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On July 03 2011 08:33 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 05:39 Hansibot wrote:
Having read the entire thread I still feel like the spot should go to Naniwa.
I know people are saying that NASL are just following the rules, though I've been unable to find them myself. The only thing I could find about the format was from the NASL FAQ "At the end of the season the top two in each season will qualify to be flown to our live-finals."... which won't hold true now, since only 1 person from division 3 will be going...
But anyway's the rules really doesn't carry much weight with me, seing as NASL broke their own rules at the start of the season by inviting Strelok. And having rules which can easily be interpreted to mean 2 very different things, really doesn't do much to promote the league as proffesional.
Making a player from the open bracket the first pick for a Grand final spot, which under normal cuircomstance would be "reserved" to players of regular seasons seems wierd to me.
I think it would be more reasonable to "disquallify" Strelok from the current season, and remove all his games played from the stats, and then invite whoever would be placed second Division 3. Wow you people. If it was done the other way, as in the replacement spot was given to someone from the regular season, it would go to ACE NOT NANIWA. Plus, Naniwa denounced the NASL, and will not be competing next season. Also, once again, Ace would be next in line, not Naniwa. So you still think that Naniwa should get the spot even though Ace did better then him? You did read the whole thread right? That's some bias right there. People sometimes >.> Plus, in your reasoning that if Strelok was removed, and Naniwa would finish second then, if it was another player in his spot (Strelok's) Naniwa would have still lost that match since you know, he didn't bother to show up.
You people? - Mind tellin me what stereotype group your associating me with?
My whole post is about who I think should have the spot (what I think would be fair), not what NASL decided, or what the rules say, as I have zero influence of that. So theres no need to hyperbold Ace.
And yes I read the entire thread, and yes I still think Naniwa should get the spot, even if Ace has a better record in the regular season. When they devided people into devisions it opens up for the chance that it won't be the people with the best stats who gets throgh to the final.
As an example you could have devision A where the top 3 people had scores of 9-0, 8-1 and 7-2, and the best from, devision B with a 6-3 scores. So according to the stats the 3rd place from group A is better then nr. 1 from group B, but still doesn't get qualified.
If you look at the devisions you'll se morrow with 7-2, (7 points), ace with 7-2 (7 points) and Zenio with 7-2 (10 points), and yet none of them got directly qualified, but WhiteRa did with 6-3 (5 points).
That's the reason I think Naniwa should get the spot. - not because he's the best player, or i'm a fanboy or biased. But because the format has been that each division is a seperate entity (in the regular season), and the 2 people with the best stat/most point in a devision gets qualified to the grand finale. So when one of the qualified from a division can't attend (or is disqualified), my logic dictates that the next person in the same division should get the spot.
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clearly i missunderstood how they chose the replacement player, i did not mean to start up any flamewar or anything of the sort. I sincerely wish you good luck in the next season of NASL because it is no easy feat having players from all over the world in one online tournament. i am also sure it will only be better on the admin part as you get more and more experience! good luck!
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And to think, after all that drama with Nightend not getting invited due to Visa problems, and NASL flaunting the fact that Bratok and other players showed proof they could get their visa, we run into this problem. What a shame...
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On July 03 2011 20:18 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 20:11 Tofugrinder wrote:On July 03 2011 19:16 superjoppe wrote:
The third argument of Xeris is just childish. The season had a bunch of problems and it should be perfectly ok to talk about them. talk about them != shitting on nasl either way it doesn't matter, because naniwa hasen't been the first choice because of the rules anyway so because ace doesnt post on teamliquid its ok to have stupid rules?  i just dont see the logical reasoning in having the backup to your pool play players come from the open bracket. the person to replace strelok should surely be the person 3rd in his group, the person directly hurt by a player being in the league who in the end couldnt actually qualify for the finals?
nasl had those rules, if they see that this rule is not good then they'll probably change it next season. For this season it would be unfair to alive otherwise
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On July 03 2011 01:13 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 01:11 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 01:08 tsuxiit wrote:
That blows. I thought a requirement to entering the tournament was actually having a valid visa? As we said at the start of the season, Strelok was the 'risk' player we accepted, because his team Mouz assured us that he could get a VISA on time. Obviously, this is exactly the reason we had this rule, so now all the people complaining why we didn't invite certain players know why >_>! It's obviously very frustrating for us because we put about 30 hours of work preparing material for Strelok and now it's gone to waste, and we might not have time to prepare stuff for aLive. It's really frustrating for Strelok as well because he tried everything he could to get the VISA. Also sucks for DarkForcE for obvious reasons. It just sucks for everyone except aLive, great for him! =D I was one of the detractors for that decision because I didn't expect these problems to persist in 2011 - looks like your cautious approach was right after all, in hindsight. Darkforce will take out Alive, no problem.
You're in for a shock.
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On July 03 2011 01:13 GinDo wrote:
Well. Personally i find it to be Streloks fault. Your participating in International Tournaments, that may very well require you to travel. He should have applied for his Visa ages ago.
IMHO
On July 03 2011 01:13 SimDawg wrote:
Pretty crappy by Mousesports to assure you he could get a visa and then not deliver. I thought these were supposed to be professional businesses?
According to his post, he applied for the visa a day after applying for the NASL, one month before the start of the league. How could he have known that due to regulations of the U.S. it takes 3 months to get a visa?
On July 03 2011 20:21 Naniwa wrote:
clearly i missunderstood how they chose the replacement player, i did not mean to start up any flamewar or anything of the sort. I sincerely wish you good luck in the next season of NASL because it is no easy feat having players from all over the world in one online tournament. i am also sure it will only be better on the admin part as you get more and more experience! good luck!
Haha, sure sucks to be so popular. Before you realize your own mistake and correct it, several dozen people already picked it up, debating about it over several pages. ^^"
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double post, sry. please delete.
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Sucks for DarKFoRcE 
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Shouldn't there be another high ranking player from the groups to advance rather than alive? It seems unfair for players who played all that time not to make it. I would prefer to see Naniwa, Idra or Ace because I spent so much time watching their matches, to have 1/8th of the tournament compete for the finals when they did not participate in the league and I didn't get to see them compete against anyone is very disappoint from a fan's point of view.
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Before more people whine about why Naniwa is the one replacing Strelok the OP should be edited to include the reasons as to why aLive is the one replacing Strelok
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On July 03 2011 20:24 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 20:18 turdburgler wrote:On July 03 2011 20:11 Tofugrinder wrote:On July 03 2011 19:16 superjoppe wrote:
The third argument of Xeris is just childish. The season had a bunch of problems and it should be perfectly ok to talk about them. talk about them != shitting on nasl either way it doesn't matter, because naniwa hasen't been the first choice because of the rules anyway so because ace doesnt post on teamliquid its ok to have stupid rules? i just dont see the logical reasoning in having the backup to your pool play players come from the open bracket. the person to replace strelok should surely be the person 3rd in his group, the person directly hurt by a player being in the league who in the end couldnt actually qualify for the finals? nasl had those rules, if they see that this rule is not good then they'll probably change it next season. For this season it would be unfair to alive otherwise
but if u look at xeris's explanation he cites both the rules and naniwa's apparent BM. it was either in the rules and bringing up naniwa's opinion on the league is an irrelevant personal attack, or nasl is a popularity contest ;/
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horrible for Darkforce. Darkforce has little time to prepare. WhiteRa tried to help Strelok as well, but not in time.
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On July 03 2011 21:02 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 20:24 Tofugrinder wrote:On July 03 2011 20:18 turdburgler wrote:On July 03 2011 20:11 Tofugrinder wrote:On July 03 2011 19:16 superjoppe wrote:
The third argument of Xeris is just childish. The season had a bunch of problems and it should be perfectly ok to talk about them. talk about them != shitting on nasl either way it doesn't matter, because naniwa hasen't been the first choice because of the rules anyway so because ace doesnt post on teamliquid its ok to have stupid rules? i just dont see the logical reasoning in having the backup to your pool play players come from the open bracket. the person to replace strelok should surely be the person 3rd in his group, the person directly hurt by a player being in the league who in the end couldnt actually qualify for the finals? nasl had those rules, if they see that this rule is not good then they'll probably change it next season. For this season it would be unfair to alive otherwise but if u look at xeris's explanation he cites both the rules and naniwa's apparent BM. it was either in the rules and bringing up naniwa's opinion on the league is an irrelevant personal attack, or nasl is a popularity contest ;/
You'd be hardpressed to find any sports league who will not fine/ban a player for badmouthing the league. What Xeris and the NASL did is enforce a rule they had set in place ages ago and further explained that BMing said league isn't going to get you any favors.
I can list examples of of stars from other sports leagues talking trash about the organization and the officials and how they were met with swift punishment. The NASL isn't any different.
I don't see why people want the NASL to enforce the rules AND want them to hand out favors as well.
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On July 03 2011 20:21 Naniwa wrote:
clearly i missunderstood how they chose the replacement player, i did not mean to start up any flamewar or anything of the sort. I sincerely wish you good luck in the next season of NASL because it is no easy feat having players from all over the world in one online tournament. i am also sure it will only be better on the admin part as you get more and more experience! good luck!
It is all cool with us Naniwa. But this whole debacle was unnecessary IMO.
Hope you made up with NASL and see you there in future. Also good luck in GSL and GSTL.
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To be honest.. I don't know why Naniwa would want to waste his time with NASL when he has to think and practise for the GSL and GSTL. Just my opinion though.
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thanks for what? causing troubles?
i still cant understand why NightEnd couldnt play and Strelok could ...
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I wish someone who actually competed in the main tournament got to use Strelok's spot, I know the open tournament must have been tough but Alive just wasn't there for the whole thing.
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strelok was sooooooo good...he really deserves this..lets hope he can succed in season 2 or at MLG etc
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On July 04 2011 05:44 MonkSEA wrote:
To be honest.. I don't know why Naniwa would want to waste his time with NASL when he has to think and practise for the GSL and GSTL. Just my opinion though.
does 100k sound enough reason to you?
It's not like he is the only GSL participant who take their time off to prepare for NASAL. Someone actually wakes up 4 in the morning to play those matches.
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