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On July 03 2011 02:22 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:12 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 02:06 Chicane wrote:On July 03 2011 02:05 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me. 1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it. 2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA. 3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? 4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~ While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments. I'm not a robot. If you are basically saying that you guys do respond emotionally since you are human, the point people are making is that as an organization, you should try to control or overlook those emotions. First of all: why? My emotional response has absolutely nothing to do with my professionalism, work ethic, or decision making in an official capacity. If Naniwa wants to act like he can do whatever he wants, publicly denounce our league and talk about how he hates playing in it... why should I bother to give him any courtesy? I'll even tell him to his face, and he'd do the same to me. At the end of the day, I didn't sit there and say "fuck that guy I'm gonna ban him from NASL cuz of what he said," our rules were very clear about our policies. Well if you are saying that it wouldn't get in the way of an actual decision then I don't have a problem with it, but I don't see why you would mention it. Regardless, Naniwa was clearly not a candidate based on the rules, so it's not like it matters. It would be great to get an explanation for why the VISA problems weren't handled initially, especially since it came up as an issue earlier. And one thing I feel the need to make clear, I am not in this thread to bash or hate on the NASL. I watched many broadcasts and I will watch the finals, and I think many people are in the same situation as me when they simply want to criticize some of the decisions. I guess this is directed more at people who think people come to this thread just to say how much they hate the NASL. I'm sure some do that, but I'm also sure others are simply critiquing the league, especially so things can hopefully go more smoothly next season.
I'm not going to censor myself on the forums. I've been posting here at TL since 2005 and I'm not going to change my personality. TL is the place where I post as a person. When I make an official post as an OP, I behave differently. Maybe I should make a XERIS-OFFICIAL TL account to make all my official posts if it'd make you happy.
I still don't get your post. I've explained 10 times that: White-Ra and BRAT_OK were accepted because they demonstrated ability to go to the US // have a VISA. We made ONE exception to add Strelok because his former team (Mouz) assured us they were working on getting him a VISA and that he would have one for sure by the end of the season. We were in contact with Strelok immediately after his Top 2 position was guaranteed.
We tried everything in our power to get his interview date changed to an earlier time, but we couldn't get it done in the end and he couldn't get a VISA in time.
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Xeris,
you have no blame at all for this situation since it's just the rules of the league what we see here.
But please consider to not make an Open Tournament for the next league, if Alive wins the finals you might aswell not play the first 9 weeks at all. :/
I don't exactly know how to say this, but it takes away some of the magic when players that just played in the open tournament compete versus the players we've seen competing for those spots for 9 weeks.
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Damn, this sucks, though not surprising at all. Former USSR and un-developed countries have a very hard time to obtain a Visa to the US. I still remember WCG in San-Francisco, when most Asian teams got denied for visa.
For some people that told Strelok or NASL to plan ahead, well, you can't. The interview queue is like months. So even if he apply right when NASL starts, I doubt its his turn now.
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Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?
This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization.
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On July 03 2011 02:33 Jakkerr wrote:
Xeris,
you have no blame at all for this situation since it's just the rules of the league what we see here.
But please consider to not make an Open Tournament for the next league, if Alive wins the finals you might aswell not play the first 9 weeks at all. :/
I don't exactly know how to say this, but it takes away some of the magic when players that just played in the open tournament compete versus the players we've seen competing for those spots for 9 weeks.
We'll see how it goes. We might want to change this rule for next season, but we'll see!
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Wow, really sad about this. Strelok's season play was amazing, and his interviews were hilarious too. He's so enthusiastic.
I guess NASL tried everything they could. If I were in Xeris' Position, I probably would not even bother to argue with some people here. Stop telling him how to do his job guys T_T
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Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is?
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On July 03 2011 02:35 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization.
Name me an organization that says "Oh gee willikers, thanks for calling me the scum of the earth! Here, have some money!"
I'm done with this thread. Teamliquid has turned into a bubbling cauldron of hatred lately, so I guess I need to take a break from these forums.
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Unfortunate for Strelok, he was really motivated to perform in NASL.
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On July 03 2011 02:37 mmdmmd wrote:
Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is?
Why on earth would they do that? This is a professional tournament it's not a popularity contest, you don't make rules just to ignore them because some kids on a forum don't like it.
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On July 03 2011 02:37 Domination wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:35 Odoakar wrote:Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization. Name me an organization that says "Oh gee willikers, thanks for calling me the scum of the earth! Here, have some money!" I'm done with this thread. Teamliquid has turned into a bubbling cauldron of hatred lately, so I guess I need to take a break from these forums.
Have you read the GOMTV statement about banning Rain? Proffesional, respectful. You won't see them going 'the Rain is a toolbag, he won't ever be able to play in our league, bla bla...'
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i thought strelok had a real shot at this
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On July 03 2011 02:35 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization.
You're kidding me right?
This is not the reason at all Naniwa didn't get the invite, the only reason is that the NASL has a rule that the runner-up of the open tournament would be a backup player.
In my opinion Xeris has all the right too list that tho, Naniwa said he didn't want anything to do with the NASL anymore, so why he comes here to whine about not getting a spot?
Money > Morals?
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On July 03 2011 02:39 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:37 mmdmmd wrote:
Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is? Why on earth would they do that? This is a professional tournament it's not a popularity contest, you don't make rules just to ignore them because some kids on a forum don't like it.
So public opinion doesn't matter to you at all? Glad that you are not running NASL. It'll be "my way or the high way for you"? Kid.
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The posts in this thread want me to tear my hair out. The fact that the runner up from the Open is the backup player has been posted over and over yet every page there's another bandwagoner who can't read more than two posts without going and posting 'Naniwa was robbed!' The NASL hate is getting old. It's very unfortunate Strelok can't go. I love his interviews. It's clear that NASL worked really hard to get him here. Alive was invited via the rules. Get over it. I'm going to go do some deep breathing. -.-
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On July 03 2011 02:39 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:37 Domination wrote:On July 03 2011 02:35 Odoakar wrote:Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization. Name me an organization that says "Oh gee willikers, thanks for calling me the scum of the earth! Here, have some money!" I'm done with this thread. Teamliquid has turned into a bubbling cauldron of hatred lately, so I guess I need to take a break from these forums. Have you read the GOMTV statement about banning Rain? Proffesional, respectful. You won't see them going 'the Rain is a toolbag, he won't ever be able to play in our league, bla bla...'
I must have missed the part where Rain shit on the GSL. Can you direct me to where Rain called Gomtv a fucking joke? Thanks in advance!
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I guess somewhere in Romania Nightend is breaking something as soon as he hears about that.
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On July 03 2011 02:39 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:37 Domination wrote:On July 03 2011 02:35 Odoakar wrote:Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? This is the reason I don't watch NASL, you're a joke as an organization. Name me an organization that says "Oh gee willikers, thanks for calling me the scum of the earth! Here, have some money!" I'm done with this thread. Teamliquid has turned into a bubbling cauldron of hatred lately, so I guess I need to take a break from these forums. Have you read the GOMTV statement about banning Rain? Proffesional, respectful. You won't see them going 'the Rain is a toolbag, he won't ever be able to play in our league, bla bla...'
You are so wrong here. These 2 situation are not the same. For NASL, the player bad-mouting them, somewhat insulted the league. In any SPORTS, make it football(soccer), basket ball..etc, most athelics or people that involved in the league that insulted or say harsh things about the hosting organization will get a fine or even ban for matches.
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On July 03 2011 01:15 GTR wrote:
is there a reason why white-ra manages to enter america and not brat_ok/strelok? D:
Special taktiks.
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On July 03 2011 01:15 GTR wrote:
is there a reason why white-ra manages to enter america and not brat_ok/strelok? D:
Players like White-Ra and Dimaga have a Visa due to Blizzcon. Iirc Dimaga once mentioned it that he got a 2 year Visa in order to attend a Blizzcon :o
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