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BoxeR is probably not the best pick you could make in the 2-point range. Sure, he's going to pick up the point for the slayers wins, but he doesn't come out often, and that's going to be his primary contribution. Even if slayers goes undefeated, he gives you five points this season. Wow? Hate to say it, but there are much better 2 point choices out there.
InCa is debatable. As everyone is saying, he's the PvP sniper, so he is guaranteed to play, clearing space for MC and taking out any other protoss on a roll... But no one is going to send another toss against him, his vT is average, and his vZ is... not good. So yeah, he's a point or two and he's safe, but do you want to win, or do you want to not lose?
Jinro probably won't play, period. Foreginer, and oGs has the longest list of terrans in the tournament (except maybe slayers). I think if you want a 1-pointer from oGs, cezanne is a better choice as they don't have a clear "lead" zerg (jookto? Zenio?) and cezanne is captain of the team, so that might score him an edge over the other two. He's shown great games in the solo tournaments too.
The rest I can't complain about - except that thorzain doesn't play until week five. Might be able to take someone equivalent, score a few points, and then trade for him later, then getting extra games. I think he's definitely the best foreigner around right now though, and playing in korea where terrans are on top is only going to make him stronger. Plus his team is so small he's guaranteed to play.
I need signups to close so I stop changing my team every few hours. I think I've memorized most of the point values by now.
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tetten
Main Team
2  Ace
5 Alicia
1 Hero
1 HuK
1  IMHappy
3 Keen
9 MC
8  NesTea (captain)
6 SlayerS
Anti Team
6 Leenock
5 Lyn
6 Trickster
NesTea: Most skilled player.
MC: Doesn't lose.
Ace, Hero, Huk: Cheap Protoss.
Alicia, Keen: Good for value.
Happy: Needed a 1 pointer.
Trickster, Leenock: Overhyped players that never win.
Lyn: Bad.
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Some of you picking up guys like ThorZain for your anti-team are going to be in for a rude awakening when week 4-5 rolls around.
Just so you know, the trade value is partially determined by how many remaining games each player has. So in other words, all of the players that don't play for 5 weeks... their trade value will keep going up until they start playing.
And to get rid of them, you need to trade them for someone with a higher trade value.
So someone like thorzain, who is already a 4, may go up to the same level as people that are a 6-7 right onw. Which means you'd have to trade him for someone like sC or aLive just to get him off your roster.
I think you're better off finding players that have consistently shown poor performances and have a high value.. like fruitdealer.
One quick question: suppose one of your anti players comes on and loses his first game. Do you get -1 points or 0 points for his appearance? Basically, do you gain a point when he loses? Very critical to know this so we can decide whether or not to pick players with a high number of appearances with very poor performances... or players that rarely appear.
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Man there are so many things to consider... for example... In the past, every match was an elimination match. Each team had no choice but to play their best.
This is a very long league. Each team has a bunch of matches. So will a team like IM (that has a bunch of high level players and will likely roll through their opponents) play more or their lesser known players (like YongHwa, Happy, Seed) instead of NesTea just to give them a chance to appear. They will almost definitely make the playoffs without NesTea playing a single game... so why not foster some of their talent?
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On June 22 2011 03:48 DoomsVille wrote:
Some of you picking up guys like ThorZain for your anti-team are going to be in for a rude awakening when week 4-5 rolls around.
Just so you know, the trade value is partially determined by how many remaining games each player has. So in other words, all of the players that don't play for 5 weeks... their trade value will keep going up until they start playing.
And to get rid of them, you need to trade them for someone with a higher trade value.
So someone like thorzain, who is already a 4, may go up to the same level as people that are a 6-7 right onw. Which means you'd have to trade him for someone like sC or aLive just to get him off your roster.
I think you're better off finding players that have consistently shown poor performances and have a high value.. like fruitdealer.
One quick question: suppose one of your anti players comes on and loses his first game. Do you get -1 points or 0 points for his appearance? Basically, do you gain a point when he loses? Very critical to know this so we can decide whether or not to pick players with a high number of appearances with very poor performances... or players that rarely appear.
Points also increase when a player performs well consistently; besides FXO and F.United, most teams have games spread throughout the entire season, so they will have a chance to inflate a bit, and still trade equally for a naniwa. As long as you're not looking to trade someone who has finished their games, you might still get something in return.
On another not unrelated to the above, the Prime team is awful. They are making my head hurt when it comes to team selection.
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On June 22 2011 03:48 DoomsVille wrote:
Some of you picking up guys like ThorZain for your anti-team are going to be in for a rude awakening when week 4-5 rolls around.
Just so you know, the trade value is partially determined by how many remaining games each player has. So in other words, all of the players that don't play for 5 weeks... their trade value will keep going up until they start playing.
And to get rid of them, you need to trade them for someone with a higher trade value.
So someone like thorzain, who is already a 4, may go up to the same level as people that are a 6-7 right onw. Which means you'd have to trade him for someone like sC or aLive just to get him off your roster.
I think you're better off finding players that have consistently shown poor performances and have a high value.. like fruitdealer.
One quick question: suppose one of your anti players comes on and loses his first game. Do you get -1 points or 0 points for his appearance? Basically, do you gain a point when he loses? Very critical to know this so we can decide whether or not to pick players with a high number of appearances with very poor performances... or players that rarely appear.
You are correct
This also means that SocceR is probably the most value for the points of any player in the entire database right now. Even if he doesn't win a single game, he's going to go up in value as the season progresses. But he will win games as well, he's really good, and he just got into Code A.
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What tiebreaker are people referring to with the team captain?
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So i've created two team lineups, undecided on which would be better. one is slightly more balanced throughout, with 2 aces, and a some solid support players. the other one is more reliant on three picks, with some up and coming stars. i've posted both lineups under spoilers.
Slightly more balanced
+ Show Spoiler +
More top heavy
+ Show Spoiler +
Thoughts?
(some of the players are more just plug and pray then actual facts  )
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On June 22 2011 03:53 DoomsVille wrote:
Man there are so many things to consider... for example... In the past, every match was an elimination match. Each team had no choice but to play their best.
This is a very long league. Each team has a bunch of matches. So will a team like IM (that has a bunch of high level players and will likely roll through their opponents) play more or their lesser known players (like YongHwa, Happy, Seed) instead of NesTea just to give them a chance to appear. They will almost definitely make the playoffs without NesTea playing a single game... so why not foster some of their talent?
Nestea, out of all the aces has the best front line. Seed an Yonghwa are not the Best protoss players, but they are solid protoss players. Standing behind them are Losira and MVP in Z and T respectively, and then if you manage to get on a roll and head all the way to the "final boss" of IM, you face Nestea who is clearly the best Zerg in the world right now. The only reason he isn't 11 points is because of how often he isn't going to get a chance to play.
I think I settled my 1 point pick (but it will be forever a secret), but now I'm having a hell of a time deciding between going with a 2/2 on theStC and Ace, or a 1/3 split with a protoss =/. I also have two oGs players on my team and no FXO/F.United/Prime/Zenex/NSH.
NSH is not a big team, so I want to diversify there, and Prime is not a deep team, so I would like to try and pick out of there =/. So damn difficult!
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^ The season is only 4 players for each team. Which is why I'm actually considering picking NesTea for my anti team...
I mean how often is he going to play when it is only 4 players? They have a ton of new blood talent before him and then LosirA and MVP to close it out if necessary. Couple that with the fact that they are in the easier group and they will roll through their opponents pretty easily..
I'm stuck between going with a NesTea based anti-team or just going all-in with TSL (since I doubt they will win mroe than a match or two) and grabbing clide/fruitdealer/sangho lol
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On June 22 2011 04:15 Icectar wrote:So i've created two team lineups, undecided on which would be better. one is slightly more balanced throughout, with 2 aces, and a some solid support players. the other one is more reliant on three picks, with some up and coming stars. i've posted both lineups under spoilers. Slightly more balanced + Show Spoiler +More top heavy + Show Spoiler +Thoughts? (some of the players are more just plug and pray then actual facts )
With the format of this team league, I don't think IM is worth picking for your team. oGs, or slayers would free up the points to make an upgrade or two and still give you plenty of wins, though maybe through smaller margins. I also don't like taking cella; slayers has Min and four unknowns besides him (then there's YugiOh.... oh.) and there are better one point choices out there in my opinion.
I'm still skeptical of picking any terran from oGs, even one as good as Nada because there's just so damn many of them, and they're all decent. TheStC I can kinda groove with; he's good, he's hyped, and he's freshly back from military, so the team might be looking to show him off. Plus at two points, it's more about him taking the player slot than the value.
Hero is super hyped. "he beat DRG!" "qualified for code A!" and he's a protoss on oGs that isn't MC, so while he has a lot to live up to, he has a chance to actually do it.
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Lyn is the best player on F.United imo, will see a lot of playing time due to the size and strength of the team, has proven capable of taking maps off top players in the past and is improving at quite a rapid rate. I'm surprised to see him on so many anti-teams.
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I just realized how foolish it was to pick nestea as part of my team. The guy never plays lol. They usually send out the pawns first (younghwa,seed,happy etc.) And if that fails, losira and mvp come out (lets be honest these 2 can clear out most teams by themselves). Nestea only comes out the last game =(
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DongRaeGu is believed to be the best Zerg in the world right now, so I went with him as I believe he's going to get a ton of matches and will do amazing. As for Line this was a bit more controversial call, but he had a great run in the last GSL season, so I'm confident he'll got a bunch of matches.
I didn't really want to pick any Terrans, but I ended up being forced to pick August. It's okay, I guess. He's been doing well in the team leagues so far.
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^ How's DRG considered the best zerg in the world with Nestea out there?
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On June 22 2011 04:33 cuppatea wrote:
Lyn is the best player on F.United imo, will see a lot of playing time due to the size and strength of the team, has proven capable of taking maps off top players in the past and is improving at quite a rapid rate. I'm surprised to see him on so many anti-teams.
But he won't play for the first half, and can just be traded off after that 
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On June 22 2011 04:39 rysecake wrote:
^ How's DRG considered the best zerg in the world with Nestea out there?
Between a lot of the korean pro's, they actually think DongRaeGu is better than NesTea.
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No Name
Main Team
2 CoCa
1 HuK
9 MC (captain)
9 MVP
2 Puzzle
3 SuperNoVa
2 Taeja
2 TheStC
6 SlayerS
Anti Team
2 August
8 DongRaeGu
3 RainBOw
As popular as DRG is, he didn't make it into Code A and according to reports had trouble even with QXC. Definitely overvalued. Other than that, I just went top-heavy with MC and MVP who are guaranteed to see action, and filled the rest of the roster with "dark horses" I hope will have a breakthrough.
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On June 22 2011 04:39 rysecake wrote:
^ How's DRG considered the best zerg in the world with Nestea out there?
Maybe he's not the best zerg in the world, but he'll get more playing time since he's probably the best MVP player. IM has LosirA and Mvp to wear their opponents down first
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On June 22 2011 04:40 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:39 rysecake wrote:
^ How's DRG considered the best zerg in the world with Nestea out there? Between a lot of the korean pro's, they actually think DongRaeGu is better than NesTea.
I don't want to sound condescending but where do you get this information from?
I have DRG as my captain as well but I think Nestea is a better zerg
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