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Zirith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada403 Posts
July 02 2011 18:31 GMT
#221
On July 03 2011 01:15 GTR wrote:
is there a reason why white-ra manages to enter america and not brat_ok/strelok? D:


Pretty sure white-ra has gone to the us before.

Ya, unless strelok applied for a visa the day he registered for the nasl, it is entirely his fault. Pretty shitty for all parties(except alive!) but what can ya do :/
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Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
July 02 2011 18:32 GMT
#222
On July 03 2011 03:29 Shirolol wrote:
Wow so much drama in this thread, think lots of you just need to take a step back and chill the fuck out.

I feel sorry for naniwa, but the rules clearly are outlined that the open bracket player would get the spot in this situation so there is no room for argument there.

Oh and Xeris, you really need a lesson in PR if you want everyone to take you and your league seriously. You just CAN'T get emotional and personal when you are representing a professional organisation, that's not just my opinion - that's the way it works.


Agree with everything here. Sucks for Strelok but that's how it is trying to get into the US I guess.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
July 02 2011 18:32 GMT
#223
On July 03 2011 03:30 mmdmmd wrote:
Why is everyone quoting that line with the assumption that Naniwa will win if there is a poll? I am simply suggesting a "listen then decide" approach to this matter.


There's no need to "listen then decide" when you already have written guidelines that describe what action is to be taken when this situation arises. If people don't like it, you'll hear about it and maybe decide to change it next season, but sitting down to listen to what a bunch of random people think in order to decide something you already wrote down a response for is ridiculous.
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:33:49
July 02 2011 18:33 GMT
#224
nvm
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
July 02 2011 18:35 GMT
#225
On July 03 2011 03:30 ErikZerg wrote:
sigh, why do people have to invite koreans instead of the people who actually worked to get to play(Darkforce Naniwa etc.)


Um, Alive worked to get to play by coming in 2nd in the Open Bracket tournament. Naniwa and Darkforce had the opportunity to qualify for the Grand Finals as well by signing up to compete for the Open Bracket spot, but they opted not to.
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Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:37:38
July 02 2011 18:37 GMT
#226
On July 03 2011 03:35 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 03:30 ErikZerg wrote:
sigh, why do people have to invite koreans instead of the people who actually worked to get to play(Darkforce Naniwa etc.)


Um, Alive worked to get to play by coming in 2nd in the Open Bracket tournament. Naniwa and Darkforce had the opportunity to qualify for the Grand Finals as well by signing up to compete for the Open Bracket spot, but they opted not to.


The rules forbade regular season players from participating in the open tournament, from what I understand. They could only play in the Season 2 qualifiers.

Nonetheless the regular season players had their chance to qualify.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
July 02 2011 18:37 GMT
#227
On July 03 2011 01:09 Jakkerr wrote:
I have no idea how this works.
But why is Alive able to get a visa on a shorter notice then Strelok?

Pretty sad for Strelok hope he does well in season 2.


it has to do with the history between US and their countries. S korea and Ukraine are quite different countries.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
July 02 2011 18:43 GMT
#228
On July 03 2011 03:30 ErikZerg wrote:
sigh, why do people have to invite koreans instead of the people who actually worked to get to play(Darkforce Naniwa etc.)


Going by your solution, next in line as stated by Xeris is actually Ace, a Korean.
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
July 02 2011 18:43 GMT
#229
On July 03 2011 02:33 Jakkerr wrote:
Xeris,
you have no blame at all for this situation since it's just the rules of the league what we see here.
But please consider to not make an Open Tournament for the next league, if Alive wins the finals you might aswell not play the first 9 weeks at all. :/
I don't exactly know how to say this, but it takes away some of the magic when players that just played in the open tournament compete versus the players we've seen competing for those spots for 9 weeks.


Agree with this post completely. Perhaps have half invites and half qualify through open tourney? That would add the "merit entrance" that they seem to be trying to achieve.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2011 18:45 GMT
#230
On July 03 2011 03:43 ObliviousNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:33 Jakkerr wrote:
Xeris,
you have no blame at all for this situation since it's just the rules of the league what we see here.
But please consider to not make an Open Tournament for the next league, if Alive wins the finals you might aswell not play the first 9 weeks at all. :/
I don't exactly know how to say this, but it takes away some of the magic when players that just played in the open tournament compete versus the players we've seen competing for those spots for 9 weeks.


Agree with this post completely. Perhaps have half invites and half qualify through open tourney? That would add the "merit entrance" that they seem to be trying to achieve.



This is something we are going to consider .
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 02 2011 18:47 GMT
#231
On July 03 2011 03:07 CTStalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 02:03 Takezou wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:40 Xeris wrote:
On July 03 2011 01:15 Naniwa wrote:
why is he replacing strelok instead of the person who came third in the group? Me.


1) It's been in our rules from the start that the 2nd place of the Open Tournament would have the first backup spot if a player couldn't make it.

2) If aLive had declined the invite, we would have invited the 2nd place finishers in the playoff brackets according to seeding: which would have been: Ace, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi, NaDa, and IdrA.

3) Either way, I would be hesitant to invite you because you've publicly said "thank god I'm done with NASL" and called us a shitty league. Think your actions have no consequences?

4) White-Ra I think as a B1 VISA, he's proven several times he can get to the USA. BRATOK has B1 VISA too (he showed us a scan of it), which is why we accepted him into the league. Strelok was our risk player, and we were assured he could make it here... it just sucks ~_~




While part 1 and 2 make sense. 3 is very unnecessary and unprofessional. You are representing a supposedly professional organization. You could have easily addressed the issue without those comments.

agreed. think of how many times idra has slandered or bad mouthed various people and admins on TL -- while he may get banned from the forums, just being a douche isn't going to stop TL from letting him play in tournaments, because he's one of the best in the world, as is naniwa


This is just so true.
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Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:56:35
July 02 2011 18:54 GMT
#232
Rules are rules. Naniwa had two chances to make playoffs and lost both of them. The rules say that the open bracket player is the back up.

I love how the open bracket is called 'easier' yet all of the foreigners got ran over by Koreans at some point, sorry Thorzain D=. At least the people in the open bracket weren't allowed a series loss until the finals. Next time, "Don't? lolwut?" accept a bypass of the group tournament and just get top 2, I doubt he would have lasted through all the koreans regardless.

Heck, if I was going to invite a group play player, I would invite the one with the best record, seeing as he is obviously the best player as you all try to say for Naniwa. Ace, Morrow and Zenio went 7-2, Nani went 6-3, players are responsible for their walkover losses. Ace lost his 2nd chance too, but a loss is a loss. Nobody is bigger than the rules! GL next year, your group will be much harder with a few more koreans and a few less under performing foreigners.

GL in code A next season, if you lose set 1, you are out of the league. If you don't show up to your match you get a 2 season ban from the tournament like Rain.
aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
July 02 2011 18:58 GMT
#233
VISA always destroys tournaments i hate this so much....gz to alive but poor srelok he deserved it so much
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doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
July 02 2011 19:00 GMT
#234
It's quite funny how naniwa was bashing nasl and is probably gonna leave nasl for sure, but now he is asking for a spot in the finals... How disrespectful
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
July 02 2011 19:01 GMT
#235
No Strelok, that really sucks
Hope aLive does well. I guess TSL could use some exposure for their remaining players right about now. I almost wish there was some kind of DH Coin Toss style tourney where Strelok played aLive in a bo5 for his visa, I want to see him play so bad. But I guess he'll make it t to an American lan eventually.
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Yourhighness
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom25 Posts
July 02 2011 19:05 GMT
#236
Noooo was really rooting for Strelok to win it as well . Such a shame, but really great the lengths everyone went to to try and help him get the Visa .
gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 19:19:24
July 02 2011 19:08 GMT
#237
most of the idiots in this thread need to learn how to fucking read

first of all it was stated in the rules no need to bash xe like seriously come on

and naniwa for crying why he wasn't picked well the rules were already set before he said anything
did anyone even read the op? lol or just nani's reply

edit: don't even know why nani is crying about it since he dislikes the nasl so much lol just saying
edit2: as for nani crying i can understand why since you would think that they would chose the 3rd in the bracket, he should know the rules regardless

what i dont understand is him bashing the nasl than crying about not being chosen
if he never bashed nasl than i would be in his favor because let's be honest 3rd place seems very practical here if the 2nd place drops out, but regardless rules were made way before this anyways to all the people complaining

and it's ridiculous for nani to cry about riduculing nasl like that lol just my 2cents

User was temp banned for this post.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
July 02 2011 19:19 GMT
#238
On July 03 2011 01:15 GTR wrote:
is there a reason why white-ra manages to enter america and not brat_ok/strelok? D:


white-ra actually moves the universe around him so he appears in other countries.
Or maybe he just jump into the sea and swim across.

Age and travel history may have something to do with Visa issues. White-ra may also be a lot more experienced with foreign tournaments and prepared wayyyy ahead of time.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
July 02 2011 19:20 GMT
#239
On July 03 2011 03:54 Skarmory wrote:
Rules are rules. Naniwa had two chances to make playoffs and lost both of them. The rules say that the open bracket player is the back up.

I love how the open bracket is called 'easier' yet all of the foreigners got ran over by Koreans at some point, sorry Thorzain D=. At least the people in the open bracket weren't allowed a series loss until the finals. Next time, "Don't? lolwut?" accept a bypass of the group tournament and just get top 2, I doubt he would have lasted through all the koreans regardless.

Heck, if I was going to invite a group play player, I would invite the one with the best record, seeing as he is obviously the best player as you all try to say for Naniwa. Ace, Morrow and Zenio went 7-2, Nani went 6-3, players are responsible for their walkover losses. Ace lost his 2nd chance too, but a loss is a loss. Nobody is bigger than the rules! GL next year, your group will be much harder with a few more koreans and a few less under performing foreigners.

GL in code A next season, if you lose set 1, you are out of the league. If you don't show up to your match you get a 2 season ban from the tournament like Rain.


Thank God you're not picking the invites then.
Personally I do think it's weird concidering how long of a tournament it is, and then they just shove it all away in favour of someone who strolled through the open bracket.
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 02 2011 19:21 GMT
#240
On July 03 2011 04:08 gosu86 wrote:
most of the idiots in this thread need to learn how to fucking read

first of all it was stated in the rules no need to bash xe like seriously come on

and naniwa for crying why he wasn't picked well the rules were already set before he said anything
did anyone even read the op? lol or just nani's reply

edit: don't even know why nani is crying about it since he dislikes the nasl so much lol just saying

and you better rethink your attitude. I didnt see anyone insulting you and therefore you dont need to insult other netizens like you did in your first sentence.
keep it deep! @zulison
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