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On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:
I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away.
In my experience, most customers that complain will always find something else to complain about regardless of what you do. You'll never satisfy everyone so why bother trying to? Also, we're not talking about business models here. We're talking about a specific decision that was made due to a specific rule that was in place. What does adding a poll about it actually accomplish? If people don't like it, they'll express that opinion without the need for a poll.
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Everyone's talking about Xeris and "professionalism" like there's a set of standards one must uphold to in order to be "professional." While I agree that there are some things that are blatantly unprofessional, most things fall under the category of "who gives a crap?"
All this attacking of Xeris' "professionalism" is a joke. What he said really wasn't that bad: there was no personal attack against Nani, no character assassination, etc. All he said is that Naniwa's sharp criticism/disdain for the NASL has "consequences."
Is this really more "unprofessional" than the norm in today's sports world? Bud Selig trashing Frank McCourt (and rightfully so)...there's always an exchange of words. Who cares?
Probably the biggest example of "unprofessionalism" in sports being largely overplayed is Dana White with the UFC. You can call many of his statements/actions unprofessional, but it has nothing to do with his ability to make MMA and the UFC a success. Similarly, if you want to think what Xeris said was unprofessional, go ahead. Just don't pretend that it really matters or has some sort of major effect on the league or eSports as a whole.
LOL @ the Xeris OFFICIAL btw.
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On July 03 2011 03:00 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:58 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:56 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:50 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 03 2011 02:42 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:39 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:37 mmdmmd wrote:
Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is? Why on earth would they do that? This is a professional tournament it's not a popularity contest, you don't make rules just to ignore them because some kids on a forum don't like it. So public opinion doesn't matter to you at all? Glad that you are not running NASL. It'll be "my way or the high way for you"? Kid. What's the point of writing up rules if you're going to change them in the middle of an event whenever people bitch about them? They had clear guidelines written down beforehand as to what would happen in this scenario and they followed those guidelines. People obviously didn't bitch about it back then, but suddenly now that Naniwa comes out and says something, everyone's all up in NASL's face about it after the fact. There's no need for a poll and having one wouldn't resolve anything as people would still bitch and whine about whatever is decided. Public opinion is fine for some things, but in this case it's just plain pointless. I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away. Please justify how NASL should change their rules at the last minute to allow Naniwa in, how is that fair? Let's work on this "after" we see what the majority want. So basically tournaments should change their rules and structure mid tournament because people don't like it?
If most people don't. Yes.
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Thsi brings me back to one of Strelok's first matches in NASL, against naniwa, where he took a walkover win because Nani's train was delayed (something to that effect). Strelok went on a long rant about how he has standards for proffesionalism and how he hates that Nani couldn't show up, cause he'd love to play him.
I'm not saying Strelok's a hypocrite or anything lol, that would be silly, but I imagine he must be very dissapointed and angry, considering what a competitive guy he is.
GL to aLive in the finals!
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nice, I hate Strelok. But doesn't matter to much I will only watch the Grand Finals.
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On July 03 2011 03:03 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 03:00 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:58 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:56 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:50 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 03 2011 02:42 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:39 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:37 mmdmmd wrote:
Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is? Why on earth would they do that? This is a professional tournament it's not a popularity contest, you don't make rules just to ignore them because some kids on a forum don't like it. So public opinion doesn't matter to you at all? Glad that you are not running NASL. It'll be "my way or the high way for you"? Kid. What's the point of writing up rules if you're going to change them in the middle of an event whenever people bitch about them? They had clear guidelines written down beforehand as to what would happen in this scenario and they followed those guidelines. People obviously didn't bitch about it back then, but suddenly now that Naniwa comes out and says something, everyone's all up in NASL's face about it after the fact. There's no need for a poll and having one wouldn't resolve anything as people would still bitch and whine about whatever is decided. Public opinion is fine for some things, but in this case it's just plain pointless. I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away. Please justify how NASL should change their rules at the last minute to allow Naniwa in, how is that fair? Let's work on this "after" we see what the majority want. So basically tournaments should change their rules and structure mid tournament because people don't like it? If most people don't. Yes.
You're an absolute joke if you're being serious about this. And by "most people" you really just mean people specifically on TL.net that will actually take their time out to vote in a community poll... Your assumption that this would somehow represent the majority of public opinion is dubious at best.
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On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me. 1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it. 2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA. 3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? 4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~ While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.
agreed. think of how many times idra has slandered or bad mouthed various people and admins on TL -- while he may get banned from the forums, just being a douche isn't going to stop TL from letting him play in tournaments, because he's one of the best in the world, as is naniwa
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This is sad news. Strelok really impressed me throughout this season. Consistent play and really a high confidence level. This is really sad. D:
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On July 03 2011 03:03 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:
I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away. In my experience, most customers that complain will always find something else to complain about regardless of what you do. You'll never satisfy everyone so why bother trying to?
I've came to the conclusion that you have NO idea what you are talking about. Let's not argue about business model here. It's not going to get anywhere.
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Really sucks for Strelok, seeing as he did so well in group play, but still I can't wait to see how Alive does, from the games I've seen he seems to have some potential.
And I can't believe all this NASL hate shit. They're following the rules, rules which have been public since the league began. The wording might be somewhat ambiguous, so maybe it should be altered if anything to make it clear that the open tournament runner-up will be back-up for any finalist, not just the open winner.
P.S. - If you're actually going to bitch about any player being more diserving of the spot, you should be asking for ST_Ace.
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Nooo Strelok. 
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On July 03 2011 03:07 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me. 1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it. 2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA. 3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences? 4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~ While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments. agreed. think of how many times idra has slandered or bad mouthed various people and admins on TL -- while he may get banned from the forums, just being a douche isn't going to stop TL from letting him play in tournaments, because he's one of the best in the world, as is naniwa
Well that's not what happened so why cloud the issue by complaining about it?
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Haha I know you bunch are super into 'eSports' and all (me too), but don't you watch real sports as well? Remember recent negative comments from Adrian Peterson about the NFL? He was reprimanded heavily by analysts and NFL representatives for his 'BM'. All of you bitching about this Xeris guy's opinion on Naniwa's trashy attitude are simply out of tune with reality. League officials are not robots, lol. Take a look at actual sports.
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On July 03 2011 03:08 DelRax wrote:
Really sucks for Strelok, seeing as he did so well in group play, but still I can't wait to see how Alive does, from the games I've seen he seems to have some potential.
And I can't believe all this NASL hate shit. They're following the rules, rules which have been public since the league began. The wording might be somewhat ambiguous, so maybe it should be altered if anything to make it clear that the open tournament runner-up will be back-up for any finalist, not just the open winner.
P.S. - If you're actually going to bitch about any player being more diserving of the spot, you should be asking for ST_Ace.
Alive is Code S, he's more than just potential.
On July 03 2011 03:07 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 03:03 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:
I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away. In my experience, most customers that complain will always find something else to complain about regardless of what you do. You'll never satisfy everyone so why bother trying to? I've came to the conclusion that you have NO idea what you are talking about. Let's not argue about business model here. It's not going to get anywhere.
Can't wait for Wimbledon to reinstate Andy Murray when Nadal/Federer knocks him out because it would be more popular for him to be in the final.
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On July 03 2011 03:03 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 03:00 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:58 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:56 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:55 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:50 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 03 2011 02:42 mmdmmd wrote:On July 03 2011 02:39 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 03 2011 02:37 mmdmmd wrote:
Xeris, why don't you just make a poll in the first post to see what the general opinion is? Why on earth would they do that? This is a professional tournament it's not a popularity contest, you don't make rules just to ignore them because some kids on a forum don't like it. So public opinion doesn't matter to you at all? Glad that you are not running NASL. It'll be "my way or the high way for you"? Kid. What's the point of writing up rules if you're going to change them in the middle of an event whenever people bitch about them? They had clear guidelines written down beforehand as to what would happen in this scenario and they followed those guidelines. People obviously didn't bitch about it back then, but suddenly now that Naniwa comes out and says something, everyone's all up in NASL's face about it after the fact. There's no need for a poll and having one wouldn't resolve anything as people would still bitch and whine about whatever is decided. Public opinion is fine for some things, but in this case it's just plain pointless. I don't want to go in to details of the importance of public opinions in any organisation/business model(especially when you are a start up). I have only one thing to say: Most of the customer never complain, they just walk away. Please justify how NASL should change their rules at the last minute to allow Naniwa in, how is that fair? Let's work on this "after" we see what the majority want. So basically tournaments should change their rules and structure mid tournament because people don't like it? If most people don't. Yes.
Horrible idea. Changing/overlooking the rules put in place at the start of a tournament because of "popular opinion" not only delegitimizes the league, but is a direct disservice to the players who agreed to play under specific conditions.
If you want to decide things by popular vote, why waste these guys' time making them play any games at all? Why not just vote to see who plays each other in the finals? Then the "majority" is guaranteed to get what they want, right?
Sounds like a great plan to lose the support of the players, and without their support, there won't be an audience anyway.
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On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.
are you serious? after all your bashing you want to play still?
too much drama...
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if a player questions an offical or referee during the game or after the match, he gets fined or gets some kind of repurcussion.
if a fan walks away from that, he isn't really a fan of sports at all. he/she is a fanboy.
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WARNING: Being a Naniwa fanboy or Xeris anti-fanboy may cause you to nitpick one sentence and completely ignore everything else Xeris has said in this thread that clearly shows that the rules are being followed!
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i ve no clue but getting a visa must take ages O.o so many problems with visa in "pro gaming" kinda sad for the players, especially eastern europeans seem to be crippled by it
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Stuff like this REALLY makes me regret not getting a refund for NASL when I had the chance.
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