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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
To sum it up he allegedly said that he would like to join a foreign team, and actively participate in foreign events. No other reason is mentioned. ROOT.Rain? EG.Rain? Liquid.Rain? FXO.Rain? One can dream right? Does anyone know if he has contacted any foreign team? EDIT: I forgot to mention that he is currently in GSL code S. A huge factor, in my opinion... EDIT2: Nevermind, Rain has pulled out of GSL code S for unknown reasons. And the speculation goes on... | ||
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wester25
Canada63 Posts
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. I dunno man, the guys in the gom house were trying to get FXOBoss to pick him up, could be doable. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
Sorry, it's late here :3 | ||
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Daria
Australia500 Posts
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
Oh well, CLIIIIIIIIIIIIDE will have his time, just you wait! | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. i agree to this | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
i wonder what team.. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 FataLe wrote: hahahhaaha Liquid`Rain. Sorry, it's late here :3 I noticed too :D | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
liquid.rain would be so sick  highly doubt no foreign teams want a code-s player. | ||
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Alexl
288 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Calling it now, if he plays in the West he will crush faces and all the naysayers on TL will have to shut up. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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StarCraft64
United States354 Posts
ROOT.Rain? Not unless he's a necromancer  | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:00 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Why would any foreign team pick up a player that has been to the GSL finals? Why would any top foreign team without a prohouse pick a player that probably doesn't speak english that well, unless they want to fly him to every MLG/DH/IEM ? | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
someone should tell him that his reputation here is ruined too, but why not, there's enough teams where he could partake as their ace | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
EG already pulled out of Korea, Liquid is barely hanging there. FXO tries to enter korea, its sends its players to the events around the world... Perfect team for Rain. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:05 zerious wrote: Sad thing is that he'll probably be the best player on most foreign teams Why is it a sad thing? He is a good player. | ||
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:03 ChickenLips wrote: lmfao someone should tell him that his reputation here is ruined too, but why not, there's enough teams where he could partake as their ace Yeah, too bad not everyone thinks he's a bad player... I can guarantee that he would take series' and games off top non-Korean players pretty easily. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
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Pablols
Chile517 Posts
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fljasdf
Germany20 Posts
How does Rain have a bad reputation? I haven't been involved heavily in the Starcraft 2 scene. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:12 fljasdf wrote: Sorry , I must've missed something... How does Rain have a bad reputation? I haven't been involved heavily in the Starcraft 2 scene. He did a few all-ins + people are really really stupidly biased these days. Makes for a bad combination I guess. | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
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Imres
515 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:12 fljasdf wrote: Sorry , I must've missed something... How does Rain have a bad reputation? I haven't been involved heavily in the Starcraft 2 scene. He cheesed/all in his way to GSL 3 final. Still, he managed to be in Code S lately after he felt in Code A for one season. He's not that good, but you've to take into account that we only saw him against very good players. If a foreign team takes him, he will be one of their best (or the best) players undoubtfully. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
watch it | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:12 Elefanto wrote: I bet its the team formed around WeMade with Nani / Thorzain You realize that they aren't a permanent addition to WeMadeFOX, right? That is just a partnership MLG has with GSL and WeMade... And btw, Moon and Lyn are already on the team so they wouldn't be building around naniwa and thorzain anyway. | ||
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Dirkules
Germany14 Posts
He is been in CodeS for a long time, so he is a solid player and probably better than 95% of the foreigners. | ||
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:02 Zaphid wrote: Why would any top foreign team without a prohouse pick a player that probably doesn't speak english that well, unless they want to fly him to every MLG/DH/IEM ? Heard about Sen? | ||
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:15 mumming wrote: ->fljasdf-- Cheesed his way to a GSL finals. And has cheesed every game ever since. How can you just spew so much garbage and not see anything wrong with it... | ||
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Marth
Germany146 Posts
Yeah, he's good at 2 rax allins, thats it. There's nothing that puts him in a better position than other korean terrans imo. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:15 mumming wrote: ->fljasdf-- Cheesed his way to a GSL finals. And has cheesed every game ever since. False. His runs in Code S/A weren't more cheesy than other players. On June 14 2011 22:16 Marth wrote: Yeah, he's good at 2 rax allins, thats it. There's nothing that puts him in a better position than other korean terrans imo. So he's still better than 95% of the foreigners at least | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:01 Trowa127 wrote: Rain is really good. A lot of people are judging him based on his earlier performances, but anyone who has seen him recently (his TvT's vs MvP were realllyyyy solid) wouldn't be jumping on the 'lolololrainisbad' bandwagon. His ZvT sucks, sure, but he'd probably be a good addition to any team in the West. Calling it now, if he plays in the West he will crush faces and all the naysayers on TL will have to shut up. A mediocre Korean player crushing the Western scene (doubtful it'll happen) would say more about the Western scene than the player that we know is mediocre. If anything, rather than shut people up, it'll only fuel more arguments about the skill gap between Korea and the West if this actually happens. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:15 mumming wrote: ->fljasdf-- Cheesed his way to a GSL finals. And has cheesed every game ever since. First part yes, second part no. He's still better than all but a handful of foreigners. | ||
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:12 fljasdf wrote: Sorry , I must've missed something... How does Rain have a bad reputation? I haven't been involved heavily in the Starcraft 2 scene. He cheesed a lot in GSL Open Season 3 where he made it to the finals and lost to MC. I have to admit I haven´t seen too much from him since then but he stayed in Code S so he probably isn´t terrible and able to play longer games. The real questions ,if he is serious about joining a foreign team, is if he has decent english otherwhise it would be pretty stupid imo because it sucks if you can´t even communicate with your team mates. | ||
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SolC361
United States184 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:18 Oreo7 wrote: He doesn't bring good press like some Koreans and just would cost a team a shit load to fly around the world. I dunno why anyone would want to pick him up. Oh I don't know... Skill? | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
(joke.. cause in wc3 the #1 teamleague was WC3L which is why koreans were joining other teams to compete; in SC2, obviously GSTL is the place to be.. but potentially Rain is noticing he wont be on the TSL roster and thinking he can join a foreign team like FXO and be their ace player??) | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:20 mumming wrote: Well pardon me. At best he has 1 or 2 base allinned. Oh you were right when you said that he has a bad reputation, he simply doesn't deserved it. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
You can think about this guy what you want, but we all know the korean success in ''foreign'' events, aka they won every event they entered except the TSL. Best of luck too Rain | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
Have any of you haters actually seen his latest games? Rain is not bad at all. No, he's no MMA/Bomber/Mvp, but he's not some terrible cheesy scrub like some of you are suggesting. This is AWESOME news, and I can't believe you guys are flaming him because he wants to get involved in the foreigner scene. | ||
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Herper
501 Posts
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nGMuii
Singapore98 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
But see that's thing, he's a good korean but not a great one. He would definitely not win every tourney he's in, and he wouldn't be a favorite for most. He's good, not great. | ||
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. hehe this is so mean - still sort of true - i dont know when i last sa w a game of rain wherere he played 3+ bases | ||
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fljasdf
Germany20 Posts
From my perspective , if he can't talk English ( I don't think basic English will suffice/ Having a translator squire frolicking after him ) so I'm not too sure which team would want to take him. I believe WeMadeFox does compete in international tournaments , to some extend, and they're Korean. I think his English is the most crucial aspect of his "application" for a new team if he wants to compete in the foreigner scene.Maybe I'm biased , but I don't believe most Koreans that are in the GSL speak fluent English. Risky move. Imo. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:15 mumming wrote: ->fljasdf-- Cheesed his way to a GSL finals. And has cheesed every game ever since. Yeah man he cheesed in his games against MvP didn't he? Oh wait. Morons on this forum... | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
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Imres
515 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:27 ComusLoM wrote: Interesting that he leaves the team before having another team lined up, seems a tad silly. the other possibility it's that he has a few proposition and hasn't decided yet | ||
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carpola
United States168 Posts
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fljasdf
Germany20 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:27 ComusLoM wrote: Interesting that he leaves the team before having another team lined up, seems a tad silly. One can speculate that he's gotten an offer to a team already but that information hasn't been released yet. But yes , I second your opinion. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
 Why leave TSL? The foreign scene really isn't that amazing... | ||
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
However, I can't imagine why he would leave TSL as I assume he had a good salary. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: Rain Why leave TSL? The foreign scene really isn't that amazing... He isn't gonna be winning anything in korea anytime soon, he can make alot of money in the foreigner scene. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
he even apologized when he cheesed out nestea which he shouldnt even have had to do imo. i think the haters really only watch and remembered his games vs nestea | ||
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fljasdf
Germany20 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:29 carpola wrote: Have we all forgotten dignitas? dignitas.Naniwa and mouzThorzain are coming to the GSL. So maybe he's trying to get into either one of those teams. Maybe dignitas and/or mouz are trying to build up a scene in Korea. It makes sense to me. Rain could help massively with that. However , if he wants to compete in the FOREIGN scene, again as I pointed out , it all depends on his language skills. | ||
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
Could see a European team, and then move to the swedish house if theres room / if his english is good enough.. well that would be the dream! that'd be awesome | ||
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CaptainTwig
United Kingdom532 Posts
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Xavv
Canada168 Posts
I guess he thinks he can win the majority of foreign events, Sad thing is I seriously doubt the $2000-$3000 plane tickets are something any sponsor wants to keep up with for a single player. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
gl to him! | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
- He's 17 years old. - Rank 8th in earnings from SC2 worldwide with ~30k USD. - The only player to make it to the finals of Code S without any previous Broodwar experience. - He didn't play in the qualifiers for S1. - Ro32 in S2. Finalist of S3, beating the previous champion Nestea in the ro8. - Then like every other Code S player to make it so far, except for Fruitdealer. Starting the trend of them dropping to the up and down matches and or Code A in GSL Jan. >He lost vs Julyzerg and got into Code A. - GSL March. Ro8 Code A >Losing to Alicia. >But beating Hyperdub in the up and down matches to get back into Code S. - GSL May. 1-2 in group stages, behind July (previous finalist) and Inca (who went on to become the finalist for that seaon). So back into the up and down matches. >Losing to MVP, two time Code S champion and the winner of the World Cup tournament. >But Staying in Code S by beating rainbow, another previous GSL finalist. src: http://wiki.teamliquid.net / http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/index.php / http://www.sc2earnings.com/ | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
 Haha, we'll have to see. | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
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Spitfire
South Africa442 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:23 Oreo7 wrote: But see that's thing, he's a good korean but not a great one. He would definitely not win every tourney he's in, and he wouldn't be a favorite for most. He's good, not great. Ok sorry, didn't know that the cutoff for player recruitment was being great and not JUST good... | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
You know how people say that they join the army to see the world- maybe its like that. I wish him nothing but luck. | ||
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Lutto
Sweden198 Posts
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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Psi-Kick
Australia182 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:48 Wolf wrote: Hmmmm.... :D Is this the player FXO was in talks with? | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
He's made $30,000 in his entire SC2 lifetime, and most of that was GSL finals 100 years ago. But it's still awesome to see Koreans want to join the foreigner scene. BW was thankless for foreigners, it's cool to see the roles kind of reversed. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:54 two.watup wrote: If the $30,000 salary is true, i cant see this being a good move. He's made $30,000 in his entire SC2 lifetime, and most of that was GSL finals 100 years ago. But it's still awesome to see Koreans want to join the foreigner scene. BW was thankless for foreigners, it's cool to see the roles kind of reversed. I'm pretty sure not all of TSL was getting a big salary like 30k, Fruit Dealers was the highest, then trickster.. not sure on rain tho, but yes the 30k was from 2nd place! | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
incoming korean netizens saying hes a traitor for going against the koreans incoming epic gosu mode induced into rain when he learns about SC2 foreign scene | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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aDd3z
Germany885 Posts
I dont understand the hate.....he is still a Code S player | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:57 aDd3z wrote: a korean that wants to be part of the foreign scene?! this is awesome I dont understand the hate.....he is still a Code S player It's called beating a heavy fan-favorite. See + Show Spoiler [Super Tournament spoilers] + TOP | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. What the hell he is Code S and has been to a GSL finals. Which is a better resume than any other foreigner on the planet can put together. | ||
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CycoDude
United States326 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:57 Kira__ wrote: There's more money for just-below-the-top players outside of Korea. I think this might be the start of a new trend. yeah that's what i'm thinking...what are the odds of a code-s player winning the gsl? now what are the odds of that same player winning various foreign tourneys? nevermind the fact there are a lot more opportunities in other parts of the world right now. | ||
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branflakes14
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
I'd even say there are very few foreigners better than Rain atm. | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
i could see him join FXO, but there's still the language barrier to deal with. if koreans were better at english we might have seen that a lot earlier.. damn, why can't we all just talk deutsch^^ | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:09 RPR_Tempest wrote: Yeah saw that. Any idea what his previous twiit ''집나오면 개고생이다 ㅠㅠ'' means?I asked Rain on Twitter and he confirmed it, so in case you didn't believe it before, there's your proof. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:48 Wolf wrote: Hmmmm.... Is that a hint  Judging by his Twitter his English is pretty ok, at least good enough for starcraft. Fxo would seem a good fit surely with both the money and the inclination. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Burn2Memory
United States574 Posts
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:57 Kira__ wrote: There's more money for just-below-the-top players outside of Korea. I think this might be the start of a new trend. Not really, he's shown he can stay in code S and as long as he does that he is gauranteed the same patout every GSL season (every month) that you would need to get 4th in MLG to equal. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Compare to Moon, a weaker SC2 player, who still goes undefeated vs foreigners in every foreign tournament he plays. This is big news. | ||
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. Post of the thread. Got a true LOL out of me. | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
Can't say anything about his GSL2 run as I wasn't around then, but his game against Inca was probably the worst (and most hilarious)GSL game I've ever seen. But then in the Up/Downs after that he played really well so he is able to play well, he's just really inconsistent/nervous or smth like that I guess. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
But then i don't rate Rain at all as a player, though he would prob do well in foreign scene. Interesting to see where this goes | ||
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Herper
501 Posts
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fljasdf
Germany20 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:17 Herper wrote: Honestly his English isn't so bad.. I wouldn't know , I was just guessing based on some obvious factors :/ | ||
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imkp
United Kingdom139 Posts
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:20 imkp wrote: Don't get all the hate. Yes, he's not amazing by Korean standards but he's still better than every foreign Terran except maybe Thorzain and Select. nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? | ||
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:15 Cel.erity wrote: Rain is a relatively consistent GSL code S terran, if he made the move to the west he would be the best terran in North America, and among the best in Europe. People who think he's skilless have no idea what they're talking about, just because you don't like his strategies doesn't mean his mechanics are not at the highest pro level. Compare to Moon, a weaker SC2 player, who still goes undefeated vs foreigners in every foreign tournament he plays. This is big news. except Moon got beaten by Slush and Naniwa at MLG | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:20 Joseph123 wrote: nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? how is that an insult? Rain is probably better than them | ||
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imkp
United Kingdom139 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:20 Joseph123 wrote: nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? It's not an insult? He's better than them and has proven so by succeeding in the best tournament in the world. He's a good player, despite cheesing a lot. | ||
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
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Lohse
Denmark237 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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SweetAs
New Zealand290 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:20 pieman819 wrote: except Moon got beaten by Slush and Naniwa at MLG Did he lose to Slush? I don't count Naniwa because like IdrA, he's a foreign aberration, easily capable of T4ing code S. But yeah, the point still remains. | ||
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Jtom
Ireland1044 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:26 SweetAs wrote: I don't get why rain gets so much flack. He is actually really talented. The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca) You are only as good as your last match. | ||
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Elvedeta
Portugal395 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote: The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca) You are only as good as your last match. he has played mvp, keen and rainbow since then... | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:55 nokz88 wrote: Liquid.Rain? One can dream right? Dream? Try nightmare (even though Liquid`Rain would definitely be a catchy ID). It's just weird to give up a spot on the Korean pro team for some sort of... foreign adventure? There's probably more to this story than they're letting out, but either way it's not the best move for his career, and certainly not the move an ambitious progamer would make. Ah well, as long as it ain't Liquid... | ||
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Ausfailia
Australia123 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote: The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca) You are only as good as your last match. His careless play when he thought he had the game won directly caused the worst GSL finals ever... I think he's a solid player, but that's due enough cause to hate Rain. | ||
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SweetAs
New Zealand290 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote: The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca) You are only as good as your last match. He also made it out of the qualifiers at the LG 3d special league and into the main r16 bracket where there are quite a few good players playing (think he plays his match tomorrow). It's certainly an interesting development, he's not a top tier Korean Terran, but he's definitely not woeful. Certainly if he can sharpen up some of his decision making he can compete with many of the better players. I wonder where he'll end up, it would seem very strange for a move like this to be taken without some options in place already. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:33 Ausfailia wrote: His careless play when he thought he had the game won directly caused the worst GSL finals ever... I think he's a solid player, but that's due enough cause to hate Rain. Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa? | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:20 Joseph123 wrote: nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? Dont see them making code s nevermind a final. | ||
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
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aDd3z
Germany885 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote: The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca) You are only as good as your last match. well his last games were: In GSL May he lost to July in group stages, then beat Inca but lost the second game to Inca ( a game he had laready won ) and finished 3rd in his group.In Up&Down he had to play MvP and lost 2:0 but played pretty good after that he won vs Rainbow 2:0 to stay in Code S In super tournement he lost 2:0 to Keen and didnt play so well | ||
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Nineball
Norway163 Posts
I wish him good luck in whatever he does, he is a skilled player and seems like a nice guy, IMO. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:35 Blasphemi wrote: Dont see a foreigner making code s nevermind a final. fixed | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:35 Raysalis wrote: If he is going to end up on any foreign team, my gut instinct is it will be FXO. The timing of recent events feels a bit too coincidental. I agree. If not, then oGs. | ||
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Ausfailia
Australia123 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:34 Cel.erity wrote: Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa? Rain's carelessness at the end of the game against Inca caused the finals in question | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:34 Cel.erity wrote: Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa? That's what he's talking about, isn't it? It was Rain vs. Inca for the #2 spot in their group, Rain had the lead and blew it, thus allowing Inca to roll through a bunch of PvPs into the final. Rain should have killed him off. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. Hahah so much win :D | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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Switchy
343 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote: lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? Sadly there are a lot of people on TL who feel they should hate and bash most players except the 20 or so favourites. I rarely see people say: 'i think this player isnt playing very well'. Its always player x fucking sucks, i hope he fucks off and we never see him again etc. I dont know why but this kind of attitude seems to be pretty accepted and normal on this forum but its really annoying. | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:35 Raysalis wrote: If he is going to end up on any foreign team, my gut instinct is it will be FXO. The timing of recent events feels a bit too coincidental. That, and the questionable hmmmmmm from Wolf a few pages back.. FXORain is not a bad name. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
Huk is already in Code S, but yeah Rain is way better than guys like Drewbie, Demuslim, Tarson, QXC, Goody, BratOK and a lot of other foreign Terrans. The hate for him is ridiculous. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
But FXO seem the most logical choice for Rain too O_O | ||
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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:48 Wolf wrote: Hmmmm.... Are you trying to imply something Wolf? ;D | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:45 Blasphemi wrote: Huk is already in Code S, but yeah Rain is way better than guys like Drewbie, Demuslim, Tarson, QXC, Goody, BratOK and a lot of other foreign Terrans. The hate for him is ridiculous. Nobody is questioning the fact that he's better than those guys (with the exception of QXC when gets some Korean practice going). People throw this "hate" word around more than they should. It's like Polt whiteknighting all over again. -_- | ||
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Keype
Sweden455 Posts
But its cool to see that people want to take part of the foreign scene more | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
I mean, they have said that they wanted to be the best team in the world and with Artosis being in Korea and GSL maybe he have been tinking about signing a korean? | ||
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StarcraftXTZM
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Because lets be honest.Idra left Korea because of the money and that's fine,but i always wondered when are Koreans going to start not only to fly in for a event,but actually stay outside of Korea because we got so much tournaments out here i feel like,if you have a sponsor that is willing to ship you around,you can get obviously more money than being a mediocre player in Korea,you can even stay at home and grind out some of these online tournament for 100$ we got here week in and week out. The language barrier is still harsh,but its easier for a Korean to learn the basics of english i feel,than for a non-korean to learn korean. If the western e-sports scene continues to grow at this rate i think were gonna see more and more of these "kinda-good-but-mediocre" Koreans go over to actually stay and compete internationally. Its just my view point but only the top players have a good reason to play in Korea right now.Everyone else kinda hopes they can become big,but it would be more beneficial for them to go back to school or something. Oh and just a bit food for thought.There has been a lot of sAviOr discussion about,whether he should be allowed or not to play again in Korea(sc2 as well). Would it be impossible to see sAviOr himself say:"They wont let me compete here,because of the scandal i was involved in,i cant even get into a sc2 team.Why wouldn't i go for the "easy money" outside of Korea?".All this assuming if sAviOr wants to continue to make a living off playing games at all anymore. Personally i think if someone like that would offer him self to a foreign team all hell would break loose. | ||
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imkp
United Kingdom139 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:49 Keype wrote: I seriously cant believe he have left TSL!?! for a foreign team, well and as far I understand he doesnt got any offers from an foreign team? does any korean got that? + I dont think Rain is that good of a player, hasnt really showed any good results last months if I have missed smth, he did get big spotlight at gsl season 3 after taking the secondplace falling 0-4 to mc tho. But its cool to see that people want to take part of the foreign scene more In his defense, aside from MarineKing he was the only Terran to be able to take a game off MC during his PvT domination period. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:48 Talin wrote: Nobody is questioning the fact that he's better than those guys (with the exception of QXC when gets some Korean practice going). People throw this "hate" word around more than they should. It's like Polt whiteknighting all over again. -_- Well the Polt thing is even more dumb as Polt is one of the top 10 Terran's in the world and better than any foreign Terran right now. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. Rofl, so true. Other than that, All About ONE may sign him as well, he would get along well with NamhciR. On June 14 2011 22:45 legatus legionis wrote: I was gonna write up a quick capture of rain's run through the GSL, but while writing it's all nicely put on the liquipedia page. So read that, he's not a bad player at all. And I think it's tasteless to call him that. I still compiled some quick facts to help combat this negative perception. - He's 17 years old. - Rank 8th in earnings from SC2 worldwide with ~30k USD. - The only player to make it to the finals of Code S without any previous Broodwar experience. - He didn't play in the qualifiers for S1. - Ro32 in S2. Finalist of S3, beating the previous champion Nestea in the ro8. - Then like every other Code S player to make it so far, except for Fruitdealer. Starting the trend of them dropping to the up and down matches and or Code A in GSL Jan. >He lost vs Julyzerg and got into Code A. - GSL March. Ro8 Code A >Losing to Alicia. >But beating Hyperdub in the up and down matches to get back into Code S. - GSL May. 1-2 in group stages, behind July (previous finalist) and Inca (who went on to become the finalist for that seaon). So back into the up and down matches. >Losing to MVP, two time Code S champion and the winner of the World Cup tournament. >But Staying in Code S by beating rainbow, another previous GSL finalist. src: http://wiki.teamliquid.net / http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/index.php / http://www.sc2earnings.com/ He did all of these with the least amount of skill and strategical understanding possible. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote: lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here. Where are you going to place him? What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive), who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now? etc.. | ||
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Kreb
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:57 Grettin wrote: Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here. Where are you going to place him? What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive), who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now? Well if he says that he wants to join a foreign team,I assume he means he wants out of Korea right? | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44320 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + go away, come again another day | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:59 TheKefka wrote: Well if he says that he wants to join a foreign team,I assume he means he wants out of Korea right? Possibly, but all the questions i asked still stands. Though, it might lower the costs if the team has a gaming house etc. I'm wondering how well Rain speaks english/understands it. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:57 Djagulingu wrote: He did all of these with the least amount of skill and strategical understanding possible. I wish I could no skill my way to a GSL finals, I'm suprised more players don't take the no skill approach to Sc2, as clearly it's working better for him than all but 7 professional Sc2 players. It seems there's something to this no skill approach, perhaps it requires some skill? | ||
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HarMoniCs
United Kingdom1 Post
I also disagree that he needs to good english to be successful outside of Korea. Many foriegners moved to SK with little to no Korean and made a go of it, no reason anyone can't do the reverse. As for practice partners, you need barely zero english to express/understand "your expo was 60 seconds too late" etc etc. He won't be writing any editorials on broadway plays anytime soon but legions of people have moved to countries where they don't speak the language and made a success of it. Regardless, best of luck Rain, you've got balls doing this whatever these trolls are saying. And I like balls. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
But, if true, it's an exciting to opportunity to consider. A Korean Pro-Gamer searching for a non-Korean SC2 Team to join. Maybe he will even move out of Korea. I don't see it being a bad opportunity if a team, who is wants to set-up a team house, to have one or two Korean staying there. If the Koreans have good training mentality it's sure to rub-off. There will be a language barrier, but there are 2 TL member currently in the oGs House who seem to be able to deal with it. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
There are a few team houses in the world outside of Korea (Root, EG soon, Germany, and Sweden). If he wants to move out of the country to participate in all the tournaments and what not, I certainly hope he can speak English a little. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:02 Grettin wrote: Possibly, but all the questions i asked still stands. Though, it might lower the costs if the team has a gaming house etc. I'm wondering how well Rain speaks english/understands it. Tlo started a pro house in Sweden,Root had a pro house so i assume complexity has one as well,from Incontrols comments i think there is a EG pro house on the horizon.I think team houses are something that foreigners are starting to see the real benefits in living in them so i think in the future we will see almost every serious team have a house.So that would actually take care of some of the life costs. As far as travel goes,yes its costly,but you already see EG,Liquid FXO flying their players all over the place and i think that as well is going to become more easy as e-sports continues to grow. | ||
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Tomfour
United States173 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:34 Cel.erity wrote: Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa? just to refresh your memory: rain lost to inca causing inca to advance and to play a PvP witch is his best match... then nada then the final... against nestea, that's right you spoke too soon without thinking. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:08 Tomfour wrote: I don't understand why he is leaving TSL to play in a foreign team really. Is there something that if he is on TSL he can't play in as many foreign tournaments? Or is it just that if he is on TSL he has to play in the GSL which prevents him from going abroad? Every Korean wants a piece of the foreign scene tournaments pie.There was a lot of kinda"joking" talk from Koreans that the ones that don't get to go,are jealous a bit(and i believe they actually are) Right now only the top Koreans and Moon( ) are getting into foreign invitationals like Dream Hack and MLG,Blizzcon,etc. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:02 Blasphemi wrote: I wish I could no skill my way to a GSL finals, I'm suprised more players don't take the no skill approach to Sc2, as clearly it's working better for him than all but 7 professional Sc2 players. It seems there's something to this no skill approach, perhaps it requires some skill? At that time? During GSL S3? Not exactly. TvZ required very little amount of skill during that time (even less than 5 rax reaper era, reapers actually require better micro than marines). A Terran player could just say "Well, I'm playing against a Zerg player who has much more skill than I do so I can just 2 rax him and he dies." and it actually worked out. BitByBitPrime: He eliminated SlayerS_YuGiOh and HayprO just by 2rax marine scv allin. TSL_Rain: Cheesed all the way to finals including cheesing NesTea out of the tournament. And yeah, there was maps factor too. GSL S3 was played with blizzard maps and players didn't have the right to veto any of the maps and most of zergs played on 2 of the following 3 maps: 1- Delta Quadrant 2- Steppes of War 3- Jungle Basin The only exception was Moon against Jinro. TL;DR: TvZ required least amount of skill during GSL Open S3 and all of Rain's opponents were either Zergs or below semi competitive protosses up until finals where he was ezpz'd 4-1 by MC. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
2. stop hyping this Happy guy until he actually does something outside of playing ladder, of the ladder-famous people at least spanishiwa brought a revolutionary build and a new style for the masses to follow, this guy hasn't done shit. 3. i don't know what you've been watching for the past couple of months, but today's Rain is at least same level as the best foreign terrans, bar a few of the code S level guys. ye, that's below top korean tier, but still quite good, i mean ofcourse our guys look strong when faced with opposition of the third tier quality which is most of the western scene while rain looks like a nub playing the best of the best in code S. 4. despite the above, i don't see Rain ever becoming champion, but he might possibly evolve to consistently be in the final stages of tournaments as a perennial close-but-not-quite player making a decent living while at it, especially if he plays western tournaments. waiting for more info in the meanwhile just because this thing sounds pretty intriguing, even if it doesn't involve a fan favorite korean competitor. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Rareware
Canada340 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
i think FXO and coL have lots of money MYM and SK have proven to be good teams to koreans in the past (although today's MYM is another MYM as in the past) | ||
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Czech Republic434 Posts
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GeForceFX
Lithuania101 Posts
Oh. Oh. Em. I seriously couldn't see something like idra & rain practices lol. Seriously, is that guy that good to leave a team? He was on tsl, I think for him it's just downhill from here.. | ||
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Bona Fide
United States70 Posts
This is incorrect - there is not more money in the foreign scene. It is, however, considerably more accessible. The GSL is a monthly tournament with an $87,500 first place prize, considerably more than any foreign tournament. It is, however, a gruelingly difficult task to accomplish, and competition is viciously intense. Being a month-long tournament, it is extremely time-consuming and basically precludes most players from competing in any other tournament. As a result of the many players chasing very limited prize money, it is not very profitable to be in Korea right now unless you are a top-flight Code S player, making the top 16 every month. Many players are relegated to the Code A ranks and must struggle there a considerable time to even make it into the "big league". Compare this to any foreign tournament, and the difference in access is staggering. MLG's 2011 circuit events, in Dallas and Columbus, each had only a $5,000 first place prize. However, it is only one weekend - three days. Dreamhack, possibly the largest LAN tournament outside of Korea, offered a much healthier $15,000 first place prize for its invitational in the winter and $16,000 for the summer tournament. It is only four days long. Both these tournaments have open qualifier brackets that anyone can enter and advance through to have access to the full prize. TL;DR - There isn't more money in the foreign scene, it's just easier to get to and has less of a time demand. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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incifan
Germany138 Posts
anyway, glhf Rain | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:10 phisku wrote: just to refresh your memory: rain lost to inca causing inca to advance and to play a PvP witch is his best match... then nada then the final... against nestea, that's right you spoke too soon without thinking. It was a pretty ambiguous statement, seeing as Rain was actually in the finals of a GSL. I don't see how you can hate a player for losing and indirectly causing a bad finals, it's not like that's his fault. Do you hate NaDa too? | ||
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JonB
Sweden325 Posts
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
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jlim
Spain943 Posts
imo rain, bitbybit and thebest should join to form together an international team. with choya as a coach. and name it terran apples. the clan wars between them and sixjax would be too epic. i'm totally serious about that. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
maybe rain can play super good too, he just hasnt needed to show it yet. maybe you could argue hes just a second tier marineking, but that still puts him ahead of the vast majority of 'pro gamers' | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:31 GeForceFX wrote: The same guy who cheesed his way to the finals to get crushed there just for us to not ever see him again? Oh. Oh. Em. I seriously couldn't see something like idra & rain practices lol. Seriously, is that guy that good to leave a team? He was on tsl, I think for him it's just downhill from here.. So you only watch the finals I take it and not Code S at all? edit @ turdbuglar... really.. you're not directly quoting anyone.. you don't need to be saying that... i know it's an example.. but... | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
Congrats FXO! | ||
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ABPID
Netherlands293 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:10 phisku wrote: just to refresh your memory: rain lost to inca causing inca to advance and to play a PvP witch is his best match... then nada then the final... against nestea, that's right you spoke too soon without thinking. How is that directly causing it? Direct cause is inca, indirect cause is Nestea, even indirecter(as in: who cares) are incas opponents | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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Johnnybb
Denmark486 Posts
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Qkombur
United States23 Posts
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Apoo
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Uquu
Finland474 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 FataLe wrote: hahahhaaha Liquid`Rain. Sorry, it's late here :3 looool i see what you did there. | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
at least that is my look on it. He is skilled, making it to the finals wasn't all luck... a lot of it was but not all. Its hard to say if anyone will sign him, or if he will be worth signing in the end only time will tell. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
It also must be hard being a sc2 gamer in korea considering they proberly considered 2nd rated compared to there bw players. And with all the stuff happend in the western scene i think its a good choise. Hope you find a team Rain | ||
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Blackk
South Africa226 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:57 GoKu` wrote: no top team would take Rain. at least that is my look on it. He is skilled, making it to the finals wasn't all luck... a lot of it was but not all. Its hard to say if anyone will sign him, or if he will be worth signing in the end only time will tell. he's a top player in every team. look at all the best teams, there are for sure 3-4 players way worse than him in all of them. more than likely, even more. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
It would also be good publicity to be the first foreign team to sign a Korean pro to their roster. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
decent code S player> quite alot of foreign players | ||
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Asshat
593 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:01 Megaliskuu wrote: Can't hang with the other koreans, so now he wants to play with other foreigners, i don't even think he'll do that well lol. That's what a recent american who used to be in Korea did. I for one think that Rain would be perfectly able to compete and do very well in the foreigner scene. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Because i don't see why you would leave TSL as it's the only team who give money to their players. | ||
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Monocle
United States1509 Posts
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:13 Noocta wrote: Did he leave or got kick of ? Because i don't see why you would leave TSL as it's the only team who give money to their players. TSL is the 1st to give salary, couple of other team do that as well now, read it somewhere IM give wages, will link to interview when i find it. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
Is Rain good? Yes, no one is denying that. He is a solid Code S korean, and although we probably won't see him get out of the ro32, we probably won't see him drop either. However, having a Korean on your team, housed in Korea that wants to compete in foreign tourneys is expensive. Flights to NA and Euro are much more from Korea than from na to euro or vice versa, so that alone would probably make him the most expensive player on your team. You will probably also need a translator, which will make it even more expensive. And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra, maybe Demuslim, Dignitas' Nani, or Sjow or Select) Mouz's Thorzain or Morrow and Fnatic's Sen. All of those players (when they're not slumping) are on a comparable skill level, but also already have large, established fan bases, and cost thousands of dollars less per tourney to the team. Rain has no fan base, probably quite the opposite, the guy has an anti-fan base, and would probably cause people to root against him if he came out in CW. The only reason teams would want him is if a) they really, really care about their clan war preformance, or b) they like the "novelty" of having a Korean on their team. Therefor, it doesn't make sense for any time but maybe FXO to pick him up, considering FXO has mad $$ and is in Korea anyway, and obviously is going to be riding how well they do in the Team League to fame. So yeah, I don't see any foreign team besides FXO or maybe some budding team that wants to make a name for themselves and is rolling in cash picking him up. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:07 Azzur wrote: I wouldn't call Rain a top tier player mainly because his play relies alot on gimmicky 2-base timings/aggression. That being said, his success is due to many players unable to handle the pressure he puts on them. In addition, he's a reasonably solid player as well. He'll be a good addition to any team since they can practice against this kind of style. He isn't a top tier player compared to other elite Koreans. Compared to most of the foreigners? I'd say that he's pretty up there. Anyone who saw how solid his TvT was against MVP knows that he's not a scrub. | ||
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
I imagine the future of a young gamer can be a bit hazy, too... imagine trying to follow the path of NesTea and MC, b-teamers who spent so many hours in the background. Granted, Rain achieved success quite early, but it would be easy for him to question his future if a few games of GSL and the odd game of GSTL are the sole focuses of a tough training regime. Good luck to him and I hope he finds a good team. Edit: However, having a Korean on your team, housed in Korea that wants to compete in foreign tourneys is expensive. Flights to NA and Euro are much more from Korea than from na to euro or vice versa, so that alone would probably make him the most expensive player on your team. You will probably also need a translator, which will make it even more expensive. And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra, maybe Demuslim, Dignitas' Nani, or Sjow or Select) Mouz's Thorzain or Morrow and Fnatic's Sen. All of those players (when they're not slumping) are on a comparable skill level, but also already have large, established fan bases, and cost thousands of dollars less per tourney to the team. Rain has no fan base, probably quite the opposite, the guy has an anti-fan base, and would probably cause people to root against him if he came out in CW. The only reason teams would want him is if a) they really, really care about their clan war preformance, or b) they like the "novelty" of having a Korean on their team. Therefor, it doesn't make sense for any time but maybe FXO to pick him up, considering FXO has mad $$ and is in Korea anyway, and obviously is going to be riding how well they do in the Team League to fame. I think the language issue is covered above. As for flying from Korea, I wouldn't be so sure that Rain wants to remain in Korea. (If anyone has any information regarding this, that'd be great.) In any case, it suits him to be discreet, since relinquishing his code S spot would be disastrous if he were unable to find a team. Also, people play the anti-fan card way too often; as others have mentioned, MKP was deried for his marine + SCV style, yet people come round. Foreigners know next to nothing about Rain, save for his games in GSL. If he has a good attitude, why wouldn't people like him? I guarantee you, he will make plenty of fans if he makes the effort to do interesting interviews, meet fans, and works on his game. (This isn't to say that he needs to improve, but consider how people began to like IdrA more when he began taking risks.) | ||
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mikyaJ
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worosei
Australia198 Posts
I get the impression that Rain feels that TSL isnt supporting him enough; he's seeing teams like SlayerS, OGS, Startale and Fox all support their players to go overseas, but sees TSL not doing enough to send him overseas. And i guess he considers himself better than some other korean pro-gamers who haven't done amazing at the GSL like Moon (or Ace) who is constantly competing overseas and winning money, and so wants a crack at that. just my 2c | ||
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Zowon
Norway237 Posts
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
Go rain!!!! | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
I'd never object to a Korean playing in everything outside Korea, but I don't see it happening. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:18 Oreo7 wrote: And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra...Morrow and Fnatic's Sen. Rain has performed better than every one of these players. | ||
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MrSpider
France173 Posts
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
I'm thinking he'll go to FXO though. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
- He will likely do very well in foreign tournaments for a while - It is understandable that foreign tournaments are very attractive - I think he should have attempted to work with a foreign team instead of leaving TSL: participate in some sort of a player exchange/stay oversea in a team house for a month. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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The_Piper42
United States426 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
Sen has been around long enough too pick-up at least some English. Judging from the few videos I've seen, I'd sad he's better at English than...say, White-Ra, and both of them managed fine. For koreans however, this would be an uphill battle; remember that someone like Rain dumped school at a much, much earlier age than foreigners which in turn hinder at his ability to progress in a second language. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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shaNk
Canada124 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:54 0neder wrote: He's so bad he needs to find a foreigner team, lol. I feel bad for him, but sometimes you just have to accept the limits of your talent and move on. such a troll hahaha, rain is like really fuckin boss dude, inform urself he's full of potential | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:02 Blasphemi wrote: I wish I could no skill my way to a GSL finals, I'm suprised more players don't take the no skill approach to Sc2, as clearly it's working better for him than all but 7 professional Sc2 players. It seems there's something to this no skill approach, perhaps it requires some skill? ROFL people can never let go THAT ONE GAME. Unless you suddenly make a big splash like San then these perceptions get stuck. San was never that bad either. All the "omg he's improved so much" is facepalm worthy. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:57 Jinsho wrote: I really have no idea why the general tone of this thread is "lol eh so bad he escapes from Korea in shame". Maybe a bro just wants to get out of Korea, see the whole wide world, pick up some white chicks... why you gotta be hating? maybe he saw how easily most of the foreigners got stomped at mlg and he wants some easy money/ | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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Anomalist0032
United States47 Posts
Rain does it and he is the scum of the earth. The guy is a solid player, he cheesed out nestea sure...Nestea should have defended it better. It was months ago, get over it. yay rampant fanboyism and bias. | ||
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kawaiiryuko
United States368 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:57 Jinsho wrote: I really have no idea why the general tone of this thread is "lol eh so bad he escapes from Korea in shame". Maybe a bro just wants to get out of Korea, see the whole wide world, pick up some white chicks... why you gotta be hating? As a complete sidenote, WGWAG generally works with AG is asian girl and generally doesn't work when AG is asian guy. Back on topic: it seems to make sense for him to want to travel outside Korea with a team that's not already in Korea if he wants to participate in the foreign scene. Also, I have to imagine that he's got something lined up already - it seems unnecessarily risky otherwise. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:59 Ownos wrote: ROFL people can never let go THAT ONE GAME. Unless you suddenly make a big splash like San then these perceptions get stuck. San was never that bad either. All the "omg he's improved so much" is facepalm worthy. Ya I agree. Artosis can hype anyone and shut down anyone else down that he wants. For example, Clide is way overrated. He's not terrible, but he is not that good either... | ||
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PimpWilly
United States228 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:06 Anomalist0032 wrote: The best part is, if Boxer had done the exact same builds and made it to the gsl finals everyone would be praising how creative of a player he is. Rain does it and he is the scum of the earth. The guy is a solid player, he cheesed out nestea sure...Nestea should have defended it better. It was months ago, get over it. yay rampant fanboyism and bias. Nah, he was doing the same scv all ins that all terrans were doing at the time, there was nothing creative about it. First impressions are the hardest to break, so we all got to know him from this style of play. Even if hes not the same anymore (and he's not), it takes a long time to break preconceived notions. Just look at Polt and his latest run | ||
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imkp
United Kingdom139 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:08 Chicane wrote: Ya I agree. Artosis can hype anyone and shut down anyone else down that he wants. For example, Clide is way overrated. He's not terrible, but he is not that good either... I'm pretty convinced Rain is better than Clide and Tester at this point. | ||
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Denmark1130 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:17 imkp wrote: I'm pretty convinced Rain is better than Clide and Tester at this point. I'm pretty sure Polt would kick all their asses without breaking a sweat but he still receives a ton load of hate. I don't think anyone will ever forgive him regardless of skill. | ||
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FrostShadow
United States335 Posts
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vict1019
United States401 Posts
Do It. | ||
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kenkou
United States235 Posts
Rain hwaiting! | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:07 kawaiiryuko wrote: As a complete sidenote, WGWAG generally works with AG is asian girl and generally doesn't work when AG is asian guy. Back on topic: it seems to make sense for him to want to travel outside Korea with a team that's not already in Korea if he wants to participate in the foreign scene. Also, I have to imagine that he's got something lined up already - it seems unnecessarily risky otherwise. Well your "complete sidenote" is offensive at best and blatantly racist at worst. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Maybe he watched MLG Columbus and would like to in the middle of that. As a Korean SC2 player, you don't really feel like a star playing for the audience unless it's the GSL final. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:06 Anomalist0032 wrote: The best part is, if Boxer had done the exact same builds and made it to the gsl finals everyone would be praising how creative of a player he is. Rain does it and he is the scum of the earth. The guy is a solid player, he cheesed out nestea sure...Nestea should have defended it better. It was months ago, get over it. yay rampant fanboyism and bias. Boxer does do pretty much the same shit. Its funny, I was just thinking last night how comparable Boxer and Rain are in terms of play, but how differently they're viewed. I can't really blame anyone though, Boxer earned every ounce of respect he gets. The guy pretty much made ESPORTS. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:51 Bibbit wrote: Boxer does do pretty much the same shit. Its funny, I was just thinking last night how comparable Boxer and Rain are in terms of play, but how differently they're viewed. I can't really blame anyone though, Boxer earned every ounce of respect he gets. The guy pretty much made ESPORTS. Meh, in my opinion, if you invented the build, you can do what the heck you want with it. Boxer invented most of the Terran cheese and even the freaking Terran wall in. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:06 Anomalist0032 wrote: The best part is, if Boxer had done the exact same builds and made it to the gsl finals everyone would be praising how creative of a player he is. Rain does it and he is the scum of the earth. The guy is a solid player, he cheesed out nestea sure...Nestea should have defended it better. It was months ago, get over it. yay rampant fanboyism and bias. To be fair, Rain has performed some rather mediocre builds in the past. When BoxeR does that, fans have his BW legacy to fall back on. Rain has no such thing, which is part of the reason that he gets so much criticism. And honestly, I've never seen BoxeR play a game that just left me confused and depressed. Rain vs. July made me feel that way. | ||
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andrewnguyener
United States548 Posts
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feebas
Finland268 Posts
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:00 haxard wrote: he must have already got a deal set if he would leave TSL like this(only korean team with good salaries) i wonder what team.. I agree with this, no reason leaving a team like TSL before you've been talking with another team about picking you up. Unless Rain is like "Psh the second I leave this team I'll get picked up by another one no problem.", but I bet he's more modest than that ^_^ | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
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Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:20 mprs wrote: Rain's last few games in the GSL were actually not bad. He is much better than people give him credit for. Uh, wasn't Rain vs InCa wasn't from the last GSL? That was probably the worst game in GSL yet. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Calling it now guys. | ||
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
Yes yes, I used the most overused line. but think about it! where else have you heard a KOREAN willingly say that he wants to participate in foreign tournaments and he even drops out of his team? This can be the icebreaker for western esports finally breaking the barrier with koreans. Lets imagine rain being flown to into Europe to be with dignitas/mouz and suddenly he gets all good and wins all the European tournaments. This will spark many other korean pros to get themselves out of the shell and maybe even venture out to NA/EU and train with the people there, not just attend tournaments. so its good exposure for everyone! so it really depends on how the foreign community and the team that picks him up presents themselves to the whole scene. if rain gets better and is accepted by the foreign community, it will be shown to the korean sc2 scene and I can bet you atleast 2-3 guys will do the same exact thing in the following months. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:20 mprs wrote: Rain's last few games in the GSL were actually not bad. He is much better than people give him credit for. when Rain Rainbow and Hyperdub were in their up/down group together. all 3 of them played unbelievably poorly. since that day i have lost faith in rain and rainbow... ITR was a beast in beta, and one of my fav players, but now he is just bad =/ | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
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oxxo
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
Maybe the island of misfit toys will take this broken player... or perhaps it would be fitting for the little boy in the red poofball jacket to... stop being a noob | ||
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RedDeckWins
United States123 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
Good call by him. I love player trading. Speculation on Rain, Naniwa and Slush, can't wait. I hope that Liquid gets some new players also. | ||
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
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WilliamDecker
Canada43 Posts
I hope Rain does well. He's a competent player. He could probably bring a lot more to a foreign house than they could bring him. Competitive Starcraft is tough, and I wish him the best. I hope he does well and bring a lot more of the foreign scene to the Korean community. We need more of this type of stuff happening. GL Rain. Hope you do well. Don't listen to the haters and try your best! | ||
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namedplayer
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Rain would definitely be an ace on any foreigner team I don't think he's a bad player, but I disagree. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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ZUR1CH
United States108 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Rain would definitely be an ace on any foreigner team No, he's not as good as Idra, naniwa, HuK, Sen, and Thorzain/Morrow. He's good, not great. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:45 RedDeckWins wrote: Maybe he wants to go to college abroad and wants to see what life is like outside SK. Could really understand this!! I mean why not. If he wants to see more of the world while playing sc. Sounds like fun. He probably heard stories about dreamhack and mlg and wants his share of it. About his skill, it might seem bad sometimes, but its usually against the best of the best, so might look weaker. His latest games were quite solid. However I will never forgive him for letting inca win after which inca wins of Nada and robs us of a good final. | ||
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Phyxx
Denmark681 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:43 oxxo wrote: Rain gets so much undeserved hate. He had a few bad games and suddenly he's 'horrible' and a 'bad player'. When Mvp (my fav player) has a few bad games it's 'oh np, just a slump'. While Rain is not at the Mvp/Nestea level, he's definitely a good player. All you have to do is look at his results to see that. He's Code S and has been forever. This might be true, but unlike MVP (or most of the other code A/S players) I can't come up with a single game where I have seen him play great or show flashes of his true potential. I never get the "Oh this is so smart" or even "Ah, this is actually pretty cleaver" feeling when I watch him. I'm not saying he is a bad player (obviously not the case with his results), I am just saying he is an extremely uninspiring player to watch, and I imagine he must be very easy to read for a truly great opponent. After his very disappointing series against Yeah (some random zerg player in code A a few seasons ago) that he somehow won, I have started to avoid his games all together - and to be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing him disappear from the scene at all. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:15 Oreo7 wrote: No, he's not as good as Idra, naniwa, HuK, Sen, and Thorzain/Morrow. He's good, not great. Only one of those is a terran and a team can have several ace players. I agree though that they are all better. | ||
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Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
I'm guessing it's going to be FXO or sixjax that picks him up. I'm excited | ||
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
Make it happen! | ||
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425kid
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:31 RmoteCntrld wrote: Why do people assume that every time someone leaves a team they're going to join liquid? People only say it this time because Liquid'Rain is awesome. Because Rain is a liquid. | ||
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krooked
376 Posts
Why he chose to leave TSL we don't know, but for the hate: Cmon guys, he is obvously not a bad player. Lets ignore the games he cheesed. Against MVP he showed some promise against, arguably the best terran in the world. He will be a good addition to most foreign teams, it is just not fair to call him a bad player. For the guys saying he is better than ANY foreigner, come on. IdrA for example is clearly a better player. I don't understand the move as of now, but that is his own wishes. If he where to join FXO it would be a very good addition for them. All the best to him in his future, I am very excited to see how this turns out. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Deleted User 108965
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On June 15 2011 04:32 Dexington wrote: People only say it this time because Liquid'Rain is awesome. Because Rain is a liquid. but they literally say it every time there is a free agent player | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:37 FrankWalls wrote: but they literally say it every time there is a free agent player maybe because we are on TeamLiquid.net just a hunch | ||
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how2TL
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Let me repeat that, GSL finalist. You can argue that he doesn't "deserve" it but Rain has a stronger list of accomplishments than any foreigner whether you choose to respect him or not. Anyway my point is that Rain could easily compete in top foreigner competitions. | ||
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United States3668 Posts
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Xova
United States342 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:25 Phyxx wrote: This might be true, but unlike MVP (or most of the other code A/S players) I can't come up with a single game where I have seen him play great or show flashes of his true potential. I never get the "Oh this is so smart" or even "Ah, this is actually pretty cleaver" feeling when I watch him. I'm not saying he is a bad player (obviously not the case with his results), I am just saying he is an extremely uninspiring player to watch, and I imagine he must be very easy to read for a truly great opponent. After his very disappointing series against Yeah (some random zerg player in code A a few seasons ago) that he somehow won, I have started to avoid his games all together - and to be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing him disappear from the scene at all. His game in GSL finals vs MC on lost temple was pretty good. That's true he doesn't have a lot of reference game, perhaps this only one. | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:47 JiYan wrote: people always think "B team level players go to foreign scene to dominate"? MMA is in the finals for Super Tournament after winning MLG Columbus. we've pretty much seen ace tear up every foreign tournament he has been in. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On June 15 2011 05:14 ribboo wrote: we've pretty much seen ace tear up every foreign tournament he has been in. How many foreign tournaments has he been in? | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
Hope to see some of him soon. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Mise
Finland580 Posts
Rain isn't the best player, but he gets way more hate than he deserves. If you look at his games he doesn't cheese or all-in too often anymore, trying to improve. He even apologized for cheesing NesTea out of the GSL. Also his game vs MvP was really good, even though he did lose in the end. He is also very young and inexperienced, as far as I know he wasn't a pro in any game before SC2. Oh and the InCa game isn't the best example of Rain being bad. Rain was clearly the better player in that game, but he got way too overconfident and thus blew his victory. | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:32 Dexington wrote: People only say it this time because Liquid'Rain is awesome. Because Rain is a liquid. Come on guys... to do this properly, Liquid need to get the following players: Jinro (check) Nestea Rain Coca i guess squirtle too, as he's water-based. can't think of any others. | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Rain has shown himself to be an incredible player, everyone still just remembers him as the cheesing guy from season 2 though. You don't get to stay Code S this long without being a very good player. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
good to see some people have sense and realize he's pretty decent. not the best, but remaining in the GSL code S for so long puts you in the elite. | ||
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United States6046 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. As average of a GSL player as Rain is, he would be a top dog in any foreign team, idk who you're trying to kid lol | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
On June 15 2011 05:38 fishjie wrote: ugh so many idiotic scrub haters. good to see some people have sense and realize he's pretty decent. not the best, but remaining in the GSL code S for so long puts you in the elite. My thoughts exactly. If idra is "obviously better than rain" where's his finals appearance? In my opinion, idra left just before he would've been knocked down to code a, and then eventually out. Rain has good strategy, he has just used cheese in some high profile games. | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 15 2011 05:42 Carson wrote: My thoughts exactly. If idra is "obviously better than rain" where's his finals appearance? In my opinion, idra left just before he would've been knocked down to code a, and then eventually out. Rain has good strategy, he has just used cheese in some high profile games. Getting to the finals in GSL was 50% skill and 50% getting the lucky side of the bracket for the first 5 or so GSL. Luckily it's slowly changing so that both sides of the bracket are hard. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:39 Megaliskuu wrote: He isn't gonna be winning anything in korea anytime soon, he can make alot of money in the foreigner scene. really ? lmk when he actually won something... hell even if he gets to a semifinals in "any" tournament from now on | ||
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TheAuditor
United States136 Posts
Leaving a good salary to try to go to the foreign scene. This is like a foreigner going to Korea in BW. We'll see where he ends up. Maybe He'll try to get in the NASL and DH and MLGs. I wonder if he has money saved up himself and if he actually plans to leave Korea. Although I'm not too sure why he'd leave a salary, unless there were implications or something behind the scenes we don't know about. I've give Mr. Rain the benefit of the doubt, and I will support him 100%. Follow your dream! | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
Could potentially see Dignitas happening too, but FXO seems way more likely. | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 15 2011 05:42 Carson wrote: My thoughts exactly. If idra is "obviously better than rain" where's his finals appearance? In my opinion, idra left just before he would've been knocked down to code a, and then eventually out. Rain has good strategy, he has just used cheese in some high profile games. Anyone know if this guy is serious... saying Idra is not better than Rain is like saying BMW is no better than Volvo | ||
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United States916 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Scotland9300 Posts
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
Hope he gets a nice team | ||
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United States207 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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United States45 Posts
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Taiwan936 Posts
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United States679 Posts
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United States9908 Posts
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Mortal
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Philippines3682 Posts
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On June 15 2011 06:56 Meteora.GB wrote: I still think Rain is incompetent... The game between him and Inca made me believe that after he blew his victory away. He took a game off of MC but that was due to unscouted cloak banshees which secured the victory (after which MC got pissed and decided to basically crush him in early attacks) Correction. Rain cancelled his 2nd barracks after MC's scouting probe left, instead throwing down a factory. It wasn't unscouted, it was trickery. | ||
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AgentSmith
Canada91 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:04 Frankon wrote: FXO.Rain. This is the best foreign team for Rain. EG already pulled out of Korea, Liquid is barely hanging there. FXO tries to enter korea, its sends its players to the events around the world... Perfect team for Rain. Rain said he wanted toparticipate more in the foreigner scene. EG needs more good terrans aside form Demuslim because i heard LzGameR is switching races EGRain? | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
but i would love to see him join eg, while idra is raging about it ("this skilless noob without selfrespect?! cmon ur kiddin, his mechanics suck! what shall i train with him? im already good at defending 2 rax scv allin!" j/k ) | ||
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
On June 15 2011 06:31 Umbrella wrote: I wish him the best. Pffft you would since your name is Umbrella, Hah! | ||
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United States1485 Posts
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425kid
416 Posts
On June 15 2011 07:38 Voltaire wrote: People in this thread are drastically underestimating Rain. If he was a foreigner he'd easily be a top terran. He's certainly better than players such as TLO, EmpireKas, and Naama. this | ||
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Iceland160 Posts
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strexer
United States54 Posts
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Shin-Ra
Finland6 Posts
If he was as bad as you are making him look, how the fuck would he have gotten back to Code S? Yeah, sure he tends to cheese and he has a reputation for that, so if you lose to he's cheese it's completely you're own fault not counting the fact in that he tends to cheese. And yes I think any team with common sense would pick him up, he is good, by far better than you're average terran. | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
I'm not sure how it would go as far as training goes though. That's why I'm thinking the only two he could realisticly join would be fnatic and fxo because both have players on the korean/asian servers. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Especially FXO teaming up with Rain could give them a nice edge in their GSTL preparations. | ||
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United States3004 Posts
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On June 15 2011 07:19 gwaihir wrote: i dont see any BIG foreigner team take him...mb a team like sixjax, millenium,complexity (if they can afford it)....because teams like EG, mouz, dignitas have already better players than him....ofc rain is a more or less solid terran, but i can list 15 foreigners, who are better than him, here. and i dont see a european team taking him, because europe already has a sick shitload of baller terrans. so i doubt that any european team will make this huge investment (working on the language barrier etc.) i dont know any european team who hasnt already some sick terrans.mb millenium :D but i would love to see him join eg, while idra is raging about it ("this skilless noob without selfrespect?! cmon ur kiddin, his mechanics suck! what shall i train with him? im already good at defending 2 rax scv allin!" j/k ) 15 foreigners? I know I shouldn't feed these guys, but I can't pass up this opportunity for a good laugh, so I'll bite. Go ahead, wanna see your list. | ||
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FILM
United States663 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
If he doesn't speak english it's already a dead idea for instance, but I saw some english post and answers on his twitter so perhaps he does. Just seems strange he would quit TSL before having any real contact (perhaps he has, who knows) | ||
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Volume
United States104 Posts
Liquid`KiWiKaKi, Liquid`Rain! I wish. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
Definitely a possibility. But for real teams, maybe mouz, sixjax, or a newer team like rage will try to pick him up. I think he would be a solid asset to any foreigner team to be completely honest. | ||
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United States648 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 08:22 nokz88 wrote: 15 foreigners? I know I shouldn't feed these guys, but I can't pass up this opportunity for a good laugh, so I'll bite. Go ahead, wanna see your list. feed what kind of guys? trolls? newbs? haha lol idra,jinro,huk,naniwa,thorzain,dimaga,whitera,kiwikaki,morrow,select,sjow,sen,kas,hasuobs ok 15 was just a guess, but hey this 14 here are as good as 15 and i have the feeling i forgot 1 or 2 players. these guys i listed are better than tsl_rain, some of them clearly, some just a bit. now keep it shut you troll | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:01 Trowa127 wrote: Rain is really good. A lot of people are judging him based on his earlier performances, but anyone who has seen him recently (his TvT's vs MvP were realllyyyy solid) wouldn't be jumping on the 'lolololrainisbad' bandwagon. His ZvT sucks, sure, but he'd probably be a good addition to any team in the West. Calling it now, if he plays in the West he will crush faces and all the naysayers on TL will have to shut up. id like to see that | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:11 gwaihir wrote: feed what kind of guys? trolls? newbs? haha lol idra,jinro,huk,naniwa,thorzain,dimaga,whitera,kiwikaki,morrow,select,sjow,sen,kas,hasuobs ok 15 was just a guess, but hey this 14 here are as good as 15 and i have the feeling i forgot 1 or 2 players. these guys i listed are better than tsl_rain, some of them clearly, some just a bit. now keep it shut you troll Lol im pretty sure that half of those arent better than Rain, probably more than half ;p And i'd even be willing to bet money on that. | ||
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United Kingdom1230 Posts
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
I don't get why rain gets shit on but HuK is hailed as a god for his Code S endeavors when HuK has shown no amount of impressiveness in his GSL run's whatsoever and had a easy stay | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:18 sAfuRos wrote: can we stop shitting around about rain vs foreigners when there's not way to actually compare it realistically? I don't get why rain gets shit on but HuK is hailed as a god for his Code S endeavors when HuK has shown no amount of impressiveness in his GSL run's whatsoever and had a easy stay Actually if you read the LR threads when Huk is playing you'll see him getting a lot of crap for getting an easy way into Code S etc. etc. | ||
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Canada18 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
and darkforce mb we will see when rain arrives at the foreigner scene. sure you can be right, but also wrong, like me. and if some of them arent better than rain then only just a slight bit. time will tell, but dont act like my oppinion is a troll oppinion or total wrong | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote: i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. why not? | ||
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Frugalicious
United States121 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:13 DarKFoRcE wrote: Lol im pretty sure that half of those arent better than Rain, probably more than half ;p And i'd even be willing to bet money on that. Darkforce's opinion is a lot more meaningful than gwaihir's hate for Rain. DF actually has experience playing against many of those players and a greater understanding of the game/high level play. Also, would you really put players who couldn't qualify for Code A/Stay in Code S superior to Rain? Quite hard to make that assessment without being irrationally opinionated. Rain is also very capable of playing macro games quite well as demonstrated with his games vs MVP and even as long ago as S3, versus MC in the finals (the Lost Temple game is a good example). He may not of had won, but he did demonstrate that he is still quite strong in macro-oriented games. Pretty good Macro + excellent cheese + a pocket full of timing-attacks makes him quite the scary player to face and all the more unpredictable since he is so well-versed. | ||
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:22 Frugalicious wrote: Darkforce's opinion is a lot more meaningful than gwaihir's hate for Rain. DF actually has experience playing against many of those players and a greater understanding of the game/high level play. Also, would you really put players who couldn't qualify for Code A/Stay in Code S superior to Rain? Quite hard to make that assessment without being irrationally opinionated. Rain is also very capable of playing macro games quite well as demonstrated with his games vs MVP and even as long ago as S3, versus MC in the finals (the Lost Temple game is a good example). He may not of had won, but he did demonstrate that he is still quite strong in macro-oriented games. Pretty good Macro + excellent cheese + a pocket full of timing-attacks makes him quite the scary player to face and all the more unpredictable since he is so well-versed. hate?? wtf....mb read first? i never said he is bad, i just said there is a good bunch of foreigner which are better....thats not hate mr. troll. and about ur gsl code a thingy...its no secret that code a is actually SO DAMN HARD, that you also need a good amount of luck on your side, even the best can fail there. if u would follow gsl, you would know | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
If Rain does join a true foreigners team (let's just say fnatic for this example), meaning he leaves the TSL house and trains only with the fnatic guys, but still lives in Korea, and then proceeds to do really well in GSL or even just stays in Code S with no notable results while he sweeps up foreign tournaments like MLG and NASL, is this a win for foreign SC2 or just another example of Korean dominance? | ||
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storm44
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Chise
Japan507 Posts
He's actually a pretty solid player now. He'll find a team to pick him up for sure. | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:25 gwaihir wrote: hate?? wtf....mb read first? i never said he is bad, i just said there is a good bunch of foreigner which are better....thats not hate mr. troll. and about ur gsl code a thingy...its no secret that code a is actually SO DAMN HARD, that you also need a good amount of luck on your side, even the best can fail there. if u would follow gsl, you would know You don't need luck to win Code A, you need skill lol. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:35 Geovu wrote: You don't need luck to win Code A, you need skill lol. is this forum full of trolls? dude, i said "ALSO" not "only" | ||
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-swordguy
United States560 Posts
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ehalf
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:37 gwaihir wrote: is this forum full of trolls? dude, i said "ALSO" not "only" Thanks for the laugh. And I won't bother answering the PM you sent me lol... I seriously wonder what it takes to be that dumb. Cold data means a lot more than your opinions dude. | ||
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mavsfan0041
United States306 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 FataLe wrote: hahahhaaha Liquid`Rain. Sorry, it's late here :3 It took me a second.... hahahaha I'm tired too.... | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:44 nokz88 wrote: Thanks for the laugh. And I won't bother answering the PM you sent me lol... I seriously wonder what it takes to be that dumb. Cold data means a lot more than your opinions dude. which data? in this whole thread there wasnt even a litte bit of data which argues against my oppinion.just other oppinions :D.... but hey, nice try | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:37 gwaihir wrote: is this forum full of trolls? dude, i said "ALSO" not "only" ...players who are good enough make it past Code A into Code S, and stay there. AKA Bomber, MKP, MVP (made it back in easily), Alicia, Losira, the list goes on. They make their OWN LUCK. By simply being better than the competition. Rain has also been able to stick in the competition. Players like Sjow, Morrow, and Sen, while undoubtably VERY GOOD, have shown that they get dominated by Code A, or sub-Code A players (IEM, GSL, etc.). At some point, you have to stop making excuses that Rain has had an easy time in GSL, and accept the fact that he has had the skill to stay in the competition for over 6 months. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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He got to GSL finals ppl.. he could repeatedly crush most "good" foreigners. | ||
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425kid
416 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:22 gwaihir wrote: lol ur acting like i said rain is bad...i never did that because he isnt. and darkforce mb we will see when rain arrives at the foreigner scene. sure you can be right, but also wrong, like me. and if some of them arent better than rain then only just a slight bit. time will tell, but dont act like my oppinion is a troll oppinion or total wrong its either a troll opinion or completely wrong though... | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:51 EchelonTee wrote: ...players who are good enough make it past Code A into Code S, and stay there. AKA Bomber, MKP, MVP (made it back in easily), Alicia, Losira, the list goes on. They make their OWN LUCK. By simply being better than the competition. Rain has also been able to stick in the competition. Players like Sjow, Morrow, and Sen, while undoubtably VERY GOOD, have shown that they get dominated by Code A, or sub-Code A players (IEM, GSL, etc.). At some point, you have to stop making excuses that Rain has had an easy time in GSL, and accept the fact that he has had the skill to stay in the competition for over 6 months. sure thats why ppl like mma are still in code a...just look at his up n down match vs. huk...fail cheese, then got cheesed. it was just unlucky and he missed this amount of luck you sometimes need (like in every sport) and if your whole post is adressed to me...wtf who said rain had an easy time, did i say he is bad? the fuck NO...come on guys, just learn to read what others say ((( | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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namedplayer
844 Posts
does he want to move to outside of Korea? He is still code s player I believe and earns $1500 per month.. I just don't understand what he wants. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:52 travis wrote: Funny how dumb people are to think rain isn't good. He got to GSL finals ppl.. he could repeatedly crush most "good" foreigners. very true. it is just easy to overlook him when you compare him to the other koreans he plays against. but against our foreigners.......heck even Moon who isn't even Code A beat out most foreigners. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:59 namedplayer wrote: feel bad for Rain coz I think Rain will not get picked by foreign team.. not because of skill, but because of lack of English. does he want to move to outside of Korea? He is still code s player I believe and earns $1500 per month.. I just don't understand what he wants. dunno, mb he wants to see more of the world, mb he just thinks he can make money more easy than in korea because of the sick competition there. who knows...i guess it wont take long until it gets revealed in an interview or something like that | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
A team like FXO or a team like that could very well pick him up i will be interrested to see what will happen with him :p | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:49 gwaihir wrote: which data? in this whole thread there wasnt even a litte bit of data which argues against my oppinion.just other oppinions :D.... but hey, nice try Cold, hard data: Rain was a GSL finalist in S2 Got code S dropped to code A, and then regained code S status. As far I remeber he is the only one to do that Your frickin opinion which no one gives a shit about: "idra,jinro,huk,naniwa,thorzain,dimaga,whitera,kiwikaki,morrow,select,sjow,sen,kas,hasuobs" are better than Rain gimme a break. Match accomplishment by accomplishment and you get = none of them has accomplished more so far. None. Not saying there aren't anyone better than rain among these guys though, there may be a couple, maybe 5, which could be argued based on recent performances and such. Anything beyond that is pure fanboysm. I can't believe I'm taking the time to answer your idiotic posts dude. I should know better than this sigh... | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 10:05 nokz88 wrote: Cold, hard data: Rain was a GSL finalist in S2 Got code S dropped to code A, and then regained code S status. As far I remeber he is the only one to do that Your frickin opinion which no one gives a shit about: "idra,jinro,huk,naniwa,thorzain,dimaga,whitera,kiwikaki,morrow,select,sjow,sen,kas,hasuobs" are better than Rain gimme a break. Match accomplishment by accomplishment and you get = none of them has accomplished more so far. None. Not saying there aren't anyone better than rain among these guys though, there may be a couple, maybe 5, which could be argued based on recent performances and such. Anything beyond that is pure fanboysm. I can't believe I'm taking the time to answer your idiotic posts dude. I should know better than this sigh... i get ur point, but you know...most i mentioned didnt even go to korea and try, so you have data vs. no data because they were never there...sure thats proof enough :D:D....and thats the problem all oppinions about that are not proofable, because they never competed vs eachother in a league. thats why i also said in a recent post "could be wrong, could be not" and when rain was in the final he cheesed through and then got crushed...back then he was way worse than now...now he is a sick baller. so you should pick better examples... | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:01 Megaliskuu wrote: Can't hang with the other koreans, so now he wants to play with other foreigners, i don't even think he'll do that well lol. he's just following in Idra's footsteps is all | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:55 nokz88 wrote:ROOT.Rain? EG.Rain? Liquid.Rain? FXO.Rain? I think we all know that liquid.rain is the best possible handle. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 15 2011 10:37 lorkac wrote: Also, I want him to join duckload for the lols duckload got shut down by the police like a big german movie streaming site (duckload hosted some of the movies for them) | ||
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Happy Frog
Australia490 Posts
Already have Phoenix, so there is the language issue largely mitigated. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Clapon
United States5 Posts
On June 15 2011 10:48 Happy Frog wrote: ReignRain Already have Phoenix, so there is the language issue largely mitigated. This is the first thing i thought of after reading this tread and then the reign thread | ||
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Lando
Canada42 Posts
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. Post #3 in this thread. Cracked me up :D | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On June 15 2011 10:05 nokz88 wrote: Cold, hard data: Rain was a GSL finalist in S2 Got code S dropped to code A, and then regained code S status. As far I remeber he is the only one to do that Your frickin opinion which no one gives a shit about: "idra,jinro,huk,naniwa,thorzain,dimaga,whitera,kiwikaki,morrow,select,sjow,sen,kas,hasuobs" are better than Rain gimme a break. Match accomplishment by accomplishment and you get = none of them has accomplished more so far. None. Not saying there aren't anyone better than rain among these guys though, there may be a couple, maybe 5, which could be argued based on recent performances and such. Anything beyond that is pure fanboysm. I can't believe I'm taking the time to answer your idiotic posts dude. I should know better than this sigh... um. IMmvp... '' | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On June 15 2011 11:13 Battousai13 wrote: I really wonder how he intends to overcome the language barrier. Unless Rain knows more English that we've come to know, joining a foreign team is going to be pretty difficult. Anyone that mentions SEn as a counterexample should note that he actually speaks pretty good English. Rain speaks English really well. Just throwing that out there. | ||
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FrozenFrog
Singapore133 Posts
I dont get this. Am I missing something? | ||
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Ruscour
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On June 15 2011 09:25 Emporio wrote: So here's a question: If Rain does join a true foreigners team (let's just say fnatic for this example), meaning he leaves the TSL house and trains only with the fnatic guys, but still lives in Korea, and then proceeds to do really well in GSL or even just stays in Code S with no notable results while he sweeps up foreign tournaments like MLG and NASL, is this a win for foreign SC2 or just another example of Korean dominance? Reposting my question | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On June 15 2011 13:17 Ruscour wrote: ReignRain, they still have 2 unannounced players apparently, let's see ReignRain happen fo sho. Only problem is that Reign players are required to live in america. Rain right now has GSL. It would be a huge risk for him to give up GSL for online tournaments. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
That's never going to happen. If he trains with the fnatic guys only, he'd be ignoring all the friends and training partners in Korea built from his TSL days, which is 100% not going to happen. Say he moves to the US or Europe and then trains only on the EU or with fnatic guys, then if he succeeds, people will attribute that to his Korean background, and if he loses alot, then they will say he was never a good player. Staying in Code S itself is a notable result. If he starts owning NASL and MLG, then again it will be because he has Korean training. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 15 2011 10:02 Golgotha wrote: very true. it is just easy to overlook him when you compare him to the other koreans he plays against. but against our foreigners.......heck even Moon who isn't even Code A beat out most foreigners. Determining which player is better by who's in Code S and some GSL Open finals run way back in the dark age of SC2 is an extremely... shallow way to look at things. Moon is better than Rain now. So is DongRaeGu, by multiple orders of magnitude. Probably a couple more solid players outside Code A currently (Taeja, etc), and obviously a bunch of people in Code A play better than him. Rain has average mechanics and looks quite shaky every time he tries to play a long game, and that's even in his "good" matchup. There's absolutely nothing in his gameplay that indicates he's particularly talented either, any more than the next guy on a Korean pro team. I would put him in the Rainbow/Check/FruitDealer category of players right now, and that's being generous. They all actually have some impressive showings in televised games, Rain has games against mvp that he lost as the prime highlight of his skill, and even that wasn't some mind blowing gameplay (obviously). Everyone in that group easily matched by the best foreigners today by the way, Code A/S or not. Overreactions in the threads these days are mind boggling. This is worse than Polt suddenly being the best Terran in the universe... and beyond. Jesus. | ||
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jarocket
Canada21 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
It's also interesting that it's Rain who made this decision. Nothing about him appeared to yell out "I want to travel abroad" but I guess you gotta respect him for the decision. I still feel there might have been some underlying personal reasons with him and TSL though for this decision to happen. Maybe bad atmosphere or somethin' considering their team is relatively small and not doing so well lately. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 15 2011 13:17 Ruscour wrote: ReignRain, they still have 2 unannounced players apparently, let's see ReignRain happen fo sho. That'd be the most messed up/hilarious thing ever lol. I could see him joining FXO, getting acquainted with them while they're playing in TSL, and then moving back with them (if they do move back) | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
In any case, more good players playing in international tournaments is a win for foreign SC2. The fact that Koreans are so interested in playing in MLG/Dreamhack/whatever is a huge win, and now one of them wants to get sponsored so he can go to all of these events. The biggest victory would be if one of them decided to leave Korea entirely and train in a foreign team house full time. I don't think that will happen anytime soon, but we are getting there... | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Rain's run continues with a 2-0 victory over Genius today, will have a very tough match against sC in the quarters next. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i dont see Rain getting through sC | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I didn't see Maka beating sC in the Super Tournament, either. We'll see what happens. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:01 Asha` wrote: LG tournament spoilers re: Rain's abilities + Show Spoiler + Rain's run continues with a 2-0 victory over Genius today, will have a very tough match against sC in the quarters next. Maybe more relevantly, what did his games look like? | ||
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Herper
501 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:01 Asha` wrote: LG tournament spoilers re: Rain's abilities + Show Spoiler + Rain's run continues with a 2-0 victory over Genius today, will have a very tough match against sC in the quarters next. Wait what? which LG tournament? | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225766 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/LG_Cinema_3D_Special_League#Participants Qualifiers all over Korea to a 16man final bracket. All qualifiers got a 3d monitor from LG + $1kmin, going up to $10k for first place + more assorted tech bits from LG. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:24 Fourn wrote: dignitas rain dignitas lacks a nice zerg. with select and sjow they already have sick terrans | ||
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China6329 Posts
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sCfO20
176 Posts
dignitas lacks a nice zerg. with select and sjow they already have sick terrans SlayerS has like 4 good terrans. It's not about the race, it's about how he would effect their playstyles. I think he could bring a lot of good things to a foreign team, this guys been in the GSL for ages. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 14 2011 22:14 Imres wrote: He cheesed/all in his way to GSL 3 final. Still, he managed to be in Code S lately after he felt in Code A for one season. He's not that good, but you've to take into account that we only saw him against very good players. If a foreign team takes him, he will be one of their best (or the best) players undoubtfully. He's not that good, but he's in code S and made it to the finals of a GSL... I hope you take the time and join everyone else in observing how ridiculous you sound. Boxer made a lucrative career out of regularly cheesing in bw and there's nothing wrong with it. That's how you punish people for being too greedy or not taking proper precaution. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:29 Yamulo wrote: My favorite would be Reign rain.... =D reminds me of 'rang rang' which I think is chinese for go away .. i think | ||
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myasQo
Russian Federation174 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:33 starcraft911 wrote: reminds me of 'rang rang' which I think is chinese for go away .. i think haha xD not sure if that's true though, the other way I know how to say go away is "jow hoi"* *probably not the correct cantonese romanization, sound it out as english | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
The "you WILL NOT make money in Korea" trend. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:38 Gamegene wrote: I think that this is the beginning of a trend with Rain and Twilight. The "you WILL NOT make money in Korea" trend. Must be indeed. Of course in reality, instead of fantasy-land, Rain made more tournament money than any foreign player outside of Korea, on top of receiving a salary from TSL's sponsors. 8 Rain TSL $30,169.00 9 SjoW d $29,116.00 | ||
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rickybobby
United States405 Posts
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Yiska
141 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:22 vnlegend wrote: Must be indeed. Of course in reality, instead of fantasy-land, Rain made more tournament money than any foreign player outside of Korea, on top of receiving a salary from TSL's sponsors. 8 Rain TSL $30,169.00 9 SjoW d $29,116.00 And why would you think tournament winnings & team sponsorship is the main income source? Also I think he feels that he won't have the success he had when he made the significant portion out of those 30k. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:26 Yiska wrote: And why would you think tournament winnings & team sponsorship is the main income source? Also I think he feels that he won't have the success he had when he made the significant portion out of those 30k. How else do players make money without tournament winnings and team sponsorship :S Especially considering very few Koreans stream. | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:26 Yiska wrote: And why would you think tournament winnings & team sponsorship is the main income source? Also I think he feels that he won't have the success he had when he made the significant portion out of those 30k. Because that is exactly where the vast majority of income comes from for progamers. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I hate him for beating Nestea in the most obnoxious way in season 3... But I also feel bad for the guy because it seems he genuinely tries hard but haven't found much success after that final. Rain is no bitbybit, but his gameplay isn't much exciting either... He should join EG just so Grack could have someone to practice defending the newest korean cheese with... :D | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:33 starcraft911 wrote: reminds me of 'rang rang' which I think is chinese for go away .. i think LOL NO that's not chinese for go away at ALL...hahahaha go away in chinese is more like zhou kai | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
I guess I would speculate EG grabbing him. I bet they will do announcement him joining their team along with an announcement for their official team house. | ||
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Goldfish
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namedplayer
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Korea : Price - 4% taxes I don't think this is good idea. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
Because that is exactly where the vast majority of income comes from for progamers. Not always true, for example SlayerS_Cella or Destiny probably make much more money streaming than other forms (unless Cella gets paid now for Head Coach position? he said he still wasn't a bit earlier) I will also miss Rain, idk why he decided to leave He was a good player despite his usually fail cheeses, he could play a macro game and was definitely Code S level. In the games where it went to the lategame, which were few, he would be able to put up a good fight, considering his opponents' skill. If I had 30k salary i would have stayed, but idk. Maybe he just has a passion to get more audience globally or feels he can dominate what many people consider to be a generally less high-level of a scene than the Korea's. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
He played some solid games in that gsl and has played decently since then. -.- If i had to guess... coL or EG | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On June 21 2011 15:55 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: If I had 30k salary i would have stayed, but idk. Maybe he just has a passion to get more audience globally or feels he can dominate what many people consider to be a generally less high-level of a scene than the Korea's. His salary is much less than that. He made the 30k from his tournament winnings. His regular salary is probably less than 1k USD a month (FD and Trickster who make the most salary in TSL only get about slightly more than 1k). I kinda see why he might wanna get on a foreign team though. Look at the likes of Moon who has so far failed pretty hard in GSL. He goes to IEM, MLG, Dreamhack and potentially NASL and he makes so much more than most GSL Code S players do. It's not as secure an income as staying in Code S is, but it's definitely quite high. Strange thing is I don't understand why he forfeited his Code S spot when he should have just continued while in the process of looking for a new team, unless he already has a deal in place. The other thing is if he hasn't found a team yet, I'm not really sure who would want to sign him as his name doesn't really have that much of a star power behind it. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:08 Corrosive wrote: Sad to see people in this thread STILL mad about rain cheesing nestea out of GSL in season 3(?) He played some solid games in that gsl and has played decently since then. -.- If i had to guess... coL or EG I agree about the Nestea part. He isn't an amazing player, but he has shown that he is quite solid. Anyway, I really disagree with EG or coL as those are both NA teams. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, but I can't see EG looking to get a Korean, especially when they are focusing on their team house... and coL just picked up 5 players. I think Reign, FXO or Fnatic are much more likely, though I could easily be wrong. | ||
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rawrjaaaaay
United States426 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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iSometric
2221 Posts
On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote: I think all the foreign teams already have mascots. Wow ez with the hate. FXORain it will probably be | ||
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Nexic
United States729 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:13 rawrjaaaaay wrote: they already have a million terrans (major dde skew cocoa), probably need a protossI could see sixjax picking him up, but I don't think Artosis would want a player of his "calibur" on the team. | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:17 Nexic wrote: they already have a million terrans (major dde skew cocoa), probably need a protoss artosis fulls the spot of 3 good tosses :D | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:19 koolaid1990 wrote: artosis fulls the spot of 3 good tosses :D I hope this was a joke. Offtopic, but sixjax needs another Zerg that isn't ViBE, MajOr said he really suffers from having no Zerg practice partner, and that Protoss doesn't matter because the matchup is simple, you just need to make marauders. Anyways, I'd say Reign/FXO/EG, a team planning to have a prohouse. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:08 Corrosive wrote: Sad to see people in this thread STILL mad about rain cheesing nestea out of GSL in season 3(?) He played some solid games in that gsl and has played decently since then. -.- If i had to guess... coL or EG People are incredibly zealous and biased about who they do and don't like on these forums unfortunately. The community latches on to players, whether positively or negatively, based on random factors and then that opinion never goes away no matter what the player does in the future. You could say the same thing happens but in opposite fashion too with many players who previously had won things and are not good now, but are still extremely loved by many people here. Same goes for people who get known and liked *before* they start cheesing as well, and then all is forgiven when they end up cheesing. It's just a really skewed perspective on players, but the sad truth is that's just how it is. | ||
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Shaetan
United States1175 Posts
EG does need a Terran since only Demuslim is T for them iirc. Who knows though. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
I'm sure he'll be top 5 foreigners if he plays in foreigners only leagues. | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
I'm hoping for LiquidRain, partly cuz thats fucking funny! and partly cuz i'm a Liquid fanboy and seeing them get more awesome players would make me nerdgasm. Also, TL needs more Terrans! We only have Jinro! and TLO is undecided between Terran and Zerg. On June 21 2011 16:23 Shaetan wrote: FXO wouldn't make sense since then he could stay in code S. EG does need a Terran since only Demuslim is T for them iirc. Who knows though. Strifecro is Terran isn't he? | ||
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Snausages
United States529 Posts
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:31 PlaGuE_R wrote: Rain got to the GSL finals once, is still in Code S and is a very good terran player. He pulled out of Code S. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:31 PlaGuE_R wrote: Rain got to the GSL finals once, is still in Code S and is a very good terran player. He has a "bad" reputation because he all-ined NesTea in GSL semi-finals and this site is like 90% zerg and so is incredibly biased towards zerg pros and all-ining a zerg is a similar offense to blasphemy around here I'm hoping for LiquidRain, partly cuz thats fucking funny! and partly cuz i'm a Liquid fanboy and seeing them get more awesome players would make me nerdgasm. Also, TL needs more Terrans! We only have Jinro! and TLO is undecided between Terran and Zerg. Strifecro is Terran isn't he? StrifeCro is Zerg, LzGaMeR is Terran. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
Lz also switched to zerg now TT | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
oh, oops. I'm not a big EG follower. My bad. | ||
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saefok
United States21 Posts
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fant0m
964 Posts
Also, 0% chance that Rain is going to go with FXO. They're in Korea after all. He wants to play for a Foreign team. Which means he wants to get out of Korea and travel. FXO is in Korea. I just don't see it happening. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 22 2011 13:40 saefok wrote: I saw KawaiiRice playing Rain yesterday. They were talking about how there are possibilities that Rain might join Fnatic. In my honest opinion, joining FXO would make much more sense. Joining FXO makes virtually no sense now that Rain forfeited his GSL Code S spot... probably wants to get out of the Korea scene. | ||
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Vendor
Canada115 Posts
Lz is no longer Terran as of almost two weeks ago. He has switched back to zerg like in BW | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 22 2011 13:40 saefok wrote: I saw KawaiiRice playing Rain yesterday. They were talking about how there are possibilities that Rain might join Fnatic. In my honest opinion, joining FXO would make much more sense. lies | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:31 nakedsurfer wrote: Maybe Reign.Rain? he hasn't been doing too hot so I don't understand this move but oh well Omg that would be a sick name :D | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
TeamLiquid needs its first Korean. Then others will follow. And in due time when TeamLiquid is the dominating force in SC2 we will see Liquid'Flash and Liquid'Jaedong hopefully | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On June 22 2011 15:40 papaz wrote: Liquid'Rain TeamLiquid needs its first Korean. Then others will follow. And in due time when TeamLiquid is the dominating force in SC2 we will see Liquid'Flash and Liquid'Jaedong hopefully I'm crossing my fingers for "yellow_liquid" | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On June 22 2011 15:40 papaz wrote: Liquid'Rain TeamLiquid needs its first Korean. Then others will follow. And in due time when TeamLiquid is the dominating force in SC2 we will see Liquid'Flash and Liquid'Jaedong hopefully I would prefer flash, jaedong, bisu etc. to all stay BW since i love both SC2 and BW. | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
*rimshot* | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
If he really wants to go abroad, I'd bet for EG. Possibly Liquid (because of their impact on GSL) or one of the less known NA teams like col. or so. I don't think he'll be joining a European team like mouz or dignitas considering how tight South Korea and the US are, and there seems to be alot of exchange there, wheras I for one have almost never seen an asian person in my life, outside a tai / sushi resturant to be quite honest. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 23 2011 00:56 Euronyme wrote: It wouldn't make much sence for him to join Liquid, especially as he's a code S player, and probably still wants to pariticipate in GSL, and all the liquid guys are in the oGs house, which is probably pretty full by now. FXO would be my best bet if he actually wanna continue in GSL. If he really wants to go abroad, I'd bet for EG. Possibly Liquid (because of their impact on GSL) or one of the less known NA teams like col. or so. I don't think he'll be joining a European team like mouz or dignitas considering how tight South Korea and the US are, and there seems to be alot of exchange there, wheras I for one have almost never seen an asian person in my life, outside a tai / sushi resturant to be quite honest. he resigned his code-s spot. and the ogs house being full when only jinro and huk being there.. right. jinro huk haypro and ret managed to live there | ||
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Alsandair
32 Posts
On June 23 2011 00:56 Euronyme wrote: It wouldn't make much sence for him to join Liquid, especially as he's a code S player, and probably still wants to pariticipate in GSL, and all the liquid guys are in the oGs house, which is probably pretty full by now. FXO would be my best bet if he actually wanna continue in GSL. Unfortunately, and for reasons yet unknown (at least to me!), Rain has withdrawn from Code S. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On June 21 2011 16:13 rawrjaaaaay wrote: I could see sixjax picking him up, but I don't think Artosis would want a player of his "calibur" on the team. yeah, artosis is of a much better "calibur" than rain | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On June 23 2011 00:56 Euronyme wrote: It wouldn't make much sence for him to join Liquid, especially as he's a code S player, and probably still wants to pariticipate in GSL, and all the liquid guys are in the oGs house, which is probably pretty full by now. FXO would be my best bet if he actually wanna continue in GSL. If he really wants to go abroad, I'd bet for EG. Possibly Liquid (because of their impact on GSL) or one of the less known NA teams like col. or so. I don't think he'll be joining a European team like mouz or dignitas considering how tight South Korea and the US are, and there seems to be alot of exchange there, wheras I for one have almost never seen an asian person in my life, outside a tai / sushi resturant to be quite honest. It's a thai place The way the visas and stuff work, it's much much easier to go to the USA than Europe, although I"m sure that won't be the deciding factor. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
My guess is EG. They are forming a Teamhouse but they don't have a Terran there. LZ went back to Zerg and i think Demuslim won't be there (not sure about that. he said something along this line, that it maybe won't happen). But even if demu is there, he would be the only Terran. Rain is probably used to many practise hours in a Teamhouse, so that would be good (although he has to speak a little english for that). Fanatic and dignitas is also possible. | ||
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Heathen
Philippines351 Posts
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On June 23 2011 01:34 Heathen wrote: Why the hell did he forfeit his spot in GSL code S. Just to go outside Korea? What if he doesnt get picked up by any foreign team. You do things like that if a deal is already made with a team. Just waiting for right time to go public with it. My bet is on EG and they're probably delaying the announcement for when the teamhouse is ready and everyone is ready to move in. It would be a very silly move from Rain to forfeit a sure amount of $1385 from GSL RO32 (even if he does not advance to RO16). Everything is just a speculation, but the connection makes sense imo. | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233557 | ||
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
On June 23 2011 02:17 phuzi0n wrote: How about Reign.Rain http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233557 Rain would fit SO WELL on that team | ||
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silencesc
United States464 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On June 23 2011 02:49 silencesc wrote: Wow, he must have had a falling out with the management to want to leave a team that got him to code S. Still, I hope he finds a good new team that will take him, he's good enough to win GSL one day imo. I have a feeling his big problem is practice. In that I don't think he gets enough at TSL and he knows it. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Some good money to be had there and he would probably be the ace of the league along with Softball. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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Symbiote
United States49 Posts
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dignitasNewmaN
Sweden137 Posts
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Bozotclown
United Kingdom60 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 23 2011 04:38 Bozotclown wrote: Rain cheesing through the NASL open. :| Thorzain did a bunker and Thor rush to be fair. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On June 23 2011 04:38 Bozotclown wrote: Rain cheesing through the NASL open. :| If I was a GSL Code S level pro force to play against scrub masters US players I would certainly cheese most rounds as well lol | ||
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Philo
United States337 Posts
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Datum
United States371 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On June 23 2011 04:48 Philo wrote: He must already have a team lined up out of country. Why else would he leave GSL? Makes no sense give up a Code S spot If hes not already locked down at a good salary with a foreign team or quitting real Starcraft to do military service He has no team currently afaik. That was last time i spoke with him. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
Pulling out of code S seems like a very very risky move. I hope this decision was well thought out. Go Rain! | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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shikheh
136 Posts
When he cheesed Nestea out he got so much crap from most of sc2 fans. I know it makes the game not fun and on..but yeah all in all I feel bad for this guy. I hope he does well. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
I don't know why they would do that since he technically had really good results, but him leaving the team and GSL just doesn't make sense otherwise : / | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 24 2011 10:42 Emporio wrote: I doubt this is the case, since he was in Code S, but is it possible that TSL was going to cut him? I don't know why they would do that since he technically had really good results, but him leaving the team and GSL just doesn't make sense otherwise : / I'm pretty sure he has a team lined up. I just don't see him leaving code S and TSL without already having a team set and stoned. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
As others have mentioned, FXO doesn't make sense because Rain quit TSL to delve more into the foreign scene while FXO is going into the Korean one. Liquid doesn't make sense either as much as we love puns - given their already existing relationship with oGs, it would be weird to bring an outside Korean into their team. Plus Liquid has always been about rallying the foreign community, I can't see them picking up korean players. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
He would surely dominate the foreign scene though. Saw him play 3 or 4 practice games vs KawaiiRice the other day and absolutely roflstomped him, not remotely close at all, and Kawaii had a good TvT run at MLG. Maybe FnaticRain? | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
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methmouth
1 Post
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tanggehot
China26 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On July 16 2011 20:28 tanggehot wrote: is there anything new for rain's choice for new team??? He joined Fnatic lol like 3 weeks ago read here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237139 edit: also says it like 3 posts above too >> | ||
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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On July 16 2011 20:48 vijeze wrote: Liquid'Rain. That's just a pun. Allthough not as good as RGNRain | ||
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