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anonymitylol
Canada4477 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote: why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me. That was my thought, too. Why take a player from the open bracket when you SHOULD be taking the next person in line (the person who lost to Strelok, before the VISA problems) Stay classy, NASL. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:44 Stratos_speAr wrote: Read the thread. People have posted multiple times that, since before the season even started, it was stated that the runner up of the open tournament would be the back-up player. Nani has no right to complain. He was asking a question... | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
It had been answered multiple times before Xeris even responded. His question was born out of laziness and bias. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:44 anonymitylol wrote: That was my thought, too. Why take a player from the open bracket when you SHOULD be taking the next person in line (the person who lost to Strelok, before the VISA problems) Stay classy, NASL. On July 03 2011 01:42 Primadog wrote: Sign... People don't even bother to flip back a page. This is because Alive is the NASL Open runner up. It's listed in the NASL Open rules that the runner-up is invited as a back-up player in the grand finals, here. What's at stake The winner of the tournament will receive a $500 travel stipend and a spot at the Grand Finals July 8-10 in Ontario, California. The second place finisher will receive a $500 travel stipend should he/she choose to attend the Grand Finals, and will be listed as a backup player. The Top 8 finishers will qualify for Season 2 of the North American Star League. NaNiwa had two chances for earning a grand finales spot. He did not played his best in the NASL playoffs and missed Top2 spot partially due to an early season w/o, so he had no one to blame for missing out but himself. It's unfortunate that any thread with NASL in the title will inevitably attract the thrones of TL folks whom made it their business to chase every shadow for their latest claim to how NASL has failed (or how it's a pyramid scheme, or how they're amataurish, et al). It's a scary proposition that the same people whom purports to wishing for E-sports to flourish in the west yet actively works to undermine one of the biggest tournament. Stay classy, TL. | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:15 GTR wrote: is there a reason why white-ra manages to enter america and not brat_ok/strelok? D: ... Special tactics? :D sad to see NASL crash and burn like this, seems nothing went right towards the end | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Personally I think this decision is worth some discussion, but for now rules are rules and it's not like they didn't inform people. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:44 anonymitylol wrote: That was my thought, too. Why take a player from the open bracket when you SHOULD be taking the next person in line (the person who lost to Strelok, before the VISA problems) Stay classy, NASL. Xeris already responded read up...and Naniwa isnt even the most deserving player it was Ace who had the best non playoff record. So stop the damn whining just cause it was naniwa that decided to post. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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VillageBC
322 Posts
The rule should be tweaked because it doesn't make sense to reward players coming through the open bracket at the expense of the players who've committed to the entire season. Open bracket shouldn't even exist, IMO. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:46 Jakkerr wrote: It was stated before the open tournament was even played that the runner-up of the Open Tournament would be listed as a backup player for the NASL playoffs. Personally I think this decision is worth some discussion, but for now rules are rules and it's not like they didn't inform people. i actually assumed that this was only applicable if the open tourney winner couldnt make it, which is why i didn't make much of it when it was first announced but if this is the case then i think its an issue that will have to be addressed in the next season | ||
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Rococo
United States331 Posts
But oh well, aLive is a good player as well. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote: why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me. Last I remember, you didn't want anything to do with the NASL. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:08 tsuxiit wrote: That blows. I thought a requirement to entering the tournament was actually having a valid visa? Yes but you have to pay for Visa's so it'd be unfair to expect him to pay a load for his Visa, before he even knew if he could go or not + Is Strelok getting anything? like his place in the next NASL or some money? as it's not his fault he couldn't get the VISA | ||
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Serek
United Kingdom459 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:35 Veldril wrote: The B1/B2 visa for business or travel last 10 years (maximum) for Thai people. Don't know how long it will be for Ukrainian, though, but I think normally a person could at least get a 12 months visa. Sad for Strelok though but it's hard to go and apply for visa without valid reasons. So I guess he had to wait until he was sure that he qualified for the grand final, so the interviewer would not reject him. Congratulation to Alive too. Yes, 10 years is the maximum length for any US tourist/business visa. However the actual length is set by the consular officer who interviews you and he may well decide to give you a visa good for a single trip. To be honest I think NASL should have stuck to their policy of not inviting people without visa, no exceptions. Oh well. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
I find it ridiculous that NightEnd was told he can't get in the league simply because he didn't show proof of a visa, and then a player like Strelok doesn't have one when he knew it was likely he would be playing in the US for quite awhile now. On top of that, replacing him with aLive instead of Naniwa? Why? Please don't tell me that an entire organization would actually get butthurt over a few words, and wouldn't be able to simply act professional and give the spot to a player who committed themselves to the entire season. Seriously... what is this... On July 03 2011 01:56 Tidus Mino wrote: Yes but you have to pay for Visa's so it'd be unfair to expect him to pay a load for his Visa, before he even knew if he could go or not No... it would be unfair for him to play in a NA league without knowing for certain that he could actually travel for the final tournament if he were to take a spot in it and participate. | ||
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Feijichang
China167 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:49 Canucklehead wrote: I rarely agree with xeris but in this case I will. Being bm should have consequences and naniwa did bm the league pretty hard. Everything about this.. just so wrong.. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:44 anonymitylol wrote: That was my thought, too. Why take a player from the open bracket when you SHOULD be taking the next person in line (the person who lost to Strelok, before the VISA problems) Stay classy, NASL. There are rules, rules have been followed. Perhaps next season they will implement some format/rule/changes in general, but right now I am interested to see how another Korean will do in the fray. On July 03 2011 01:49 Canucklehead wrote: I rarely agree with xeris but in this case I will. Being bm should have consequences and naniwa did bm the league pretty hard. I actually disagree with this, all other sports leagues, if you are BM, they punish you based on rules/powers that are generally agreed upon and that people know about (Throwing you out of a baseball game, ejection from a football game, fines etc etc). If the rules were that Naniwa would get the spot, but there were no rules excluding him from taking said spot due to BM, I would expect that he get the spot. However, this point is rather moot in this situation as the rules are that the open winner would get the first backup spot. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:56 Chicane wrote: Another no show... this time in person. I find it ridiculous that NightEnd was told he can't get in the league simply because he didn't show proof of a visa, and then a player like Strelok doesn't have one when he knew it was likely he would be playing in the US for quite awhile now. On top of that, replacing him with aLive instead of Naniwa? Why? Please don't tell me that an entire organization would actually get butthurt over a few words, and wouldn't be able to simply act professional and give the spot to a player who committed themselves to the entire season. Seriously... what is this... Already explained. We didn't not choose Naniwa because of what he said, but because our rules were very clear as to what would happen if a player couldn't come. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On July 03 2011 01:56 Chicane wrote: Another no show... this time in person. I find it ridiculous that NightEnd was told he can't get in the league simply because he didn't show proof of a visa, and then a player like Strelok doesn't have one when he knew it was likely he would be playing in the US for quite awhile now. On top of that, replacing him with aLive instead of Naniwa? Why? Please don't tell me that an entire organization would actually get butthurt over a few words, and wouldn't be able to simply act professional and give the spot to a player who committed themselves to the entire season. Seriously... what is this... No... it would be unfair for him to play in a NA league without knowing for certain that he could actually travel for the final tournament if he were to take a spot in it and participate. I'll repost this as many times as necesary because TeamLiquid seems to be full of members with attention span of a goldfish. This is because Alive is the NASL Open runner up. It's listed in the NASL Open rules that the runner-up is invited as a back-up player in the grand finals, here. What's at stake The winner of the tournament will receive a $500 travel stipend and a spot at the Grand Finals July 8-10 in Ontario, California. The second place finisher will receive a $500 travel stipend should he/she choose to attend the Grand Finals, and will be listed as a backup player. The Top 8 finishers will qualify for Season 2 of the North American Star League. NaNiwa had two chances for earning a grand finales spot. He did not played his best in the NASL playoffs and missed Top2 spot partially due to an early season w/o, so he had no one to blame for missing out but himself. It's unfortunate that any thread with NASL in the title will inevitably attract the thrones of TL folks whom made it their business to chase every shadow for their latest claim to how NASL has failed (or how it's a pyramid scheme, or how they're amataurish, et al). It's a scary proposition that the same people whom purports to wishing for E-sports to flourish in the west yet actively works to undermine one of the biggest tournament. | ||
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