrote:
We've known about the format for months and now we're bitching about it?!

Whos bitching? Its a discussion, wake up.
That post (and this one for that matter) are less valuable than any of the so called 'bitching' as you claim..


Try reading the LR thread -_-

Didn't realise this was the LR thread. Maybe you should post about the bitching there.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 09 2011 08:29 GMT
#22
Actually, why no love for Round Robin? It would have been ideal for todays matches.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
sgt_cr
Profile Joined November 2007
Costa Rica95 Posts
July 09 2011 08:31 GMT
#23
Double elimination is the way to go, you have players flying all around the world from korea, taiwan, and diff countries in europe for a 3 days event in which they can get send back home in just 40mins (in one bo3) the same day they come but still their roundtrip back home is till sunday or even monday........ you have also 20-30k viewers that wants to see more games....

Im not sure it looks like a no brainer 16players in 3 days, cant play a double elimination? thats just freaking weird.

IF you are not going to make a double elimination bc its harder to make schedules due to the 2 brackets and lack of computers for streaming at least do it bo5, make the players actually worth coming and have a shot to play more than just 2-3 games :S
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
July 09 2011 08:32 GMT
#24
double elimination imo.
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Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
July 09 2011 08:38 GMT
#25
I also think that Double-Elim is a bit anti-cilmatic. With single-elim you have this "do or die" scenario which just creates tension and excitement. I've always had the feeling that double elimination just prolongs a tournament unnecessarily.

With that being said, I vote for single elim. However I feel that this format should be designed in a better way than it is at the NASL: Bo5 instead of Bo3 and loser's map choice.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 09 2011 08:46 GMT
#26
It has been single elim for a while. I feel people only complain when their favourites don't go through even though they think the should(ex: JulyZerg's GSL July group)

At the end of the day, it was announced that it was going to be played like this, it was put into the rules. Every player signed the contract saying it was single elimination and every player had to show their top notch play from here on out otherwise they'll go home packing.

These were the format, rules and guidelines pre-set and no debates were on about them when they were set. You really need to stop complaining about every single thing that doesn't go right for your favourite player.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
July 09 2011 08:50 GMT
#27
Double elimination for NASL. Playing for 9 weeks then getting only one shot in a bo3 after traveling all the way to the US? Too brutal.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
July 09 2011 08:51 GMT
#28
To me it does not really matter that much, assuming same amount of games are played. (so Single Elimination would obviously have to have a larger set of Best of X's, since obviously in the time they are using casting /playing losers brackets can also be used just casting more of the singel elimination.)

As a small sidenote , I might be remembering incorrectly, but did not MLG at first get tons of flak because of having a losers bracket format ? (or was that maybe only because of the extended series?)
Wat
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
July 09 2011 08:55 GMT
#29
it depends if there's a big league going into the play offs. Most sports is single elimination,american football is BO1 too!
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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 09 2011 08:57 GMT
#30
What other sport has double elimination from playoffs? The divisional play was the double, sometimes quadruple elimination stage (see darkforce) after that it's normal playoffs. BO5 I could entertain tho.
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Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 09:00:45
July 09 2011 08:59 GMT
#31
On July 09 2011 17:51 Earll wrote:To me it does not really matter that much, assuming same amount of games are played. (so Single Elimination would obviously have to have a larger set of Best of X's, since obviously in the time they are using casting /playing losers brackets can also be used just casting more of the singel elimination.)

As a small sidenote , I might be remembering incorrectly, but did not MLG at first get tons of flak because of having a losers bracket format ? (or was that maybe only because of the extended series?)

It was, and still is, because of the extended series.
IMO single elimination is good enough when the players are already seeded based on the results of prior play, but tournaments that have no form of group stages and go directly in brackets format should be double elimination.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
July 09 2011 09:03 GMT
#32
how about a bo5? it sucks though since they cant change anything now. i don't get their schedule. tomorrow is going to have fewer games than today but there are still going to be long breaks?

it just seems a waste for everybody to setup and fly over just so you can lose in two minutes. if you're gonna argue drama did you really get hyped when ret lose to puma? it was more like wtf just happened and i felt sorta cheated.

also why have tastosis, day9 if you're gonna cast so few games(much less ones THEY'RE casting).
Dulkan
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany24 Posts
July 09 2011 09:04 GMT
#33
On July 09 2011 17:25 windsupernova wrote:
Single elimination with BO5 or BO7.

Extended series are a terrible terrible thing.And I don't really want more games for the sake of more games


double elimination doesn't mean you have to use the horrible extended series rule, don't worry, that's unique to MLG
RealRook
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic54 Posts
July 09 2011 09:04 GMT
#34
getting eliminated if you lose 1 BO3 after 3 months of group play, awesome ...
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
July 09 2011 09:05 GMT
#35
On July 09 2011 16:20 IceSlipper wrote:
The method i like best is making the loser bracket player win the series twice.. Seems fair to me that everyone else gets a second chance, why shouldnt the winner bracket finalist?

Never the less, double elimination, either way..


Those are the normal rules for double elim. A problem comes when the winner finalist wins in 2 matches, it's a huge anticlimax to the entire tournament. An alternative is to make the finals BO5, but to make it fair you still need the double elim, and then risk having 10 games.

I kinda liked the Homestory cup format. It was a compromise between WB finalist having the advantage and not having to play two separate series.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 09 2011 09:05 GMT
#36
Problem with double is terrible finals.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 09:13:43
July 09 2011 09:10 GMT
#37
Ugh, the results of the poll are so discouraging.

I really dislike any form of double elimination in Starcraft. Single elimination tournaments are pretty much a tradition, and all Korean competitions are single elimination. If you lose a BO5, there's no reason at all for you to stay in the tournament in any way.

The real awful thing about double elimination are all these additional rules and structure - whether it's extended series, guys in LB having to win 2 series, a fixed game advantage, or this some other complex structure that needs a flowchart diagram to be explained. All of that is just horrible in my opinion.

Every "grand" finals I've seen in double elimination tournaments was an underwhelming, pointless series in which the WB finalist has absurd advantage and shouldn't lose unless he's drunk or something. Then again, I guess there's a chance for that to happen because you may as well celebrate (thus get drunk) after winning the WB finals.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 09:14:37
July 09 2011 09:14 GMT
#38
accidental double post -_-
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 09 2011 09:14 GMT
#39
Wait! Just wait a damn minute!

TL likes double elimination now?
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
July 09 2011 09:16 GMT
#40
My preference:
1) Single elimination bo5. In my opinion, if you lose a bo5 to a "weaker" player, you don't deserve to be in the tournament.
2) Double elimination bo3 with upper bracker winner 1-0 up in bo7 finals.
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