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Chill (1:38 July 05 KST): Discussing the cracked Bnet2 is acceptable in this thread.
DO NOT post any links to websites explaining how to install / use the crack.
DO NOT explain in your post how to install / use the crack.
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On July 07 2011 05:24 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 01:17 Vardant wrote:On July 07 2011 01:12 StuBob wrote:On July 07 2011 00:00 tyCe wrote:On July 06 2011 23:46 StuBob wrote:On July 06 2011 23:40 See.Blue wrote:
This is just technology development, let's just wait and see what happens. The biggest effect things like this usually have is incentivization. This puts the ball in Blizzard's court, I'm very curious to see where this goes.
I agree. If blizz doesn't do anything then we will get lan ^.^ If blizz does something (presumably add lan) we will get lan ^.^ I am excited, lol. They could just threaten lawsuits against everyone using it in America. Lucky I'm in Australia! I doubt that the FBI is going to hunt down people using a crack for LAN Especially, if there's no way to find that out, lol. Yeah I was going to say,but have been kinda beaten to it: Not only does Blizzard not have the power to sue so many people for something that's difficult to prove, but they would have no way of knowing. Not even the most powerful organizations in the country (or world) such as the FBI would have access to the information of what software is running on a typical user's PC.
Actually... it's pretty simple, they find out the ip addresses of every person who downloaded the crack, trace it, and you have your address. They probably won't sue every person as it would take up too much money to do so, but they probably would take some sort of action.
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On July 10 2011 07:26 Axel.Bowex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 05:24 Xapti wrote:On July 07 2011 01:17 Vardant wrote:On July 07 2011 01:12 StuBob wrote:On July 07 2011 00:00 tyCe wrote:On July 06 2011 23:46 StuBob wrote:On July 06 2011 23:40 See.Blue wrote:
This is just technology development, let's just wait and see what happens. The biggest effect things like this usually have is incentivization. This puts the ball in Blizzard's court, I'm very curious to see where this goes.
I agree. If blizz doesn't do anything then we will get lan ^.^ If blizz does something (presumably add lan) we will get lan ^.^ I am excited, lol. They could just threaten lawsuits against everyone using it in America. Lucky I'm in Australia! I doubt that the FBI is going to hunt down people using a crack for LAN Especially, if there's no way to find that out, lol. Yeah I was going to say,but have been kinda beaten to it: Not only does Blizzard not have the power to sue so many people for something that's difficult to prove, but they would have no way of knowing. Not even the most powerful organizations in the country (or world) such as the FBI would have access to the information of what software is running on a typical user's PC. Actually... it's pretty simple, they find out the ip addresses of every person who downloaded the crack, trace it, and you have your address. They probably won't sue every person as it would take up too much money to do so, but they probably would take some sort of action.
Recent court case in the united states ruled that an IP address is not sufficient evidence to prove someone did something.
Source: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/05/03/2020205/An-IP-Address-Does-Not-Point-To-a-Person-Judge-Rules
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On July 10 2011 07:26 Axel.Bowex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 05:24 Xapti wrote:
Not only does Blizzard not have the power to sue so many people for something that's difficult to prove, but they would have no way of knowing. Not even the most powerful organizations in the country (or world) such as the FBI would have access to the information of what software is running on a typical user's PC. Actually... it's pretty simple, they find out the ip addresses of every person who downloaded the crack, trace it, and you have your address. They probably won't sue every person as it would take up too much money to do so, but they probably would take some sort of action.
That only works on traceable download sources (as opposed to private servers,secured bittorrent, e-mail, CD/DVD/USB, IRC/MSN/AIM/Y!M DCC, LAN, etc.). It also doesn't indicate that they used the crack, so they would just be charged for having a copy of the game (which is a common problem anyway). It also wouldn't indicate which person at the IP's location downloaded
and/or used it (WIFI, multiple-person households).
Edit: damn got beaten to again
On a side note: English version of the Chinese LAN client seems to be operational now. The Chinese data files were switched to English. It will still be a while before NA/EU client is modded.
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On July 10 2011 07:26 Axel.Bowex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 05:24 Xapti wrote:On July 07 2011 01:17 Vardant wrote:On July 07 2011 01:12 StuBob wrote:On July 07 2011 00:00 tyCe wrote:On July 06 2011 23:46 StuBob wrote:On July 06 2011 23:40 See.Blue wrote:
This is just technology development, let's just wait and see what happens. The biggest effect things like this usually have is incentivization. This puts the ball in Blizzard's court, I'm very curious to see where this goes.
I agree. If blizz doesn't do anything then we will get lan ^.^ If blizz does something (presumably add lan) we will get lan ^.^ I am excited, lol. They could just threaten lawsuits against everyone using it in America. Lucky I'm in Australia! I doubt that the FBI is going to hunt down people using a crack for LAN Especially, if there's no way to find that out, lol. Yeah I was going to say,but have been kinda beaten to it: Not only does Blizzard not have the power to sue so many people for something that's difficult to prove, but they would have no way of knowing. Not even the most powerful organizations in the country (or world) such as the FBI would have access to the information of what software is running on a typical user's PC. Actually... it's pretty simple, they find out the ip addresses of every person who downloaded the crack, trace it, and you have your address. They probably won't sue every person as it would take up too much money to do so, but they probably would take some sort of action.
Nobody is getting sued for downloading and using this 'hack'. It's not even illegal. There's laws such as the Bills of Rights and equivalent that states that you can modify what you own (the game files is your copy). The TOS means nothing here.
Also, just because you download something doesn't mean you even know what it is or that you're going to use it. It could even be a person that hacked into your wireless that actually did it. There's way too many complication invovled here, so it's simply not that simple a thing.
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On July 06 2011 06:47 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 12:26 Irrelevant wrote:On July 05 2011 12:20 Mauldo wrote:
So the drop hackers are bad, but these hackers are good? They did the same thing, only you guys actually get to profit off of this with an illegal LAN.
It'll get shut down anyway, Blizzard is going to kick the shit out of whoever is doing this. That is, unless the government throws a fit. Which they probably will. There is a big difference in downloading a script off google and double clicking it to take advantaged of flaws in the bnet0.2 to cheat someone out of pixel pts as opposed to reverse engineering the whole client/server relations and allowing people to play around the world lag free without even needing an internet connection. That doesn't change a thing. They worked harder to break the law, so it's okay now? This is illegal. Running this is the very definition of the word. It doesn't matter if Blizzard's BattleNet was nothing but a shittier version of AIM. Running this is illegal, and developing this is grounds of a multi-million dollar lawsuit on top of a prison sentence. And yet, it's okay because it helps you guys. Everyone in the thread acknowledges that it's illegal or at least against the Terms and Conditions, but they don't care. They blame Blizzard for them breaking the law. If any of you went into the Hack thread and pushed for Blizzard to sue the developer of the hack and ban the users and fix the loophole, and then came in here and lauded the Chinese developers of this, then you're trying to have your cake and eat it to. Either both hacks are okay, or none are.
Anyone with half a brain can tell that modding in a basic feature that was included in sc1 in 1998 but intentionally left out of sc2 because Blizzard thought they could make more money by screwing over their legitimate customers is different from drop hacking.
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On July 07 2011 00:00 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 23:46 StuBob wrote:On July 06 2011 23:40 See.Blue wrote:
This is just technology development, let's just wait and see what happens. The biggest effect things like this usually have is incentivization. This puts the ball in Blizzard's court, I'm very curious to see where this goes.
I agree. If blizz doesn't do anything then we will get lan ^.^ If blizz does something (presumably add lan) we will get lan ^.^ I am excited, lol. They could just threaten lawsuits against everyone using it in America.
Adding official lan:
- (Cost of) developing LAN
- enthusiasm from legit players and tournament venues
- possibility to play internationally (cross-server) over virtual networks? Would decrease sales
- less incentive to get unofficial version
Not adding official lan:
- Pay lawyers internationally to go against people who actually like their game.
- Fight hosts for illegit servers/hosts - seems uncontrollable
- Keep lag and a certain amount of risk for tourneys
If using the cracked versions is easy enough, they will get popular fast. Seeing how Blizzard doesn't make money off starcraft2 other than initial purchase (and maybe licensing for tournaments?) I find it hard to imagine which the most profitable solution for them is. Also I'm curious what difference Heart of the Swarm will have to multiplayer- split servers, classic (for those who don't buy it) and post-expansion? Not licensing the GSL for example to use SC2 before-patch, if they dislike multiplayer changes of HotS, might popularise cracked versions a lot.
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On July 10 2011 07:26 Axel.Bowex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 05:24 Xapti wrote:On July 07 2011 01:17 Vardant wrote:On July 07 2011 01:12 StuBob wrote:On July 07 2011 00:00 tyCe wrote:On July 06 2011 23:46 StuBob wrote:On July 06 2011 23:40 See.Blue wrote:
This is just technology development, let's just wait and see what happens. The biggest effect things like this usually have is incentivization. This puts the ball in Blizzard's court, I'm very curious to see where this goes.
I agree. If blizz doesn't do anything then we will get lan ^.^ If blizz does something (presumably add lan) we will get lan ^.^ I am excited, lol. They could just threaten lawsuits against everyone using it in America. Lucky I'm in Australia! I doubt that the FBI is going to hunt down people using a crack for LAN Especially, if there's no way to find that out, lol. Yeah I was going to say,but have been kinda beaten to it: Not only does Blizzard not have the power to sue so many people for something that's difficult to prove, but they would have no way of knowing. Not even the most powerful organizations in the country (or world) such as the FBI would have access to the information of what software is running on a typical user's PC. Actually... it's pretty simple, they find out the ip addresses of every person who downloaded the crack, trace it, and you have your address. They probably won't sue every person as it would take up too much money to do so, but they probably would take some sort of action.
Even then, it's almost impossible to prove an IP address is a person in court. It has happened but most of the time it's thrown out.
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So it looks like one person serves as both a client and the server while the other person is just a client. Does the person who is hosting then have an inherent lag advantage or no? I only skimmed through most of the thread, so sorry if this has been asked.
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On July 05 2011 12:20 Mauldo wrote:
So the drop hackers are bad, but these hackers are good? They did the same thing, only you guys actually get to profit off of this with an illegal LAN.
Players' goal is to have fun. Companies' goal is to get money. A good company might even think about maximising the "fun-to-be-had" as well as profit.
Players break the rules and play illegit LAN for the sake of fun.
Blizzard downgrade from SC1 with no LAN to make it hardest possible to crack the multiplayer aka sell most official versions possible.
Drop hackers break the rules because they can - doesn't help anybody. It's like you're putting an equal sign between Robin Hood and Hannibal Lecter.
Mauldo wrote:
That doesn't change a thing. They worked harder to break the law, so it's okay now?
This is illegal. Running this is the very definition of the word. It doesn't matter if Blizzard's BattleNet was nothing but a shittier version of AIM. Running this is illegal, and developing this is grounds of a multi-million dollar lawsuit on top of a prison sentence.
There's more important software being cracked for which hackers don't get sued or imprisoned because they're smart enough to stay anonymous. Ever heard about an OS-cracker go to jail? Running this is as risky as any other shady software you might happen to have, with a minuscule risk to get your official Bnet account banned. Unless you're trying to run a big-ass tournament to get money for yourself you won't get in trouble. If you were implying morality, it's a matter of popularity. If everybody plays the fake version with the better features it's not "illegal" to your conscience - just like torrenting.
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On July 10 2011 09:03 waxypants wrote:
So it looks like one person serves as both a client and the server while the other person is just a client. Does the person who is hosting then have an inherent lag advantage or no? I only skimmed through most of the thread, so sorry if this has been asked.
If the point is to have LAN, then it doesn't really make much of a difference since you'll both have insignificant latency compared to going through the interwebs.
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I don't know why they don't make it where you log on to their server, then once you're logged in, go to the "tournament" tab (which they'd add) and authenticate to a "tournament server" which would be officially put together and licensed by blizzard. Problem solved.
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We released the English modification to Starfriend.
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Enjoy your LAN Parties.
User was banned for this post.
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On July 11 2011 09:29 Myst[DarkBlizz] wrote:
We released the English modification to Starfriend.
--mod edit--
Enjoy your LAN Parties.
Holy shit.
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On July 11 2011 09:29 Myst[DarkBlizz] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +We released the English modification to Starfriend.
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Enjoy your LAN Parties .
Even though I support what your doing, you should really keep links out of the thread, otherwise its just gonna get shut down. The purpose of the thread is to share the knowledge that something like this is out there, but thats something they would have to figure out.
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Damn thats actually HOT.
ICCUP GOGO
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Wow so someone's finally done it.
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On July 11 2011 09:49 stormchaser wrote:
Wow so someone's finally done it.
Yes. And the thing is that if they can EMULATE servers, the thing is that they can make ladder just like blizzard did. SO I HOPE they have some money and they can support payments for online servers and we will see something pretty soon :D
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On July 11 2011 09:56 DirtYLOu wrote:
And the thing is that if they can EMULATE servers, they can make ladder just like blizzard did. I HOPE they have some money and they can support payments for online servers and we will see something pretty soon :D That's quite a ways away from happening AFAIK since it only handles lobby and game connections right now, not anything else like achievements, ladder, etc.
On July 11 2011 09:29 Myst wrote:
released the English modification to Starfriend.
To clairify, this is english mod of TW client (like I said before), not an actual NA/EU client version (although when one mods enough stuff I'd kinda wonder what the difference would be).
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On July 11 2011 10:43 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:56 DirtYLOu wrote:
And the thing is that if they can EMULATE servers, they can make ladder just like blizzard did. I HOPE they have some money and they can support payments for online servers and we will see something pretty soon :D That's quite a ways away from happening AFAIK since it only handles lobby and game connections right now, not anything else like achievements, ladder, etc. Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:29 Myst wrote:
released the English modification to Starfriend.
To clairify, this is english mod of TW client (like I said before), not an actual NA/EU client version (although when one mods enough stuff I'd kinda wonder what the difference would be).
FFS, for what you need achievements for? They make ladder working and half of the scene i can asure u gonna play there.
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I have no respect for people who blatantly steal the work of other. I dont care if they make .20 cents an hour, they should be thrown in jail because they are DIRTy piRATES!!! I dont care what the context is,, stealinh is ALways wrong!!
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