On July 21 2011 07:52 dacthehork wrote: It's gonna be sad when they've dismissed dota for the last 5 years, then dota 2 comes out and they try hard to ride the popularity wave. Can't wait for the episode after gamescom when they try to hop aboard.
I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)
I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.
I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.
I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.
I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.
I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.
You sir are a fucking hypocrite, dumbass, or a combination of the both. Starcraft: Broodwar has made 'ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title'. There is only two major leagues that run in Korea OSL/MSL.
Yet you say DotA has made no advancement? DotA has professional gaming leagues in China, there is a TV channel dedicated to DotA/WCIII, which there isn't even for CS, Quake or SC2. Yet you say DotA can't be a legitimate eSport?
Have you ever been on Garena? There are still thousands of players playing DotA everyday all over the world - has there been a billboard song about Starcraft? No. How about DotA? Sure has.
The prize pool in DotA for this tournament exceeds 1.6million dollars. That's more than the prize pool for every single GSL to date added up together. Over 9 seasons of GSL could not account for the DotA 2 prize pool.
Judging by the replies to your comments and my own included, it's pretty obvious to say in the least you're wrong.
I hope you are just ignorant of the enormous DotA community instead of the alternative - just a plain dum ass fuck.
A) He said SC2 not SCBW. B) Your saying BW doesn't count because it's only in Korea then only talk about the Chinese DotA scene, has it taken off anywhere else? (Serious question, I never really followed it) C) Thousands of players daily world wide isn't that huge of a following, I mean LoL gets 1.4 million daily. D) I'm unimpressed by the size of the prize pool, valve dropping $1.6 million in prize support for a single tournament tells me they have a lot of money, not that DotA 2 will make it as an e-sport, while it's a bigger prize pool then the nine seasons of GSL combined the fact that there has been 9 seasons so far says a lot more about the strength of the scene then a single large tournament. Time will tell if DotA2 can stand on its own.
Dota is huge in asia.. It still is huge in asia... And from what I have seen dota2 is going to be equally as huge if not more as huge.
It probably was smallest in the US I dno why.. But dota is a big deal. HoN and LoL were built because of Dota.... Theres an enormous market for it.
I can't justify putting up the prize money that valve are. And it is a form of marketing. But its good marketing, and will no doubt steal players from other markets to boost the dota presence.
My only concern, which is the same for alot of the games you love Mr Wheat. Is that dota is not very good for spectators who dont play the game. I hope dota2 has improved on that.
On July 21 2011 07:52 dacthehork wrote: It's gonna be sad when they've dismissed dota for the last 5 years, then dota 2 comes out and they try hard to ride the popularity wave. Can't wait for the episode after gamescom when they try to hop aboard.
I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)
I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.
I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.
I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.
I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.
I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.
You sir are a fucking hypocrite, dumbass, or a combination of the both. Starcraft: Broodwar has made 'ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title'. There is only two major leagues that run in Korea OSL/MSL.
Yet you say DotA has made no advancement? DotA has professional gaming leagues in China, there is a TV channel dedicated to DotA/WCIII, which there isn't even for CS, Quake or SC2. Yet you say DotA can't be a legitimate eSport?
Have you ever been on Garena? There are still thousands of players playing DotA everyday all over the world - has there been a billboard song about Starcraft? No. How about DotA? Sure has.
The prize pool in DotA for this tournament exceeds 1.6million dollars. That's more than the prize pool for every single GSL to date added up together. Over 9 seasons of GSL could not account for the DotA 2 prize pool.
Judging by the replies to your comments and my own included, it's pretty obvious to say in the least you're wrong.
I hope you are just ignorant of the enormous DotA community instead of the alternative - just a plain dum ass fuck.
A) He said SC2 not SCBW. B) Your saying BW doesn't count because it's only in Korea then only talk about the Chinese DotA scene, has it taken off anywhere else? (Serious question, I never really followed it) C) Thousands of players daily world wide isn't that huge of a following, I mean LoL gets 1.4 million daily. D) I'm unimpressed by the size of the prize pool, valve dropping $1.6 million in prize support for a single tournament tells me they have a lot of money, not that DotA 2 will make it as an e-sport, while it's a bigger prize pool then the nine seasons of GSL combined the fact that there has been 9 seasons so far says a lot more about the strength of the scene then a single large tournament. Time will tell if DotA2 can stand on its own.
A) He said "that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc." B) Pretty much relies on your definition of "taking off". As in having tournaments with 10k+ USD, salaried teams, international LANs, yes it has taken off in Europe, especially eastern Europe and RUS, CN and SEA. C) It is pretty hard to estimate player numbers, since there are various different platforms people play on. Public Bnet 1.0, inhouse Bnet 1.0, ICCUP, Dotacash, Dotalicious, RGC, Darer, Garena, Hao Fang (CN only), VS (CN only). Garena alone has 200-300k Dota players online at any given point. And don't forget the game bangs in SEA, where people play for real money on an every day basis and making a living out of it. There is even a whole betting-economy in countries like Malaysia, PH etc. D) You are ignoring the fact that Dota 2 will most likely be a seamless continuation of the current Dota 1 scene, which has been growing organically and sustained itself until today. A lot of people treat it like a whole new game, but don't acknowledge the fact that the Dota 1 community is borderline religious about its relationship with Icefrog. People put a ton of trust in him to do the right things and have largely not been disappointed since he took over 6 years ago. The quality of his voluntary work throughout the times and dedication to communicate with the public playerbase as well as professionals. It is the only reason why the game has succeeded the way it did.
On August 02 2011 17:25 FXOpen wrote: Ummm... wheat...... T_T
Dota is huge in asia.. It still is huge in asia... And from what I have seen dota2 is going to be equally as huge if not more as huge.
It probably was smallest in the US I dno why.. But dota is a big deal. HoN and LoL were built because of Dota.... Theres an enormous market for it.
I can't justify putting up the prize money that valve are. And it is a form of marketing. But its good marketing, and will no doubt steal players from other markets to boost the dota presence.
My only concern, which is the same for alot of the games you love Mr Wheat. Is that dota is not very good for spectators who dont play the game. I hope dota2 has improved on that.
Pretty spot on Boss. Wheat do you know anything about the Dota community? You are making a ton of assumptions based on very little knowledge. The asian community that supports dota is still a community. Just because North Americans and Europeans are mostly terrible at Dota doesnt mean that it is a terrible esport. Dota will probably either be a huge explosion or just fizzle out. Being really negative about it doesnt help anyone out. It can only really hurt you if Dota suceeds you look like a huge dick and if it fails you are right, but there is still a sour taste in your mouth.
On August 02 2011 17:25 FXOpen wrote: Ummm... wheat...... T_T
Dota is huge in asia.. It still is huge in asia... And from what I have seen dota2 is going to be equally as huge if not more as huge.
It probably was smallest in the US I dno why.. But dota is a big deal. HoN and LoL were built because of Dota.... Theres an enormous market for it.
I can't justify putting up the prize money that valve are. And it is a form of marketing. But its good marketing, and will no doubt steal players from other markets to boost the dota presence.
My only concern, which is the same for alot of the games you love Mr Wheat. Is that dota is not very good for spectators who dont play the game. I hope dota2 has improved on that.
I wouldn't worry much about the not good for spectators, since the majority of people who watch the games get what's going on and it takes just a few games played to understand whats happening. If you've played LoL and HoN, you'll probably understand what you see in DotA as well. Same thing was said for DotA as an excuse to not have it included over WC3 in tournament, yet more people would tuned in to watch DotA than they did WC3.
Well, when you get a game onto TV, you need a large number of spectators to make it viable and to bring e-sports mainstream. If you rely on the gamers only, then you kinda wont get enough, it will be sort of a fine line between profitable or not.
If you can get the outside community into gaming, then you basically win
I played Dota and Hon for years, and i dont understand ANYTHING whats happening in lol. Its like i ate mushrooms. Here some colours, there some colours, here some flashy animations, there some flashy animations; Everything is dead.
I dont want to say LoL sux or something, i just want to say u need to play LoL in order to understand it (hero and skill wise).
On July 21 2011 07:52 dacthehork wrote: It's gonna be sad when they've dismissed dota for the last 5 years, then dota 2 comes out and they try hard to ride the popularity wave. Can't wait for the episode after gamescom when they try to hop aboard.
I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)
I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.
I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.
I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.
I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.
I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.
You sir are a fucking hypocrite, dumbass, or a combination of the both. Starcraft: Broodwar has made 'ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title'. There is only two major leagues that run in Korea OSL/MSL.
Yet you say DotA has made no advancement? DotA has professional gaming leagues in China, there is a TV channel dedicated to DotA/WCIII, which there isn't even for CS, Quake or SC2. Yet you say DotA can't be a legitimate eSport?
Have you ever been on Garena? There are still thousands of players playing DotA everyday all over the world - has there been a billboard song about Starcraft? No. How about DotA? Sure has.
The prize pool in DotA for this tournament exceeds 1.6million dollars. That's more than the prize pool for every single GSL to date added up together. Over 9 seasons of GSL could not account for the DotA 2 prize pool.
Judging by the replies to your comments and my own included, it's pretty obvious to say in the least you're wrong.
I hope you are just ignorant of the enormous DotA community instead of the alternative - just a plain dum ass fuck.
Wow you really have to lay off the rude personal insults and respect that people have different opinions. Yes he apparently did have some incorrect facts, I am not referring to those, but regardless that is no reason to call someone a dumbass or "dum ass fuck."
I can't say I entirely agree with Wheat... comparing it to TF2 seems off as I don't recall Valve saying TF2 was supposed to be competitive, while at the same time they are CLEARLY trying to push Dota 2 to be competitive. That alone is a huge difference as it shows that they are acknowledging the game as one that can be competitive at a very high level, and also that they will be supporting it.
As for the quote Wheat originally responded to...
On July 21 2011 07:52 dacthehork wrote: It's gonna be sad when they've dismissed dota for the last 5 years, then dota 2 comes out and they try hard to ride the popularity wave. Can't wait for the episode after gamescom when they try to hop aboard.
You make it sound so much worse than it really would be, if that ends up being the case. I don't see why he would have to acknowledge Dota now as a great eSport in order to not look like he is riding a wave of popularity. If he feels that Dota 2, a game programmed by a large team of people with many resources, and made by a well known company is a great esport, but didn't feel a wc3 mod--that may not have had as much success as other games--was the best esport to discuss, I think that's fine.
To exaggerate the point I'm making it hopefully be more clear... if an indie developer makes a very average FPS shooter with a cool concept that a large company then wants to develop a sequel for with many improvements, would following the second game simply because it is better be riding a wave of popularity? Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but that seems to be what you are suggesting, though not specifically the case I am mentioning. I don't see a problem with him potentially in the future saying "Hey, Dota 2 is a great game and a great eSport, I will support it."
I'm a bit tired now and can't be bothered to spell check... hopefully it was passable.
DotA is like Football(soccer) for Americans huge everywhere else and like the smallest sport in America. They even call DotA by other names such as LoL or HoN in America just like they don't call football by the correct name, it is very strange country and it is confuse me.
well can't blame them when they don't have any American teams to support just a couple Americans playing in european teams for this million dollar tournament.
you can say all you want about black ops not being a big eSport but shame on you if you diss DotA it's like the second biggest eSport.
On July 21 2011 07:52 dacthehork wrote: It's gonna be sad when they've dismissed dota for the last 5 years, then dota 2 comes out and they try hard to ride the popularity wave. Can't wait for the episode after gamescom when they try to hop aboard.
I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)
I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.
I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.
I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.
I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.
I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.
You sir are a fucking hypocrite, dumbass, or a combination of the both. Starcraft: Broodwar has made 'ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title'. There is only two major leagues that run in Korea OSL/MSL.
Yet you say DotA has made no advancement? DotA has professional gaming leagues in China, there is a TV channel dedicated to DotA/WCIII, which there isn't even for CS, Quake or SC2. Yet you say DotA can't be a legitimate eSport?
Have you ever been on Garena? There are still thousands of players playing DotA everyday all over the world - has there been a billboard song about Starcraft? No. How about DotA? Sure has.
The prize pool in DotA for this tournament exceeds 1.6million dollars. That's more than the prize pool for every single GSL to date added up together. Over 9 seasons of GSL could not account for the DotA 2 prize pool.
Judging by the replies to your comments and my own included, it's pretty obvious to say in the least you're wrong.
I hope you are just ignorant of the enormous DotA community instead of the alternative - just a plain dum ass fuck.
A) He said SC2 not SCBW. B) Your saying BW doesn't count because it's only in Korea then only talk about the Chinese DotA scene, has it taken off anywhere else? (Serious question, I never really followed it) C) Thousands of players daily world wide isn't that huge of a following, I mean LoL gets 1.4 million daily. D) I'm unimpressed by the size of the prize pool, valve dropping $1.6 million in prize support for a single tournament tells me they have a lot of money, not that DotA 2 will make it as an e-sport, while it's a bigger prize pool then the nine seasons of GSL combined the fact that there has been 9 seasons so far says a lot more about the strength of the scene then a single large tournament. Time will tell if DotA2 can stand on its own.
A) He said 'like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.'. B) DjWheat said DotA isn't an eSport because it has made zero advancement as a globally popular sport, under that logic SC:BW could be said to equally not be an eSport. Answering your question: yes it has China, SEA, Europe all have a strong DotA fanbase. C) There is around 200-300K people playing at peaks during what is said to be the 'lull of DotA' right now. I think that's still more than the people that play SC2 at any one point in time. D) Well there is no room for argument on that point. Time will tell.
@Chicane: DjWheat did not express an opinion. An opinion would be, I don't like DotA 2 because the graphics are too distracting from the gameplay in my opinion. He said, there is a lack of a fanbase and legitimacy behind DotA 2 to set it as an eSport. That's a claim made out of ignorance and stupidity and likewise remarks will be said about such qualities.
On August 02 2011 11:01 godemperor wrote: Cant wait for this weeks episodes, all of slasher predictions came true. Koreans dominating, destiny and spanishwa falls in round 3. lol
aaaand daigo vs latifa wtf?!
Sry i dont follow fighting games, did slasher's prediction about them come true as well?
No, Daigo dropping out of top3 was rather unexpected by everyone
The prematch ritual of throwing off the jacket and chugging a redbull was more hype than anything that happened at MLG. And before you say anything, yes I watched MLG all weekend.
POONGKO #1
Nothing from EVO can match the noise of when Boxer made it to the winner's finals.
Yeah, you're right... LOL [/sarcasm]
Evo is great at getting the crowd on stream and giving the viewers a feeling of how it is to be at the event. That is something MLG is not doing very well at the moment.
Just looking at videos from the floor of MLG gives you a much better picture of how the crowd is pretty loud and cheers for players and good gameplay.
Both Evo and MLG is doing great things for their communitys, hopefully they can start over and get something going togheter.
As a long time dota player(also played hon/lol in closed beta) I don't know that the game is really a great spectator sport. I used to enjoy watching casts but I had a lot more invested than an average viewer.
Ultimately I think they will need a really good observer who won't miss FB n early game action and a great caster who can explain how the strategies and hero-picks work for those who never played.
On August 02 2011 17:25 FXOpen wrote: Ummm... wheat...... T_T
Dota is huge in asia.. It still is huge in asia... And from what I have seen dota2 is going to be equally as huge if not more as huge.
It probably was smallest in the US I dno why.. But dota is a big deal. HoN and LoL were built because of Dota.... Theres an enormous market for it.
I can't justify putting up the prize money that valve are. And it is a form of marketing. But its good marketing, and will no doubt steal players from other markets to boost the dota presence.
My only concern, which is the same for alot of the games you love Mr Wheat. Is that dota is not very good for spectators who dont play the game. I hope dota2 has improved on that.
I wouldn't worry much about the not good for spectators, since the majority of people who watch the games get what's going on and it takes just a few games played to understand whats happening. If you've played LoL and HoN, you'll probably understand what you see in DotA as well. Same thing was said for DotA as an excuse to not have it included over WC3 in tournament, yet more people would tuned in to watch DotA than they did WC3.
I don't know about that. I played Dota for years and when I watched Dota I find it quite confusing and well boring. Maybe that's just me or the level of play wasn't high enough back then to be interesting.
On August 02 2011 17:25 FXOpen wrote: Ummm... wheat...... T_T
Dota is huge in asia.. It still is huge in asia... And from what I have seen dota2 is going to be equally as huge if not more as huge.
It probably was smallest in the US I dno why.. But dota is a big deal. HoN and LoL were built because of Dota.... Theres an enormous market for it.
I can't justify putting up the prize money that valve are. And it is a form of marketing. But its good marketing, and will no doubt steal players from other markets to boost the dota presence.
My only concern, which is the same for alot of the games you love Mr Wheat. Is that dota is not very good for spectators who dont play the game. I hope dota2 has improved on that.
Your concern is actually addressed by Gabe and valve.
Backstepper: Jeromy wants to know: ‘What do you think of competitive multiplayer?’
Newell: Ah, I like it. It’s kind of an open-ended question. It’s fun to compete against other people.
Johnson: It sucks to lose. It’s really awesome to win.
Newell: John Marello can be made to have his entire head unscrew and fall off on the floor when we play. Do you have a better understanding of what the question is? Do we think that the competitive multiplayer scene…
Johnson: Yeah, are we talking about professional gaming, maybe?
Backstepper: Not in the question, but I would guess. Maybe it’s that direction.
Newell: The piece of the puzzle that I’m always curious about is that nobody’s done a good job of making watching that entertaining enough. If I could take six months off just to work on that problem, that’d be pretty cool. Because I think there’s a huge amount of opportunity there. Obviously, there’s a bunch of things that professional competitive gamers care about. You know, like, I care about this in terms of latency. I care about this in terms of user interface issues. I care about this in terms of how tournaments are managed. And those things are all pretty tractable, and the nice things about professional gamers is they tend to be sophisticated in their descriptions of what it is that they would like. It’s pretty easy to get a laundry list from them and say, okay, we can do three of these right away. I think the harder problem is how to make what they are doing, which is awesome…every time I see one of the people at the elite levels playing any game whether it’s WoW or DOTA or Counter-Strike it’s just stunning how good it is. But I think what’s also stunning is the terrible job we as an industry have done so far in terms of making it entertaining to watch and appreciate how talented and skilled those people are. So if I had to pick one problem to tackle in that space it would be to make it more fun to be a spectator. Is there anything that you know about what’s going on with the competitive scene…?
Johnson: I think DOTA is going to be the product where we are going to focus on this problem. It presents some advantages over some of our other games in terms of viewing just because of the type of game it is. It has a very well established mature professional scene. We’re going to push on this. I think it’s way undervalued. There’s a lot of room there.
Be very happy, valve is putting a lot of work into spectating and improving the experience. there is the "DOTA TV" portion of the game, best replay system, etc.
basically with dota 2, they have an overwhelming cutting edge multiplayer community experience, and a big emphasis on making spectating more fun. They know the problems with watching dota, and are fixing them with dota 2.
I believe (speculation) they will have for instance dialogues between heroes / more voices from the characters, and really good camera / observer features. Along with art design meant to make it spectator friendly.
On August 02 2011 20:56 groms wrote: As a long time dota player(also played hon/lol in closed beta) I don't know that the game is really a great spectator sport. I used to enjoy watching casts but I had a lot more invested than an average viewer.
Ultimately I think they will need a really good observer who won't miss FB n early game action and a great caster who can explain how the strategies and hero-picks work for those who never played.
I hope they can make it work as I <3 Icefrog
S2(?) developed observer "tool" that moves the camera where is action going on by pressing a button or something. I don't know how well it works and so on, but that would be an answer to that.
But what i have been watching from Dotacast, HoNcast and so on, these are pretty well handled already.
Pretty big blunder from wheat here, looks like he is completely in the dark about the dota numbers and the scene that is behind it.
Years ago (several YEARS), the game had already 12 million unique downloads per new map version. (confirmed from one of the staff members on playdota.com). Then icefrog came out and said that this didnt include the chinese people, which amount to 40-50% of the community. This was several years ago.
Now with gabe newell probably having the exact numbers, he comes out and says "to enable the tens of millions of dota players all around the world to enable to watch the livestreams"... He doesnt just come and pull numbers out of his ass dude.
They wouldnt put atleast 1 million dollar into it, if they didnt know exactly how big the dota scene is.
Dota 2 will not only leave LoL or HoN way behind, it will also leave sc2 way behind. You heard it here first wheat.
I love your shows anyways, but that was a pretty big blunder.
Im also almost 100% certain that the unique viewer number for the livestreams, will blow anything we have ever seen out of the water. I wouldnt be surprised if we break 1 million right off the bat.
On August 02 2011 21:11 gh0un wrote: Pretty big blunder from wheat here, looks like he is completely in the dark about the dota numbers and the scene that is behind it.
Years ago (several YEARS), the game had already 12 million unique downloads per new map version. (confirmed from one of the staff members on playdota.com). Then icefrog came out and said that this didnt include the chinese people, which amount to 40-50% of the community. This was several years ago.
Now with gabe newell probably having the exact numbers, he comes out and says "to enable the tens of millions of dota players all around the world to enable to watch the livestreams"... He doesnt just come and pull numbers out of his ass dude.
They wouldnt put atleast 1 million dollar into it, if they didnt know exactly how big the dota scene is.
Dota 2 will not only leave LoL or HoN way behind, it will also leave sc2 way behind. You heard it here first wheat.
I love your shows anyways, but that was a pretty big blunder.
He is saying he wants to see it first to believe it. How is that a blunder. All Dota 2 is atm is massive hype. We haven't seen anything. When we see stuff than we can judge. BO has big numbers of people playing, doesn't make it an eSports game. Wheat just wants to see it in action and see the scene before jumping all over it like most of the people I see. They quote interviews with valve for evidence of how good a game Dota 2 is, which is saddening in itself. No one quotes Dustin's PR interviews as facts of how the game is and we actually play the game. Why should we blindly believe everything?
On August 02 2011 21:11 gh0un wrote: Pretty big blunder from wheat here, looks like he is completely in the dark about the dota numbers and the scene that is behind it.
Years ago (several YEARS), the game had already 12 million unique downloads per new map version. (confirmed from one of the staff members on playdota.com). Then icefrog came out and said that this didnt include the chinese people, which amount to 40-50% of the community. This was several years ago.
Now with gabe newell probably having the exact numbers, he comes out and says "to enable the tens of millions of dota players all around the world to enable to watch the livestreams"... He doesnt just come and pull numbers out of his ass dude.
They wouldnt put atleast 1 million dollar into it, if they didnt know exactly how big the dota scene is.
Dota 2 will not only leave LoL or HoN way behind, it will also leave sc2 way behind. You heard it here first wheat.
I love your shows anyways, but that was a pretty big blunder.
Dont worry he will cover dota when it's a legit competitive game. (his own wordS). Seriously add dota coverage to lo3. Not just the dota 2 upcoming event.
On August 02 2011 19:43 Kentakky wrote:DotA is like Football(soccer) for Americans huge everywhere else and like the smallest sport in America. They even call DotA by other names such as LoL or HoN in America just like they don't call football by the correct name, it is very strange country and it is confuse me.
American football evolved down a very different path in the 19th century, back when there were no (globally connected) governing bodies and the only bodies that mattered were the oceans. LoL and HoN are the proper names of big budget DotA wannabes. What's confusing here?
On August 02 2011 21:11 gh0un wrote: Pretty big blunder from wheat here, looks like he is completely in the dark about the dota numbers and the scene that is behind it.
Years ago (several YEARS), the game had already 12 million unique downloads per new map version. (confirmed from one of the staff members on playdota.com). Then icefrog came out and said that this didnt include the chinese people, which amount to 40-50% of the community. This was several years ago.
Now with gabe newell probably having the exact numbers, he comes out and says "to enable the tens of millions of dota players all around the world to enable to watch the livestreams"... He doesnt just come and pull numbers out of his ass dude.
They wouldnt put atleast 1 million dollar into it, if they didnt know exactly how big the dota scene is.
Dota 2 will not only leave LoL or HoN way behind, it will also leave sc2 way behind. You heard it here first wheat.
I love your shows anyways, but that was a pretty big blunder.
He is saying he wants to see it first to believe it. How is that a blunder. All Dota 2 is atm is massive hype. We haven't seen anything. When we see stuff than we can judge. BO has big numbers of people playing, doesn't make it an eSports game. Wheat just wants to see it in action and see the scene before jumping all over it like most of the people I see. They quote interviews with valve for evidence of how good a game Dota 2 is, which is saddening in itself. No one quotes Dustin's PR interviews as facts of how the game is and we actually play the game. Why should we blindly believe everything?
The reason for this is pretty simple. Dota 1 is just a map modification for wc3. Not only are there technical limitations that prevent a good coverage of games, but there are also limitations that are beyond game related stuff, like wc3 actually belonging to blizzard, and not icefrog (or valve now). That doesnt mean that there isnt a huge scene behind closed doors. Whats happening behind that door is only known to those that actually are involved in the dota scene.
With dota 2 being their own game, having the opportunity to do whatever they want, they can put all the features that are needed for an esports title to be watchable, into the game themselves. They will open that door and dota 2 will make a splash.
How is the game hyped by anyone other than the people that play the game and are somewhat involved in the scene? It wasnt hyped by valve, its being hyped by its players, that means alot.
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