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DocSeverinsen
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany86 Posts
July 02 2011 16:59 GMT
#101
We should blame Blizzard for this.. Just always blame Blizzard.. its easier for us all.
No one leaves alive... hero stalker
DerBeefman
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany226 Posts
July 02 2011 16:59 GMT
#102
No Strelok T_T
he was so good during the group stages so sad he can't show the same at the finals
extended thermal lances aka extended imbalances
50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
July 02 2011 17:02 GMT
#103
Damn, the NASL really should change it's name to NAWOL.
I'm posting on twoplustwo because I have always been amazed at the level of talent that populates this site --- it's almost unparalleled on the Internet.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 02 2011 17:03 GMT
#104
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 17:05:02
July 02 2011 17:04 GMT
#105
On paper, the rule sounded better then seeing the actual implementation of it. Hopefully next season it will be fixed up. I'm not saying it should be Naniwa, but it should have been whoever was next in line from the playoffs. One of the players Xeris already listed.


Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 02 2011 17:04 GMT
#106
On July 03 2011 01:59 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:56 Chicane wrote:
Another no show... this time in person.

I find it ridiculous that NightEnd was told he can't get in the league simply because he didn't show proof of a visa, and then a player like Strelok doesn't have one when he knew it was likely he would be playing in the US for quite awhile now.

On top of that, replacing him with aLive instead of Naniwa? Why? Please don't tell me that an entire organization would actually get butthurt over a few words, and wouldn't be able to simply act professional and give the spot to a player who committed themselves to the entire season.

Seriously... what is this...

On July 03 2011 01:56 Tidus Mino wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:08 tsuxiit wrote:
That blows. I thought a requirement to entering the tournament was actually having a valid visa?


Yes but you have to pay for Visa's so it'd be unfair to expect him to pay a load for his Visa, before he even knew if he could go or not


No... it would be unfair for him to play in a NA league without knowing for certain that he could actually travel for the final tournament if he were to take a spot in it and participate.


I'll repost this as many times as necesary because TeamLiquid seems to be full of members with attention span of a goldfish.

Show nested quote +

This is because Alive is the NASL Open runner up. It's listed in the NASL Open rules that the runner-up is invited as a back-up player in the grand finals, here.

What's at stake
The winner of the tournament will receive a $500 travel stipend and a spot at the Grand Finals July 8-10 in Ontario, California.

The second place finisher will receive a $500 travel stipend should he/she choose to attend the Grand Finals, and will be listed as a backup player.

The Top 8 finishers will qualify for Season 2 of the North American Star League.


NaNiwa had two chances for earning a grand finales spot. He did not played his best in the NASL playoffs and missed Top2 spot partially due to an early season w/o, so he had no one to blame for missing out but himself.

It's unfortunate that any thread with NASL in the title will inevitably attract the thrones of TL folks whom made it their business to chase every shadow for their latest claim to how NASL has failed (or how it's a pyramid scheme, or how they're amataurish, et al). It's a scary proposition that the same people whom purports to wishing for E-sports to flourish in the west yet actively works to undermine one of the biggest tournament.



No need to come across as condescending. I went on the NASL site and didn't see a rules page, and read many posts on this thread, and thought the other people saying Nani should take the spot were basing it off the rules. Just because I didn't happen to see your post doesn't mean I have the attention span of a goldfish. Logic fail.

Regardless, I admit I was wrong (though I am still not finding those rules... not that I am doubting they are in fact the rules) but my point still stands that it was hypocritical of them to deny NightEnd solely on his visa issues, when Strelok who should have known it is likely he will be going to the US never got one.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2011 17:05 GMT
#107
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 02 2011 17:06 GMT
#108
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 17:10:03
July 02 2011 17:07 GMT
#109
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.

So let me get this straight. It's only the tournament's job to follow the straight and narrow. However, if a player publically acts like a dick towards the tournament they are just supposed to take it.

If you are going to spout that "professionalism!!!!" mantra at least understand that if you actually want that everyone, including the players, have to act professional otherwise it doesn't look, you know, professional.

Edit: The absurd amount of NASL hatred in the starcraft community is both amusing and depressing at the same time. FOR ESPORTS, right guys?
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 17:10:20
July 02 2011 17:07 GMT
#110
Sorry, I am just fuming because after reposting this in every single page of this thread, people are still figuring out a way to twist such an unfortunate circumstance as an indictment against NASL.
Thank God and gunrun.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
July 02 2011 17:10 GMT
#111
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.

In most sports, if player is disrespectful towards an official or the organization, they face consequences (fines/bans). So i don't see any wrong doing in NASL part.
Feijichang
Profile Joined April 2010
China167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 17:13:37
July 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#112
If the rules/process for replacing a player have long been established and followed to this result... no problem.

However "3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?"

Is the reason why NASL is a shitty league. Sticks and stones, words are not actions. You are fucking pathetic. Get a PR guy, seriously.

Someone called you a name on the internet, an athlete didn't get in your face while you were trying to observe a game. Naniwa didn't go on a tirade around the internet creating videos and interviews about how the NASL is awful. He certainly didn't create and publish a 15 minute slanderous video about the league because of some minor problem.

User was temp banned for this post.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#113
as a huge aLive fan, i am giddy right now, NASL finals is a must watch now.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
July 02 2011 17:12 GMT
#114
Instead of criticizing NASL for being petty shouldn't we be criticizing Nani for being hypocritical? Of all the people to blame here I don't understand how NASL is one of them.

Mousesports, Strelok, Nani are all more valid targets.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
July 02 2011 17:12 GMT
#115
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I would say that if a player from English Premier League publicly says that "EPL is suck and a shitty league", he would be banned for a (very) long time.

Professional goes both ways. Players also have to respect organizations as well as organizations have to listen to critiques of players. Clapping with only one hand won't make a sound.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
July 02 2011 17:12 GMT
#116
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.



And you should get the stick out from that sensitive spot and calm down.

Seriously guys, if anything Naniwa calling the NASL a shitty tourny is worse than Xeris saying he called it a shitty tournament. And I guarantee that with a little searching you could easily find some major large corporation denying somebody a position or service based on their past interactions.

Why do people jump on this shit so much? I seriously don't understand wtf Xeris did that was "bad" and "unprofessional".......
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2011 17:12 GMT
#117
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.


First of all: why? My emotional response has absolutely nothing to do with my professionalism, work ethic, or decision making in an official capacity. If Naniwa wants to act like he can do whatever he wants, publicly denounce our league and talk about how he hates playing in it... why should I bother to give him any courtesy? I'll even tell him to his face, and he'd do the same to me.

At the end of the day, I didn't sit there and say "fuck that guy I'm gonna ban him from NASL cuz of what he said," our rules were very clear about our policies.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 02 2011 17:15 GMT
#118
VISAs outside of a ring of countries the USA has "quick" processes with these days can be hard to obtain. However, this is mostly a corruption/bureaucracy issue. Most of the world is, unfortunately, actually like this.

My guess why WhiteRa hasn't had an issue is simply because he got his ages ago during the SC:BW days. BratOK missed a solid 4 or 5 tournaments due to the VISA issues. You don't get through them quickly, unfortunately.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 02 2011 17:17 GMT
#119
It was in the rules from the start, stop whining kids.

On July 03 2011 01:29 The_DjiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


Second that. I feel Naniwa deserves the spot alot more than aLive, since he played for nearly 3 months in the NASL and proved in the past that he is a top competitor too. Also I feel that its way too easy for most of the Koreans to get into lucrative tournament spots. Compare that to the qualification process for GSL as a foreigner... Koreans just get invited and can take loads of money home oO


Never seen such an ill-informed post. Foreigners of any note (Huk, Haypro, Ret, Moonglade, Sheth) get seeded into Code A by virtue of not being Korean and avoid the hardest competition in Sc2 (Code B). No foreigner has ever made it through Code B.

Everyone was invited to NASL, whether they were European, Korean or American they were all invited.

In MLG Koreans are invited and avoid the qualifiers just like they do in GSL and given how easilly they destroyed the open bracket (July), and the Championship bracket (MC, MMA, Losira) they've at least proven they were worthy of being seeded. Where as the majority of foreigners in Code A have gone out in the first or second round and even Huk only made it to the Third Round.

Not only that but for NASL Season 2 and the Open Tournament for Season 1 Koreans got in by virtue of beating everyone else, again proving that while Koreans may be occasionally invited to stuff when they're not they just crush everyone anyway, which is not the case at all for foreigners.
tACorruption
Profile Joined August 2010
27 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 17:24:38
July 02 2011 17:19 GMT
#120
On July 03 2011 02:12 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.


First of all: why? My emotional response has absolutely nothing to do with my professionalism, work ethic, or decision making in an official capacity. If Naniwa wants to act like he can do whatever he wants, publicly denounce our league and talk about how he hates playing in it... why should I bother to give him any courtesy? I'll even tell him to his face, and he'd do the same to me.

At the end of the day, I didn't sit there and say "fuck that guy I'm gonna ban him from NASL cuz of what he said," our rules were very clear about our policies.


Hearing things like this makes me very disappointed. Your organization is trying to promote the growth of esports yet you have a representative of the league saying things like this. Do you think the commissioner of the NFL would publicly say things like this? Your emotional response DOES have something to do with your professionalism. This is one of the most unprofessional things I've yet seen with this league. And don't get me wrong, I'm a NASL supporter. Perhaps that's why this is a little upsetting.
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