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Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
July 02 2011 17:20 GMT
#121
There is a whole horde of people on TL who seem to be looking for any excuse to generate drama.

NASL followed the rules. Who cares about anything else? Send Xeris a PM if you don't like his tone.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
July 02 2011 17:21 GMT
#122
On July 03 2011 02:15 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VISAs outside of a ring of countries the USA has "quick" processes with these days can be hard to obtain. However, this is mostly a corruption/bureaucracy issue. Most of the world is, unfortunately, actually like this.

My guess why WhiteRa hasn't had an issue is simply because he got his ages ago during the SC:BW days. BratOK missed a solid 4 or 5 tournaments due to the VISA issues. You don't get through them quickly, unfortunately.


Actually, US Visa is processed very quickly, only around 3-4 days and it is done. However, the interview appointment queue is atrociously long. I was trying to get an interview queue for my mother and I can only get the appointment 3 months later simply because everyone wants to go to the US .
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3720 Posts
July 02 2011 17:21 GMT
#123
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.



this.

sounds like more drama bs mounting up again.
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Feijichang
Profile Joined April 2010
China167 Posts
July 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#124
On July 03 2011 02:17 lunchforthesky wrote:
It was in the rules from the start, stop whining kids.

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:29 The_DjiN wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


Second that. I feel Naniwa deserves the spot alot more than aLive, since he played for nearly 3 months in the NASL and proved in the past that he is a top competitor too. Also I feel that its way too easy for most of the Koreans to get into lucrative tournament spots. Compare that to the qualification process for GSL as a foreigner... Koreans just get invited and can take loads of money home oO


Never seen such an ill-informed post. Foreigners of any note (Huk, Haypro, Ret, Moonglade, Sheth) get seeded into Code A by virtue of not being Korean and avoid the hardest competition in Sc2 (Code B). No foreigner has ever made it through Code B.

Everyone was invited to NASL, whether they were European, Korean or American they were all invited.

In MLG Koreans are invited and avoid the qualifiers just like they do in GSL and given how easilly they destroyed the open bracket (July), and the Championship bracket (MC, MMA, Losira) they've at least proven they were worthy of being seeded. Where as the majority of foreigners in Code A have gone out in the first or second round and even Huk only made it to the Third Round.

Not only that but for NASL Season 2 and the Open Tournament for Season 1 Koreans got in by virtue of beating everyone else, again proving that while Koreans may be occasionally invited to stuff when they're not they just crush everyone anyway, which is not the case at all for foreigners.


Idra, Jinro, Ret, Haypro, Artosis, TLO, Torch all made it through the Code B qualifiers without ever being given an auto-seed. That would be HuK and Sheth only.

Idra and Jinro were seeded Code S by points, and maintained with top 4/8 finishes. The others remade qualifiers once or twice, exception Artosis and Torch.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
July 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#125
Damn, how unfortunate, I always enjoyed watching Strelok in the NASL.
As far as the "Naniwa issue", I agree with NASL, they had made it clear how they would find replacements.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#126
On July 03 2011 02:12 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.


First of all: why? My emotional response has absolutely nothing to do with my professionalism, work ethic, or decision making in an official capacity. If Naniwa wants to act like he can do whatever he wants, publicly denounce our league and talk about how he hates playing in it... why should I bother to give him any courtesy? I'll even tell him to his face, and he'd do the same to me.

At the end of the day, I didn't sit there and say "fuck that guy I'm gonna ban him from NASL cuz of what he said," our rules were very clear about our policies.


Well if you are saying that it wouldn't get in the way of an actual decision then I don't have a problem with it, but I don't see why you would mention it.

Regardless, Naniwa was clearly not a candidate based on the rules, so it's not like it matters. It would be great to get an explanation for why the VISA problems weren't handled initially, especially since it came up as an issue earlier.

And one thing I feel the need to make clear, I am not in this thread to bash or hate on the NASL. I watched many broadcasts and I will watch the finals, and I think many people are in the same situation as me when they simply want to criticize some of the decisions. I guess this is directed more at people who think people come to this thread just to say how much they hate the NASL. I'm sure some do that, but I'm also sure others are simply critiquing the league, especially so things can hopefully go more smoothly next season.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
July 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#127
On July 03 2011 02:19 tACorruption wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:12 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.


I'm not a robot.


If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions.


First of all: why? My emotional response has absolutely nothing to do with my professionalism, work ethic, or decision making in an official capacity. If Naniwa wants to act like he can do whatever he wants, publicly denounce our league and talk about how he hates playing in it... why should I bother to give him any courtesy? I'll even tell him to his face, and he'd do the same to me.

At the end of the day, I didn't sit there and say "fuck that guy I'm gonna ban him from NASL cuz of what he said," our rules were very clear about our policies.


Hearing things like this makes me very disappointed. Your organization is trying to promote the growth of esports yet you have a representative of the league saying things like this. Do you think the commissioner of the NFL would publicly say things like this? You emotional response DOES have something to do with your professionalism. This is one of the most unprofessional things I've yet seen with this league. And don't get me wrong, I'm a NASL supporter. Perhaps that's why this is a little upsetting.


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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
July 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#128
On July 03 2011 02:21 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.



this.

sounds like more drama bs mounting up again.

Rules stated that should anything happen, the runner up of the open tournament, would be as a backup player.

Perhaps it will change in the future. We shall see.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 02 2011 17:25 GMT
#129
On July 03 2011 02:22 Feijichang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:17 lunchforthesky wrote:
It was in the rules from the start, stop whining kids.

On July 03 2011 01:29 The_DjiN wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


Second that. I feel Naniwa deserves the spot alot more than aLive, since he played for nearly 3 months in the NASL and proved in the past that he is a top competitor too. Also I feel that its way too easy for most of the Koreans to get into lucrative tournament spots. Compare that to the qualification process for GSL as a foreigner... Koreans just get invited and can take loads of money home oO


Never seen such an ill-informed post. Foreigners of any note (Huk, Haypro, Ret, Moonglade, Sheth) get seeded into Code A by virtue of not being Korean and avoid the hardest competition in Sc2 (Code B). No foreigner has ever made it through Code B.

Everyone was invited to NASL, whether they were European, Korean or American they were all invited.

In MLG Koreans are invited and avoid the qualifiers just like they do in GSL and given how easilly they destroyed the open bracket (July), and the Championship bracket (MC, MMA, Losira) they've at least proven they were worthy of being seeded. Where as the majority of foreigners in Code A have gone out in the first or second round and even Huk only made it to the Third Round.

Not only that but for NASL Season 2 and the Open Tournament for Season 1 Koreans got in by virtue of beating everyone else, again proving that while Koreans may be occasionally invited to stuff when they're not they just crush everyone anyway, which is not the case at all for foreigners.


Idra, Jinro, Ret, Haypro, Artosis, TLO, Torch all made it through the Code B qualifiers without ever being given an auto-seed. That would be HuK and Sheth only.

Idra and Jinro were seeded Code S by points, and maintained with top 4/8 finishes. The others remade qualifiers once or twice, exception Artosis and Torch.


TLO, Artosis and Idra get in through the qualifiers for the first ever GSL, before Code B/A ever existed. Ret and Haypro I'm fairly certain were seeded for GSL March into Code A as was Huk and Moonglade.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
July 02 2011 17:25 GMT
#130
alive is a really strong player. if he manages to win this then NASL will all have been for nothing :/
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Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
July 02 2011 17:27 GMT
#131
meh...another nasl fail. i ahte to be harsh but this tournament didn't captivate me. mlg did the lan thing well. and ipl did the tournament thing better. this is just way too drawn out. i just dont like it.
i like cheese
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
July 02 2011 17:27 GMT
#132
On July 03 2011 02:25 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:22 Feijichang wrote:
On July 03 2011 02:17 lunchforthesky wrote:
It was in the rules from the start, stop whining kids.

On July 03 2011 01:29 The_DjiN wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


Second that. I feel Naniwa deserves the spot alot more than aLive, since he played for nearly 3 months in the NASL and proved in the past that he is a top competitor too. Also I feel that its way too easy for most of the Koreans to get into lucrative tournament spots. Compare that to the qualification process for GSL as a foreigner... Koreans just get invited and can take loads of money home oO


Never seen such an ill-informed post. Foreigners of any note (Huk, Haypro, Ret, Moonglade, Sheth) get seeded into Code A by virtue of not being Korean and avoid the hardest competition in Sc2 (Code B). No foreigner has ever made it through Code B.

Everyone was invited to NASL, whether they were European, Korean or American they were all invited.

In MLG Koreans are invited and avoid the qualifiers just like they do in GSL and given how easilly they destroyed the open bracket (July), and the Championship bracket (MC, MMA, Losira) they've at least proven they were worthy of being seeded. Where as the majority of foreigners in Code A have gone out in the first or second round and even Huk only made it to the Third Round.

Not only that but for NASL Season 2 and the Open Tournament for Season 1 Koreans got in by virtue of beating everyone else, again proving that while Koreans may be occasionally invited to stuff when they're not they just crush everyone anyway, which is not the case at all for foreigners.


Idra, Jinro, Ret, Haypro, Artosis, TLO, Torch all made it through the Code B qualifiers without ever being given an auto-seed. That would be HuK and Sheth only.

Idra and Jinro were seeded Code S by points, and maintained with top 4/8 finishes. The others remade qualifiers once or twice, exception Artosis and Torch.


TLO, Artosis and Idra get in through the qualifiers for the first ever GSL, before Code B/A ever existed. Ret and Haypro I'm fairly certain were seeded for GSL March into Code A as was Huk and Moonglade.

Also back then the difference in skills between foreigners and koreans were not that big.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 02 2011 17:27 GMT
#133
On July 03 2011 02:07 Domination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.

So let me get this straight. It's only the tournament's job to follow the straight and narrow. However, if a player publically acts like a dick towards the tournament they are just supposed to take it.

If you are going to spout that "professionalism!!!!" mantra at least understand that if you actually want that everyone, including the players, have to act professional otherwise it doesn't look, you know, professional.

Edit: The absurd amount of NASL hatred in the starcraft community is both amusing and depressing at the same time. FOR ESPORTS, right guys?


I never said that it is okay for a player to do it. However, Xeris is representing his organization and should act accordingly.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2011 17:27 GMT
#134
On July 03 2011 02:21 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:15 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VISAs outside of a ring of countries the USA has "quick" processes with these days can be hard to obtain. However, this is mostly a corruption/bureaucracy issue. Most of the world is, unfortunately, actually like this.

My guess why WhiteRa hasn't had an issue is simply because he got his ages ago during the SC:BW days. BratOK missed a solid 4 or 5 tournaments due to the VISA issues. You don't get through them quickly, unfortunately.


Actually, US Visa is processed very quickly, only around 3-4 days and it is done. However, the interview appointment queue is atrociously long. I was trying to get an interview queue for my mother and I can only get the appointment 3 months later simply because everyone wants to go to the US .


This is correct. Strelok's interview was scheduled for the 8th actually, which is when the tournament starts T_T and I'm not even sure that it's a guaranteed thing to get accepted once you have your interview
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Daniri
Profile Joined May 2007
387 Posts
July 02 2011 17:29 GMT
#135
Don't use emoticons, it's not professional.
"you guys are silly lol thats why i hate you people" berserkboar
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
July 02 2011 17:30 GMT
#136
Dont see why ppl has problem with Xeris. Professional football players usually get fined hundred thousands of dollar for badmouthing their team, league or whatever. You are not supposed to be tolerated for your words. NBA,NFL, UEFA, FIFA, wherever. Nani should be thankful he didnt get banned, points deducted or anything
Then again, why should NASL choose Nani if other third place players were better ? (see playoff results)
TW_Covenant
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark104 Posts
July 02 2011 17:30 GMT
#137
Noooooooo .............. ooooooooooo
New to sc2 old AoE player.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 02 2011 17:31 GMT
#138
On July 03 2011 02:29 Daniri wrote:
Don't use emoticons, it's not professional.


emoticons, the newest terror that will kill e-sports.
Thank God and gunrun.
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
July 02 2011 17:31 GMT
#139
Well, no offense to Strelok who is a great player, but to be honest I'd rather watch aLive anyway.
No relation to Monsieur J.
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
July 02 2011 17:32 GMT
#140
Xeris you should change the OP with that rule section. It clears a lot of things up

but your comments towards naniwa was so dumb IMO.
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