The Official Live On Three Thread - Page 14

On July 28 2011 09:34 Grettin wrote:
As far as i know, Blizzard ruined the Arena because of nerfs, updates and stuff. Maybe someone who followed the scene more can tell the exact reason.

On July 28 2011 12:05 lardroom wrote:


FOCUS
- docu following Mike Ross leading up to EVO 2010.

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/54396/focus-a-g4-films-presentation/?quality=hd

On July 28 2011 17:59 Midgetman101 wrote:

lawl sorry bro. Its not an esport. It has almost no popularity aside from its small community

On July 22 2011 01:27 djWHEAT wrote:


I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)

I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.

I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.

I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.

I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.

I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.

On July 22 2011 01:27 djWHEAT wrote:
I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.

On August 02 2011 11:01 godemperor wrote:
Cant wait for this weeks episodes, all of slasher predictions came true.
Koreans dominating, destiny and spanishwa falls in round 3. lol

On August 02 2011 09:17 rotegirte wrote:


I see where you are coming from, Wheat. Especially about the Valve involvement. But I will respectfully disagree with your evaluation of the Dota scene since I am a long-time follower it.

Your main argument as I understand it, is that you don't see it stand up to the likes of BW, CS, Quake, SC2 and emphasize the aspect of being globally established. But let me point out that you severely underestimate the asian market with CN and SEA specifically. Furthermore your claim that Dota hasn't made any international splash only holds truth for the NA market, but let's be frank here. That is because the NA Dota scene sucks. It is highly underdeveloped compared to the rest of the world and the only(!) two NA top-players (Fear and Demon) are playing for EU teams (sadly one of the most popular player of all times Merlini, that actually did come from NA, has quit playing due to studies). Even the latin american scene is surpassing NA by leaps and bounds.

12 million map downloads for every new version without CN, as provided by a Dota community staff member. China alone is estimated to be 40-50% of the overall player base. Exactly the same thing we are praising about KR SC, professionalism, team houses, training regiments - it is all happening in CN. They have established elite teams that have been existing for 3+ years, salaried, living together and being coached by former top-players. There are various high prestige offline tournaments with organizers flying in teams from all over the world. WCG, ESWC, ADC, SMM, and countless numbers of CN based offline tournaments that cater the asian markets. CN tournaments that are prestigious enough for EU/RUS teams to fly over. Even in Europe, we have a well-established online tournament system whom's history goes back a long long time. MYM has by far the oldest Dota team around, with their core players (Maelk, Mania, Pusher) still being active and kicking butts left and right.

Please don't belittle Dota for his spawns HoN and LoL. Kids especially in SEA spend their childhood growing up in game bangs playing Dota just to be recruited into a top team. One of the most prolific player 'Yaphets' has started out as an unkown pub-hero, that eventually got contracted. Dota really is as popular as something like soccer here in the west. There is risk of blowing it, as there always is. But do consider, that in different games, different communities, things may work differently.

I love fighting games. Do I see it anywhere here in Germany? No, but it is still as legitimate as an ESPORTS as Dota.

I really do hope you and Slasher consider this input on your next episode, or make other attempts to deepen your insight before giving general evaluations. To quote another poster, just because you don't see it in NA doesn't mean it's not there.

On August 02 2011 11:27 Loodah wrote:


DOTA 2 will be more popular than HoN, LoL, or DoTA ever were. I don't see how people can really argue with that. Yeah they have competition, but that's because DoTa just lost momentum in NA. DoTA is where it started - People said the same thing about SC when WC3 came out - and then when SC2 came out people expected it not to be as popular as WC3. It's a bid ridiculous and hypocritical man. I love your show and you as a personality - but I completely disagree with your post. You can't just sh*t on a game like that - You say you aren't criticizing the game, but then you say I play it casually - As if the competitive scene isn't legit.

A lot of the Starcraft 2 community just assumes that these games like DoTA and LoL are completely casual. There's room for that, as there is in EVERY successful multiplayer game in history. But there's also a fantastic competitive scene and a huge amount of depth. The teamwork that exists in this space simply doesn't exist at all in SC2 - so you could even argue that there is more depth.

I love SC2, but it's really hard for me to argue with fans of the game who discredit DoTA. It is one of the most beloved games of all time in E-sports.

On August 02 2011 11:17 rotegirte wrote:


aaaand daigo vs latifa wtf?!

On August 02 2011 11:49 godemperor wrote:

Sry i dont follow fighting games, did slasher's prediction about them come true as well?

On August 02 2011 11:50 rotegirte wrote:


No, Daigo dropping out of top3 was rather unexpected by everyone

On August 02 2011 11:54 HyperLimen wrote:




+ Show Spoiler +

The prematch ritual of throwing off the jacket and chugging a redbull was more hype than anything that happened at MLG. And before you say anything, yes I watched MLG all weekend.

POONGKO #1

On August 02 2011 11:58 Loodah wrote:


Nothing from EVO can match the noise of when Boxer made it to the winner's finals.

On August 02 2011 13:14 HyperLimen wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAr-TD2B2mQ&feature=youtu.be


Yeah, you're right... LOL [/sarcasm]

On August 02 2011 15:21 dazer wrote:


It even looks like Evo even has a larger crowd than MLG. So much hype!

On July 22 2011 01:27 djWHEAT wrote:


I can't wait for the episode after gamescom where we continue to ignore the game. (/sarcasm)

I will wait for the episode after DotA actually proves itself as a legitimate competitive game that organizations want to support via tournaments, teams, etc.

I know you will disagree with me, but DotA has made ZERO advancement in terms of a globally popular spotlighted eSports title.

I really am not going out of my way to discredit the game(s) at all because I enjoy them casually myself, but I'm definitely not convinced that it will ever be able to exist like BW, CS, Quake, SC2, etc.

I really hope I'm wrong, because the features they mention are certainly on the right track. But you can't really eat up Valve's bullshit about eSports so easily. They had the same opportunity to support and advance CS 1.6 at it's prime and they chose to take a very obvious backseat almost to the point of ignoring it.

I think DotA 2 will be alot more like TF2, where it appears as if the potential is there, but the actual direction from Valve never let's it get beyond a "casual game that a fuckload of people play". It's also going to be very tough for HoN, LoL, BLC, and DotA 2 to all co-exist, and most certainly not at the same tournaments. I HOPE that the competition between these companies will change the way they all approach eSports.