EPTProfessionalism in electronic sports - Page 13
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skirmisheR
Sweden451 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:28 burster wrote: People are so focused on spoken(typed) manners but does anyone ever create huge things about manner mules or dropping a nexus in someones base after they win? Actions speak louder than words I feel. The reason is sponsors and political correctness. A sponsor doesn't care if a player like MC bangs on a booth, but it will care if MC says offensive words. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:30 AlBundy wrote: A lot of people in this thread are saying "there's shit talk in a lot of sports so it's fine". What the fuck? I for one don't want esports to become like some of these real sports, you know, like football (soccer) where half the enthusiasts and supporters are retarded and/or alcohoolic douchebags. I want esports to stay classy and respectable. I don't want esports to become lowbrow entertainment like all these popular sports. But if it's already too late, then tell me and I'll go away. It is, dude, abandon all hope and leave Starcraft forever. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
I don't think there should be any kind of severe penalties for little slips like this, they happen quite rarely anyways. Besides, MLG already has rules regarding chat and they do warn players for chatting. | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
If the ESports-scene follows the route that established major sport broadcast follow, it will alienate the public that made ESports possible in the first place, namely us gamers. One more note; you have to consider that ESports is far more international than NFL or NBA, so what's considered as BM isn't always clear because of cultural differences. | ||
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cheeseheadlogic
United States322 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:11 Helios.Star wrote: Apparently nobody hear watches NBA games, or they would have remembered how much trouble Shaq got in, and how much he got fined, after he cursed on live tv. After the interviewer reminded him he was on live TV he said "I dont give a fuck". Hes allowed to curse all he wants on his rap albums, but not at an nba game during a live interview. Or how about during this years playoffs when Kobe called the ref a fucking faggot (it wasnt even audible, you could only read his lips), didnt he get fined like $50,000? Why shouldnt esports be held to the same standards? Nobody batted an eye? Are you joking? This was the lead story on Sportscenter for like a week after it happened, with cancer groups/patients, nba players, coaches, fans, and analysts speaking out against Garnett. There was a HUGE backlash for him saying this. Just like Kobe cant call somebody a fucking faggot without the gay community speaking out. Ok I agree with the post above mine where NBA and E-sports have different target audiences and it's tough to compare. I'm a fan and participant to both sides and I can easily say that NBA players are looked upon as bigger and global role models than E-sports players. For any sports league such as the NBA, NFL, and MLB, in the past several years they have been leagues of image(always trying to look better to the public not matter how much it hurts the sport). So they are less tolerable when players step out of line. Fact Check *Kobe got fined 100,000 *Charlie accused Kevin of calling him a cancer patient(but never actually did) Also as gamers I think BM and trash talk are part of the culture and community. Most of the time gamers are not having face to face interactions. They're sitting behind a screen knocking down mtn dews and hammering down some cheetos. You don't know what the other person looks like, where they live, or what they do......and I doubt any of us would care either. This opens up the mindset that you aren't liable for what you say, and there are no consequences if you do. I would to see someone in this post stand up and say that they have played 1.6, sc, sc2, call of duty, madden, fifa, or any other ocmpetitve video game where they have found a clean enviorment without trash talking bm kids. It's part of the mindset and culture. Not saying it's right though, just not point to monitor it or censor it in useless amatuer level competition. For E-sports to progress they do have to monitor some of the bigger names, tournaments, etc. I don't think fines are proper because pay outs aren't actually that big if people want to compare them to professional athletes. Just penalize them from playing or participating in tournaments for BM. | ||
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Castrophy
United States232 Posts
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:30 AlBundy wrote: A lot of people in this thread are saying "there's shit talk in a lot of sports so it's fine". What the fuck? I for one don't want esports to become like some of these real sports, you know, like football (soccer) where half the enthusiasts and supporters are retarded and/or alcohoolic douchebags. I want esports to stay classy and respectable. I don't want esports to become lowbrow entertainment like all these popular sports. But if it's already too late, then tell me and I'll go away. I feel that at the end of the day, a lot of people on TL are just here for the drama, the trash talk and the immature behavior and that's it. I guess we're all just human beings after all. Shortsighted and dumb human beings. Stop sounding like you're superior or any better than any of us. When Idra and MC BM each other and create drama, they are creating a hype that creates a spectator's sensation that gets you pumped to watch the game. I'm surprised that you know the entire football enthusiast community and have found that exactly "half" of them are retarded or alcoholic douche-bags. A sport is a sport to those who are playing it but it's also a spectator's game for those who watch it for entertainment and people like drama. From the days of Ancient Greece, Drama has entertained the minds of Emperors, Kings, citizens, and the homeless. We aren't dumb for loving something that startles our emotional senses, it's what makes us...us. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:34 bonifaceviii wrote: It is, dude, abandon all hope and leave Starcraft forever. Still waiting for a perma ban from another thread but alas... Anyway it seems that the only way to make esports mainstream is to dumb it down so here we go. I guess Idra is fighting the good fight. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
Imo, this is the ideal solution for people who actually like watching Starcraft and not soap operas. Players can show their personality outside of tournament games, in interviews or whatnot. | ||
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Serene
United States23 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:26 Helios.Star wrote: Presently yes, it is a niche market, but have you seen how many posts there are on TL about trying to get esports to grow? How can you appeal to the same larger demographic that the NBA does if you allow players to act however they want and say whatever they want? Just because were used to BM doesnt mean everybody is going to think its OK. I mean if you play pickup basketball games regularly youve more than likely heard a few curse words thrown around, and probably said a few yourself, but that doesnt mean thats what should be aired on ABC during a professional game. The thing is, in complete honesty from a business perspective E-Sports will not appeal to the same demographic as ANY professional sport. It will grow and quite largely at that as more tournaments become widely available and reach new viewer bases, possibly even on console systems through XBox Live or PSN. I guess from my viewpoint is that at the current state of E-Sports in general and the growth it is experiencing expectations across the board will change. A lot of that growth is due to new games but coincidentally also the personalities that come with them. Good or Bad we need the characters that bring viewers in because that is what sponsors are drawn to right now. Will E-Sports ever get so big to the point where Sponsors start demanding certain things from teams or players? Time will tell I suppose. But look at some of the most popular streams, Destiny and IdrA, or tournaments games, IdrA vs MMA/MC. They get the most viewers because that is what the target market is interested in at the moment, drama and the potential for something fantastic. Until that trend changes, these pleas for "professionalism" and "manners" will meet ardent refusal. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:38 Enervate wrote: All tournaments should ban ingame chat (aside from pp) and require gg's. I'm not being sarcastic. Imo, this is the ideal solution for people who actually like watching Starcraft and not soap operas. Players can show their personality outside of tournament games, in interviews or whatnot. I dunno, I actually like to see some player interaction in chat, it can be interesting. Like SeleCT and Naniwa joking around at Dallas, or even the Huk and IdrA thing. It happens pretty rarely so it's not a big deal, like once or twice at every MLG there will be something "controversial" in chat, but it's never a big deal in my opinion. As long as warning are given out to make sure it doesn't happen in every other game, I'm fine with it. | ||
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:34 bonifaceviii wrote: It is, dude, abandon all hope and leave Starcraft forever. The irony of you being called AlBundy made me chuckle a little. For those that don't know him, Al Bundy was the stereotypical chauvanist pig / douche type in a sitcom. I'll stop the nostalgic derail now  I think a bit of strategic BM adds an element of rivalry to the scene and polarises people which makes great viewing. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
as long as the "unprofessionalism" stays focused on the game and doesn't stretch out to comments/threats about a person's family or well being, I'll view it more as entertainment value than being unprofessional | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
It's pretty clear that Huk was baiting him here, taunting him after a loss. You can't ignore it just because he didn't use "fuck." | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:37 seoul_kiM wrote: Stop sounding like you're superior or any better than any of us. When Idra and MC BM each other and create drama, they are creating a hype that creates a spectator's sensation that gets you pumped to watch the game. I'm surprised that you know the entire football enthusiast community and have found that exactly "half" of them are retarded or alcoholic douche-bags. A sport is a sport to those who are playing it but it's also a spectator's game for those who watch it for entertainment and people like drama. From the days of Ancient Greece, Drama has entertained the minds of Emperors, Kings, citizens, and the homeless. We aren't dumb for loving something that startles our emotional senses, it's what makes us...us. Yeah, Idra flipping off a fellow competitor is totally similar to ancient greece theatre. Sure. Euripides ain't got nuthin on ma boi Grack. | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
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UFO
582 Posts
Such leagues MUST forbid such public disrespect and fine IdrA. A message needs to be sent. EG manager SirScoots has often been quoted on Twitter and elsewhere to be against the word "rape". I personally don't think that the word "rape" is holding electronic sports back in this situation First, its not about Idra. Its about overall rules, punishment, different expressions, different perspectives, tolerance and the well being of the community. Second, what the fuck is wrong with you to compare e-sports to "real life" sports in this way ? There are similarities but the culture, traditions, atmosphere and context is very different from that in e-sports. What makes you think that the same rules should be applied to real life sports and e-sports ? Its very sad that people writing articles such as THIS one, include such flawed and, dare I say, ignorant, black&white, narrow views. Strict rules, punishment and harshness is NOT the solution. Where does this lead you ? You want fucking Pavlov`s dogs community ? A community where no one crosses the line which people like you try to define and establish as borderline of law ? Please tell me, where the fuck is tolerance ? Has it not occured to you, that in your, oh so passionate and fierce conviction to be the good guys, you are disregarding and mocking tolerance ? Not all share your views about some curse words or your definitions of unacceptable "bad manner", not to mention your solutions to the problems which are created by your interpretation of the situation. Who the fuck do you think you are to define the borderline for EVERYONE ? Like this ? Can`t you understand or acknowledge that there are other points of view and you are NOT an oracle to attack and discredit these points of view ? I really doubt you have bad intentions. Probably a very good ones. I don`t think you do this intentionally, probably completele unintentionally. However, you miss the point. People like you - people who want to justify strict punishment and define strict rules - you are control freaks and if you succed with your plans - you ruin the spirit of this community. You stab e-sports right in the heart. You kill life in e-sports. You launch the iron words of your strict definitions and you impose them on others and in this, you tarnish and mock the beauty of our diversity. Truly, so coincidental that these are people with some kind of authority that always want stricter rules, more harsh punishments - such a coincidence. It just so happens, that stricter rules and harsh punishments always greatly increase the value of authority and recognition because those who have authority are the ones who mostly define the interpretation and application of these rules. They become the important ones. They become the indispensable ones. They become the saviors who save us from the chaos, injustice, lack of professionalism or whatever they claim is a great threat. Such a coincidence. What is really sad in this story and basicly in most other stories, is that so many people support that because they respond to similar desires. Control. Control brings peace and succes, it also "saves people" from their "sinful/egoistic natures" and "stupidity" or so they believe, at least partially. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:50 AlBundy wrote: Yeah, Idra flipping off a fellow competitor is totally similar to ancient greece theatre. Sure. Euripides ain't got nuthin on ma boi Grack. Maybe not Euripides, but definitely Shakespeare. Shakespeare was lower-brow than anything IdrA's pulled out of his leather Gracket. | ||
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