• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:35
CEST 10:35
KST 17:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed9Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll2Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension Who will win EWC 2025? RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Starcraft in widescreen A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 488 users

Season 3 Ladder Pool Updates - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
1410 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 71 Next
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
June 20 2011 17:15 GMT
#141
On June 21 2011 02:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
This means that the map won’t be strictly about the rush, even though it’s a rush map.

Hey zergs you wont strictly lose on this map, but your going to lose on this map.

I honestly think blizzard is trolling with this. There is no way in hell that they are this stupid. No way.

Watch them take out Metal/Xnc/Tal'Darim. I will never ladder again.


It's quite a misconception that Zergs NEED 1 base ahead. It fits a defensive style yes, but Zergs can be aggressive too on equal base.

Anyways, I think it's a little funny how they call them "Rush", "normal", and "Macro" maps. I mean yes, they make sense, even though a more accurate term for the Rush maps would be "Aggressive Maps", but they call the first one Normal but say it is still a rush map?

Basically this supports one of my theories that whoever describes the maps is different than the ones who make them, or they make a lot of communication errors.


I'm thinking the Zerg mantra of 1 base ahead is outdated. They do need to get at least one macro hatch if they are on even bases.
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
GeForceFX
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania101 Posts
June 20 2011 17:15 GMT
#142
I don't understand whats wrong with having more than 2 bases? Does a map have to be considered "macro" for it to be able to go further than 15minutes?
"My biggest rival is myself" - Nada
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 20 2011 17:15 GMT
#143
On June 21 2011 01:14 leecH wrote:
awesome. safe froge first expand on two of those 1v1 maps agaist zergies :D
also the first one: the rocks you have to kill if you want to have a good concave attack the natural early on. could be lot´s of fun those maps! :D

Didnt we learn in the GSL that there isnt a safe Forge first expand if the Zerg is prepared for it?
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
June 20 2011 17:15 GMT
#144
I only looked at the 1v1 and 2v2 maps, but they are definitely the best maps that Blizzard has made so far, just from the first glance.

Also, does the second 2v2 map look like a 2v2 version of Odd-Eye to anyone else?
In order to move forward, we must rid ourselves of that which holds us back. Check out my stream and give me tips! twitch.tv/intotheskyy
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
June 20 2011 17:17 GMT
#145
What I would expect out of Blizzard for a good 1on1 map pool are some plain and simple boring midrange maps. But what they deliver are always some gimmicky maps with stupid expansion patterns. I will wait to play on those maps to make a final judgment but I am not very thrilled to ladder on those maps to say the least.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Pred8oar
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 17:18:28
June 20 2011 17:17 GMT
#146
Why cant they take maps that have already been proven to work in tournaments etc... all these rocks, golds and close rush distances and weird and hard to take 3rd bases really suck, i really want another veto
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
June 20 2011 17:17 GMT
#147
I'm thinking the Zerg mantra of 1 base ahead is outdated. They do need to get at least one macro hatch if they are on even bases.


Yup, that is a good point. The reason why you "need" 1 base ahead is not actually because you need more income, but because it gives you more larvae and is convenient to just add drones there when you want to pump econ instead of building a hatch in base and building another to expand later.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
June 20 2011 17:18 GMT
#148
nothing convincing here
@nowSimon
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 17:19:20
June 20 2011 17:18 GMT
#149
absolutely no idea how balanced these maps will be, but thank god they're not ugly (like slag + typhon). Although that first 4v4 map is kinda plain.

Really like the look of the 1v1 maps though. ^^

"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
June 20 2011 17:18 GMT
#150
Guys, before the terrible nerdrage lets see how the maps work out.

I still remember on how people called some very solid maps terrible before games were played on them.Anyways I wish Blizz would include more GSL maps but I guess they don´t want to be seen as abusing the map makers or something
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 20 2011 17:19 GMT
#151
I'm anticipating the maps that will be removed far more than these maps that are getting added, they are pretty bad.....
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
June 20 2011 17:21 GMT
#152
On June 21 2011 02:18 windsupernova wrote:
Guys, before the terrible nerdrage lets see how the maps work out.

I still remember on how people called some very solid maps terrible before games were played on them.Anyways I wish Blizz would include more GSL maps but I guess they don´t want to be seen as abusing the map makers or something

Are you saying that XNC is in fact not terrible? I mean, have you seen the natural? It's so wide.
Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
June 20 2011 17:26 GMT
#153
Hopefully they replace DQ, Scrap station, Slag pits, and Backwater gulch. I can hope, right?
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
June 20 2011 17:27 GMT
#154
3rd map looks pretty, I don't recall playing on an ice texture map yet
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
mlgbx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States73 Posts
June 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#155
The first new 4v4 map looks pretty similar to District 10. I hope it doesn't lag my computer as much. Does anyone know if there is a way to tell how big these maps are?
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 17:28:40
June 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#156
Heard a lot about breaking rocks to take expansions lol. Why don't they add in the accelerated geysers?

Can't wait toplay on the ice terrain
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 17:30:07
June 20 2011 17:29 GMT
#157
On June 21 2011 02:21 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 02:18 windsupernova wrote:
Guys, before the terrible nerdrage lets see how the maps work out.

I still remember on how people called some very solid maps terrible before games were played on them.Anyways I wish Blizz would include more GSL maps but I guess they don´t want to be seen as abusing the map makers or something

Are you saying that XNC is in fact not terrible? I mean, have you seen the natural? It's so wide.


Haha, so true

(I hope that was a parody)

Edit:

OH YEAH! I love the visuals on the 3rd map, hurray for a snow/bright map!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 20 2011 17:29 GMT
#158
I'd like to see something like crossfire or at least something that isn't like metal with slight variations. Korean BW maps were amazing and i think blizzard could learn a lot by delving back into them.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 20 2011 17:30 GMT
#159
On June 21 2011 02:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm thinking the Zerg mantra of 1 base ahead is outdated. They do need to get at least one macro hatch if they are on even bases.


Yup, that is a good point. The reason why you "need" 1 base ahead is not actually because you need more income, but because it gives you more larvae and is convenient to just add drones there when you want to pump econ instead of building a hatch in base and building another to expand later.

There aren't a whole lot of cost effective units in the zerg arsenal (I count one, the infestor, and only if the fungal hits), hence the need for greater income.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Laids
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom596 Posts
June 20 2011 17:30 GMT
#160
I don't really like them, too many rocks/vision blockers, the first map is just horrible.
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 71 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 213
mcanning 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 1008
sSak 32
yabsab 9
Shine 5
Bale 3
PianO 0
Dota 2
ODPixel533
XaKoH 493
XcaliburYe299
canceldota112
League of Legends
JimRising 578
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1399
shoxiejesuss555
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King105
Other Games
summit1g11622
singsing549
Fuzer 194
SortOf124
Trikslyr36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3530
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH385
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2155
League of Legends
• Lourlo1161
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 26m
WardiTV European League
7h 26m
ShoWTimE vs sebesdes
Percival vs NightPhoenix
Shameless vs Nicoract
Krystianer vs Scarlett
ByuN vs uThermal
Harstem vs HeRoMaRinE
PiGosaur Monday
15h 26m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
4 days
CSO Contender
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Online Event
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.