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1. The show isn't supposed to be professional. If tuning into something randomly and finding it's not for you is a issue for yourself, research the show before tuning in.
2. People are entitled to a right to have fun. Even Sundance gets drunk and posts stuff or such. They are not doing it on family broadcasting or such. You should be aware what you are getting into when you tune in.
3. It it their show. They can do what they want with it. Who are you to tell them how to run their own show?
4. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Are you watching it specifically to complain about it? Why else would you be watching it?
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Seriously, what do you people that object to this LiveOnThree have going on in your lives that you object so vehemently to this episode? Don't worship this like a religion.. enjoy it.. and stop whining like little girls because people said naughty words or offending your delicate sensibilities at 1 in the morning. Get off your high horse and enjoy it or just shut the hell up. No where was an invitation sent to all sensitive people to enjoy this highly refined post GSL finals show.
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On October 22 2011 16:53 enzymezero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 16:50 yawnoC wrote:On October 22 2011 16:47 enzymezero wrote:
I don't understand. We aren't allowed to criticize the members of our community for obviously bad behavior?
By some people's logic in this thread that it'd be okay for any caster to get drunk and to start dropping f-bombs everywhere and yell profanity. Okay, so we can hold wheat and company on a lesser standard because....why? I think they should be accountable just like everyone else. By that logic no one would be able to have fun -EVER- and just mess around since you should always be held to a high standard. Stop crying. On October 22 2011 16:50 Go1den wrote:On October 22 2011 16:47 enzymezero wrote:I don't understand. We aren't allowed to criticize the members of our community for obviously bad behavior?
By some people's logic in this thread that it'd be okay for any caster to get drunk and to start dropping f-bombs everywhere and yell profanity. Okay, so we can hold wheat and company on a lesser standard because....why? I think they should be accountable just like everyone else. Agreed 100%. These are supposedly the leaders of our community, and if that is the case then I am very disappointed. It sickens me to think that these people have followers who blindly endorse their bad behavior and fail to see the negative light being shined on our community as a result. I endorse them being allowed to have a good time. Sue Me. You miss the point. It's okay when you go to a bar with a couple friends and do it. When you go and you are being streamed to so many people in a community, it becomes different.
Why does it matter? They don't owe anything to you or the community and it's not hurting ESPORTS or damaging their image. There were people from their sponsors there drinking and having fun with them, so why is it a big deal? Just say you didn't like it and you won't watch next time. That's a personal preference, and it's fine. It doesn't need to be a big drama about them being community representatives.
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@taLbuk
I generally enjoy the show. I guess a little part of me is horrified at the behavior displayed tonight and what it could reflect on e-sports.
I guess I will be taking a break from the show for a while, if that will ease your pain and/or make you sleep better at night.
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"it's not... damaging their image"
No. Not at all. o_O
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On October 22 2011 16:56 Go1den wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 16:51 Scribble wrote:On October 22 2011 16:39 Go1den wrote:
I think this show is really unprofessional and highlights the community at its worst. I went from watching the GSL finals, one of the proudest moments in eSports to date, with a large appreciative crowd and a grateful set of casters and players, to a collection of drunk men dropping f-bombs in their stupors. It's pretty shameful, especially when djWheat spends an enormous amount of time arguing that he isn't "ruining" eSports, to see his involvement in such a disgusting excuse of a show. Slasher has never in my opinion had anything worth listening to, and he just continues to escape on the "I'm drunk and talking the loudest, so I must be right and everyone just hates me" train.
At a time when SC2 is on the verge of becoming a widely broadcast, and potentially even televised event, it is just tremendously upsetting to see these sad demonstrations of behavior are leading the way. You're all grown men on Live on Three, maybe it's time you start acting like it. Speaking of highlighting the community at its worst... You tuned into a 3am (12 pst) broadcast from a bar where 2 men were getting their heads shaved over a bet. Sorry they didn't deliver on maturity that nobody ever guaranteed to you. If the success of e-sports hinges upon these 3 men at this specific moment in time, then so be it. If the cost of e-sports succeeding is not being able to enjoy oneself, then I'm happy to see it 'fail.' For somebody so apparently on the straight-and-narrow, somebody so mature, you certainly don't seem to understand that whether we're pillars of the community or simple fans, we're all people, and we all like to have a good time. Nobody who isn't a caring and passionate wants to see e-sports succeed. So instead of being a jerkoff because they loosen up and have fun on an atypical friday BARCRAFT show, try to recognize that they are as human as you and I, and that Slasher being loud and drunk won't bring the institution of e-sports crashing down around us. If you can't enjoy it, fine. Don't tune in. You can bastardize them for ruining e-sports when you've done half as much for half as long as the folks on that stage. So you're basically agreeing that they are behaving poorly, but you're fine with that because their past "deeds" permit them to behave like immature frat boys on a stream that has bigger implications outside of 3 people being drunk at a bar? Also, please don't call me a jerkoff for having basic moral standards.
I don't quite understand your point of view. Answer this question honestly. Do you think that the people who are saying "it is fine" would also be saying "it is fine" if they were to be swearing and getting drunk during a live MLG stream (let's say that MLG were the ones who decided to allow it). Do you really think that they would then also say it is fine? The answer is undoubtedly no. The point is, this was just a bar party that was being streamed for people who may be interested.
You have to separate the two. No one ever looks at how a sports player parties, and judges the entire sport based on those kind of actions. It is the same case here. Hell, we may as well go scrutinize the actions of every live streamer if it doesn't closely follow the rules of professionalism to maintain a good image (by your logic).
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On October 22 2011 16:58 enzymezero wrote:
I generally enjoy the show. I guess a little part of me is horrified at the behavior displayed tonight and what it could reflect on e-sports.
This quote is exactly what I talked about in my post on the last page. It seems like people are so concerned about protecting the growth of esports, and being completely blind to the fact that outsiders can distinguish some guys getting drunk for fun on their own time, from a professional event. If you don't like it, that is completely fine, but saying it will reflect negatively on esports is just ridiculous. In some ways it can be argued that it will help by offering a different, not so common perspective.
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On October 22 2011 17:02 yawnoC wrote:
/cowering in fear I seriously hope this show doesn't end up hurting eSports future
....sigh -.-
Yup, this pretty much sums up what I was trying to say.  Thanks.
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On October 22 2011 16:58 enzymezero wrote:
@taLbuk
I generally enjoy the show. I guess a little part of me is horrified at the behavior displayed tonight and what it could reflect on e-sports.
I guess I will be taking a break from the show for a while, if that will ease your pain and/or make you sleep better at night.
i definitely see where you are coming from, i just have a hard time understanding why people dont click the "x" button when they don't like what they arn't forced to view, and find it rediculous that people think this is hurting esports at all, especially while questioning the intent of three extremely hard working individuals dedicated to eSports
okay i'm posting way to much, i need to move on, sorry if i said anything stupid, gl
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/cowering in fear I seriously hope this show doesn't end up hurting eSports future
....sigh -.-
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On October 22 2011 16:56 Go1den wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 16:51 Scribble wrote:On October 22 2011 16:39 Go1den wrote:
I think this show is really unprofessional and highlights the community at its worst. I went from watching the GSL finals, one of the proudest moments in eSports to date, with a large appreciative crowd and a grateful set of casters and players, to a collection of drunk men dropping f-bombs in their stupors. It's pretty shameful, especially when djWheat spends an enormous amount of time arguing that he isn't "ruining" eSports, to see his involvement in such a disgusting excuse of a show. Slasher has never in my opinion had anything worth listening to, and he just continues to escape on the "I'm drunk and talking the loudest, so I must be right and everyone just hates me" train.
At a time when SC2 is on the verge of becoming a widely broadcast, and potentially even televised event, it is just tremendously upsetting to see these sad demonstrations of behavior are leading the way. You're all grown men on Live on Three, maybe it's time you start acting like it. Speaking of highlighting the community at its worst... You tuned into a 3am (12 pst) broadcast from a bar where 2 men were getting their heads shaved over a bet. Sorry they didn't deliver on maturity that nobody ever guaranteed to you. If the success of e-sports hinges upon these 3 men at this specific moment in time, then so be it. If the cost of e-sports succeeding is not being able to enjoy oneself, then I'm happy to see it 'fail.' For somebody so apparently on the straight-and-narrow, somebody so mature, you certainly don't seem to understand that whether we're pillars of the community or simple fans, we're all people, and we all like to have a good time. Nobody who isn't a caring and passionate wants to see e-sports succeed. So instead of being a jerkoff because they loosen up and have fun on an atypical friday BARCRAFT show, try to recognize that they are as human as you and I, and that Slasher being loud and drunk won't bring the institution of e-sports crashing down around us. If you can't enjoy it, fine. Don't tune in. You can bastardize them for ruining e-sports when you've done half as much for half as long as the folks on that stage. So you're basically agreeing that they are behaving poorly, but you're fine with that because their past "deeds" permit them to behave like immature frat boys on a stream that has bigger implications outside of 3 people being drunk at a bar? Also, please don't call me a jerkoff for having basic moral standards.
I'm saying they don't need to be excused, because last I checked being drunk in front of a camera is at worst obnoxious, and there is an easy remedy for that: turning the stream off. You are very clearly failing to understand that they are people. People tend to like feelings like joy and happiness. People tend to be loud and obnoxious when they're having a good time. Is that a crime? No.
I'm not calling you a jerkoff because you have "basic moral standards." I'm calling you a jerkoff because you think "basic moral standards" means not being allowed to get caught having a good time, and you're acting like a pretentious douche.
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Lmao at the guys sayong this is damaging esports. Do you realize thhat sports figures are idolized while they have killed people, get convicted on serious drug chargers, charge into the stands and punch fans, cheat on their wives, have tons of illegitamate children and more?
Yet they are heroes of millions of people. I don't think some guys at a bar, being drunk and obnoxious is harming anything.
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On October 22 2011 17:05 jmbthirteen wrote:
Lmao at the guys sayong this is damaging esports. Do you realize thhat sports figures are idolized while they have killed people, get convicted on serious drug chargers, charge into the stands and punch fans, cheat on their wives, have tons of illegitamate children and more?
Yet they are heroes of millions of people. I don't think some guys at a bar, being drunk and obnoxious is harming anything.
lol.. seriously.. I wonder what freaking high horse people are commenting from that they keep posting such crap. I really hope this does not deter the great contributors from having fun after any other huge tournament while allowing us to watch..
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ESPORTS will never survive such a scandalous display of immaturity and drunken belligerence....
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No but seriously, glad I caught the last few minutes of that. Slasher was pretty annoying but he still cracked me up. If you don't like it don't watch it.
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On October 22 2011 17:00 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 16:56 Go1den wrote:On October 22 2011 16:51 Scribble wrote:On October 22 2011 16:39 Go1den wrote:
I think this show is really unprofessional and highlights the community at its worst. I went from watching the GSL finals, one of the proudest moments in eSports to date, with a large appreciative crowd and a grateful set of casters and players, to a collection of drunk men dropping f-bombs in their stupors. It's pretty shameful, especially when djWheat spends an enormous amount of time arguing that he isn't "ruining" eSports, to see his involvement in such a disgusting excuse of a show. Slasher has never in my opinion had anything worth listening to, and he just continues to escape on the "I'm drunk and talking the loudest, so I must be right and everyone just hates me" train.
At a time when SC2 is on the verge of becoming a widely broadcast, and potentially even televised event, it is just tremendously upsetting to see these sad demonstrations of behavior are leading the way. You're all grown men on Live on Three, maybe it's time you start acting like it. Speaking of highlighting the community at its worst... You tuned into a 3am (12 pst) broadcast from a bar where 2 men were getting their heads shaved over a bet. Sorry they didn't deliver on maturity that nobody ever guaranteed to you. If the success of e-sports hinges upon these 3 men at this specific moment in time, then so be it. If the cost of e-sports succeeding is not being able to enjoy oneself, then I'm happy to see it 'fail.' For somebody so apparently on the straight-and-narrow, somebody so mature, you certainly don't seem to understand that whether we're pillars of the community or simple fans, we're all people, and we all like to have a good time. Nobody who isn't a caring and passionate wants to see e-sports succeed. So instead of being a jerkoff because they loosen up and have fun on an atypical friday BARCRAFT show, try to recognize that they are as human as you and I, and that Slasher being loud and drunk won't bring the institution of e-sports crashing down around us. If you can't enjoy it, fine. Don't tune in. You can bastardize them for ruining e-sports when you've done half as much for half as long as the folks on that stage. So you're basically agreeing that they are behaving poorly, but you're fine with that because their past "deeds" permit them to behave like immature frat boys on a stream that has bigger implications outside of 3 people being drunk at a bar? Also, please don't call me a jerkoff for having basic moral standards. I don't quite understand your point of view. Answer this question honestly. Do you think that the people who are saying "it is fine" would also be saying "it is fine" if they were to be swearing and getting drunk during a live MLG stream (let's say that MLG were the ones who decided to allow it). Do you really think that they would then also say it is fine? The answer is undoubtedly no. The point is, this was just a bar party that was being streamed for people who may be interested. You have to separate the two. No one ever looks at how a sports player parties, and judges the entire sport based on those kind of actions. It is the same case here. Hell, we may as well go scrutinize the actions of every live streamer if it doesn't closely follow the rules of professionalism to maintain a good image (by your logic).
But not every live streamer is a community figurehead. djWheat goes out of his way to argue that he is an important contributor to the community, and it's clear that he has that role. All I'm saying is that when you put yourself in that position, you are subject to some basic conduct expectations. It's not the use of bad language that bothers me, or the drinking - it's that they felt that this drunk panel of "community leaders" deserved to be streamed at a time when they were acting beyond unprofessional (and they wonder why so many people tell them they are ruining eSports...).
As for your other comment, when Tiger Woods cheated on his wife, did that damage golf? Hell yes it did. You can't have iconic figures in your sport casting a bad image of themselves into the public eye and expecting them to take you seriously. If Starcraft is going to expand, it needs leaders who are positive role models. That is all.
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Canada11278 Posts
Psh, who really cares about professionalism. All I know is DJ Wheat is right- Slasher is a bit of a 12 year old when he's drunk. Wheat and the other guy holding it down, but some people are a little douchey when inebriated.
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On October 22 2011 17:08 Go1den wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 17:00 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2011 16:56 Go1den wrote:On October 22 2011 16:51 Scribble wrote:On October 22 2011 16:39 Go1den wrote:
I think this show is really unprofessional and highlights the community at its worst. I went from watching the GSL finals, one of the proudest moments in eSports to date, with a large appreciative crowd and a grateful set of casters and players, to a collection of drunk men dropping f-bombs in their stupors. It's pretty shameful, especially when djWheat spends an enormous amount of time arguing that he isn't "ruining" eSports, to see his involvement in such a disgusting excuse of a show. Slasher has never in my opinion had anything worth listening to, and he just continues to escape on the "I'm drunk and talking the loudest, so I must be right and everyone just hates me" train.
At a time when SC2 is on the verge of becoming a widely broadcast, and potentially even televised event, it is just tremendously upsetting to see these sad demonstrations of behavior are leading the way. You're all grown men on Live on Three, maybe it's time you start acting like it. Speaking of highlighting the community at its worst... You tuned into a 3am (12 pst) broadcast from a bar where 2 men were getting their heads shaved over a bet. Sorry they didn't deliver on maturity that nobody ever guaranteed to you. If the success of e-sports hinges upon these 3 men at this specific moment in time, then so be it. If the cost of e-sports succeeding is not being able to enjoy oneself, then I'm happy to see it 'fail.' For somebody so apparently on the straight-and-narrow, somebody so mature, you certainly don't seem to understand that whether we're pillars of the community or simple fans, we're all people, and we all like to have a good time. Nobody who isn't a caring and passionate wants to see e-sports succeed. So instead of being a jerkoff because they loosen up and have fun on an atypical friday BARCRAFT show, try to recognize that they are as human as you and I, and that Slasher being loud and drunk won't bring the institution of e-sports crashing down around us. If you can't enjoy it, fine. Don't tune in. You can bastardize them for ruining e-sports when you've done half as much for half as long as the folks on that stage. So you're basically agreeing that they are behaving poorly, but you're fine with that because their past "deeds" permit them to behave like immature frat boys on a stream that has bigger implications outside of 3 people being drunk at a bar? Also, please don't call me a jerkoff for having basic moral standards. I don't quite understand your point of view. Answer this question honestly. Do you think that the people who are saying "it is fine" would also be saying "it is fine" if they were to be swearing and getting drunk during a live MLG stream (let's say that MLG were the ones who decided to allow it). Do you really think that they would then also say it is fine? The answer is undoubtedly no. The point is, this was just a bar party that was being streamed for people who may be interested. You have to separate the two. No one ever looks at how a sports player parties, and judges the entire sport based on those kind of actions. It is the same case here. Hell, we may as well go scrutinize the actions of every live streamer if it doesn't closely follow the rules of professionalism to maintain a good image (by your logic). But not every live streamer is a community figurehead. djWheat goes out of his way to argue that he is an important contributor to the community, and it's clear that he has that role. All I'm saying is that when you put yourself in that position, you are subject to some basic conduct expectations. It's not the use of bad language that bothers me, or the drinking - it's that they felt that this drunk panel of "community leaders" deserved to be streamed at a time when they were acting beyond unprofessional (and they wonder why so many people tell them they are ruining eSports...). As for your other comment, when Tiger Woods cheated on his wife, did that damage golf? Hell yes it did. You can't have iconic figures in your sport casting a bad image of themselves into the public eye and expecting them to take you seriously. If Starcraft is going to expand, it needs leaders who are positive role models. That is all.
Go to sleep, Mr. Golden. You are making yourself look like the biggest idiotic douche possible. As much as you might think Slasher made an ass out of himself, you are doing that 100x while being SOBER. Walk away... walk away.
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It's absurd that people can come into this thread, with no prior knowledge of how hard these guys have worked over the years to promote the growth of e-sports, be it Quake, 1.6, Starcraft, etc., and act as if this night will be their entire legacy, and that this night is the night they tried to ruin e-sports.
Some of you folks have a very twisted idea of morality, and a completely warped grasp on the idea of maturity.
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I don't want to get into any esports conversations because I don't care who or what is or isn't killing esports, but it was unfunny, underwhelming, and not worth my time watching. I expected some sort of light-hearted SOTG type thing with a couple of guys losing their hair halfway through, instead i get them jumping around yelling fuck a lot. Are these guys thirteen? While I appreciate the fact that they're at a barcraft, they're pissed out of their skulls, they're having fun, I don't see how this makes interesting viewing for a sober person sitting at home.
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On October 22 2011 17:08 Go1den wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 17:00 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2011 16:56 Go1den wrote:On October 22 2011 16:51 Scribble wrote:On October 22 2011 16:39 Go1den wrote:
I think this show is really unprofessional and highlights the community at its worst. I went from watching the GSL finals, one of the proudest moments in eSports to date, with a large appreciative crowd and a grateful set of casters and players, to a collection of drunk men dropping f-bombs in their stupors. It's pretty shameful, especially when djWheat spends an enormous amount of time arguing that he isn't "ruining" eSports, to see his involvement in such a disgusting excuse of a show. Slasher has never in my opinion had anything worth listening to, and he just continues to escape on the "I'm drunk and talking the loudest, so I must be right and everyone just hates me" train.
At a time when SC2 is on the verge of becoming a widely broadcast, and potentially even televised event, it is just tremendously upsetting to see these sad demonstrations of behavior are leading the way. You're all grown men on Live on Three, maybe it's time you start acting like it. Speaking of highlighting the community at its worst... You tuned into a 3am (12 pst) broadcast from a bar where 2 men were getting their heads shaved over a bet. Sorry they didn't deliver on maturity that nobody ever guaranteed to you. If the success of e-sports hinges upon these 3 men at this specific moment in time, then so be it. If the cost of e-sports succeeding is not being able to enjoy oneself, then I'm happy to see it 'fail.' For somebody so apparently on the straight-and-narrow, somebody so mature, you certainly don't seem to understand that whether we're pillars of the community or simple fans, we're all people, and we all like to have a good time. Nobody who isn't a caring and passionate wants to see e-sports succeed. So instead of being a jerkoff because they loosen up and have fun on an atypical friday BARCRAFT show, try to recognize that they are as human as you and I, and that Slasher being loud and drunk won't bring the institution of e-sports crashing down around us. If you can't enjoy it, fine. Don't tune in. You can bastardize them for ruining e-sports when you've done half as much for half as long as the folks on that stage. So you're basically agreeing that they are behaving poorly, but you're fine with that because their past "deeds" permit them to behave like immature frat boys on a stream that has bigger implications outside of 3 people being drunk at a bar? Also, please don't call me a jerkoff for having basic moral standards. I don't quite understand your point of view. Answer this question honestly. Do you think that the people who are saying "it is fine" would also be saying "it is fine" if they were to be swearing and getting drunk during a live MLG stream (let's say that MLG were the ones who decided to allow it). Do you really think that they would then also say it is fine? The answer is undoubtedly no. The point is, this was just a bar party that was being streamed for people who may be interested. You have to separate the two. No one ever looks at how a sports player parties, and judges the entire sport based on those kind of actions. It is the same case here. Hell, we may as well go scrutinize the actions of every live streamer if it doesn't closely follow the rules of professionalism to maintain a good image (by your logic). But not every live streamer is a community figurehead. djWheat goes out of his way to argue that he is an important contributor to the community, and it's clear that he has that role. All I'm saying is that when you put yourself in that position, you are subject to some basic conduct expectations. It's not the use of bad language that bothers me, or the drinking - it's that they felt that this drunk panel of "community leaders" deserved to be streamed at a time when they were acting beyond unprofessional (and they wonder why so many people tell them they are ruining eSports...). As for your other comment, when Tiger Woods cheated on his wife, did that damage golf? Hell yes it did. You can't have iconic figures in your sport casting a bad image of themselves into the public eye and expecting them to take you seriously. If Starcraft is going to expand, it needs leaders who are positive role models. That is all.
You mean this panel that was set up soley to stream slasher getting his head shaved at a bar. You need to learn what goes on at bars.
And no, golfs image didn't get hurt by tiger woods personal actions, tiger woods image got hurt.
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On October 22 2011 17:09 bbm wrote:
I don't want to get into any esports conversations because I don't care who or what is or isn't killing esports, but it was unfunny, underwhelming, and not worth my time watching. I expected some sort of light-hearted SOTG type thing with a couple of guys losing their hair halfway through, instead i get them jumping around yelling fuck a lot. Are these guys thirteen? While I appreciate the fact that they're at a barcraft, they're pissed out of their skulls, they're having fun, I don't see how this makes interesting viewing for a sober person sitting at home.
If you're going to sit there at your own home sober... don't watch something called BARCRAFT. Look, a lot of us had a few drinks while watching the GSL finals... enjoyed the hell out of it. Then we watched the drunken antics of the post GSL barcraft show. This isn't real life where we cater to idiots and people earn tons of money for coffee being hot at McDonalds. Grow up, folks.
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On October 22 2011 16:59 Go1den wrote:
"it's not... damaging their image"
No. Not at all. o_O
You had a false image
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