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phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:11:00
June 14 2011 15:10 GMT
#181
On June 14 2011 23:34 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 23:33 Ausfailia wrote:
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote:
On June 14 2011 23:26 SweetAs wrote:
I don't get why rain gets so much flack. He is actually really talented.

The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca)
You are only as good as your last match.


His careless play when he thought he had the game won directly caused the worst GSL finals ever... I think he's a solid player, but that's due enough cause to hate Rain.


Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa?


just to refresh your memory: rain lost to inca causing inca to advance and to play a PvP witch is his best match... then nada then the final... against nestea, that's right you spoke too soon without thinking.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:13:06
June 14 2011 15:12 GMT
#182
On June 15 2011 00:08 Tomfour wrote:
I don't understand why he is leaving TSL to play in a foreign team really. Is there something that if he is on TSL he can't play in as many foreign tournaments? Or is it just that if he is on TSL he has to play in the GSL which prevents him from going abroad?


Every Korean wants a piece of the foreign scene tournaments pie.There was a lot of kinda"joking" talk from Koreans that the ones that don't get to go,are jealous a bit(and i believe they actually are)
Right now only the top Koreans and Moon() are getting into foreign invitationals like Dream Hack and MLG,Blizzcon,etc.
Cackle™
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
June 14 2011 15:12 GMT
#183
On June 15 2011 00:02 Blasphemi wrote:
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On June 14 2011 23:57 Djagulingu wrote:
He did all of these with the least amount of skill and strategical understanding possible.


I wish I could no skill my way to a GSL finals, I'm suprised more players don't take the no skill approach to Sc2, as clearly it's working better for him than all but 7 professional Sc2 players. It seems there's something to this no skill approach, perhaps it requires some skill?

At that time? During GSL S3? Not exactly. TvZ required very little amount of skill during that time (even less than 5 rax reaper era, reapers actually require better micro than marines). A Terran player could just say "Well, I'm playing against a Zerg player who has much more skill than I do so I can just 2 rax him and he dies." and it actually worked out.

BitByBitPrime: He eliminated SlayerS_YuGiOh and HayprO just by 2rax marine scv allin.
TSL_Rain: Cheesed all the way to finals including cheesing NesTea out of the tournament.

And yeah, there was maps factor too. GSL S3 was played with blizzard maps and players didn't have the right to veto any of the maps and most of zergs played on 2 of the following 3 maps:

1- Delta Quadrant
2- Steppes of War
3- Jungle Basin

The only exception was Moon against Jinro.

TL;DR: TvZ required least amount of skill during GSL Open S3 and all of Rain's opponents were either Zergs or below semi competitive protosses up until finals where he was ezpz'd 4-1 by MC.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:17:10
June 14 2011 15:14 GMT
#184
1. rain is actually good, he's been cheesy and he used to be shit in the past, but he's got the talent if he wants it, don't think it's fair to the guy for the open season 3 hate to follow him for so long, and i say this as someone who actually hated the guy's guts. but he's shown he can be good. don't forget his team isn't exactly the best place to develop skills, TSL looks more and more to be like a bunch of has-beens who are always going to be in-between, in a sense a complete opposite of Slayers.

2. stop hyping this Happy guy until he actually does something outside of playing ladder, of the ladder-famous people at least spanishiwa brought a revolutionary build and a new style for the masses to follow, this guy hasn't done shit.

3. i don't know what you've been watching for the past couple of months, but today's Rain is at least same level as the best foreign terrans, bar a few of the code S level guys. ye, that's below top korean tier, but still quite good, i mean ofcourse our guys look strong when faced with opposition of the third tier quality which is most of the western scene while rain looks like a nub playing the best of the best in code S.

4. despite the above, i don't see Rain ever becoming champion, but he might possibly evolve to consistently be in the final stages of tournaments as a perennial close-but-not-quite player making a decent living while at it, especially if he plays western tournaments.

waiting for more info in the meanwhile just because this thing sounds pretty intriguing, even if it doesn't involve a fan favorite korean competitor.
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
June 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#185
Oh god, I really do feel sorry for the foreigners. Their money has been stolen once already! (not srs)
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
June 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#186
Rain micro is crazy good. I also remember his 3 hellion + 2 scv repairing in his medivac.
Rareware
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada340 Posts
June 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#187
Uh I hope Rain thought this through before he left because, TSL actually gave its players a salary, and I really hope he talked to a foreign team first.
ROOT Fighting!!!
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
June 14 2011 15:23 GMT
#188
FXO, Complexity, MYM or SK

i think FXO and coL have lots of money

MYM and SK have proven to be good teams to koreans in the past (although today's MYM is another MYM as in the past)
3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
June 14 2011 15:28 GMT
#189
Exactly, maybe he's just interested in world outside Korea, is it actually known how well/badly he speaks English?
GeForceFX
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania101 Posts
June 14 2011 15:31 GMT
#190
The same guy who cheesed his way to the finals to get crushed there just for us to not ever see him again?
Oh. Oh. Em. I seriously couldn't see something like idra & rain practices lol. Seriously, is that guy that good to leave a team? He was on tsl, I think for him it's just downhill from here..
"My biggest rival is myself" - Nada
Bona Fide
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:32:52
June 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#191
There is a pervasive misnomer circulating around the e-sports community, which is that the non-Korean scene has "more" money available. Many people in this thread are citing that misnomer as the reason that Rain may be leaving, and the reason that Idra left.

This is incorrect - there is not more money in the foreign scene. It is, however, considerably more accessible. The GSL is a monthly tournament with an $87,500 first place prize, considerably more than any foreign tournament. It is, however, a gruelingly difficult task to accomplish, and competition is viciously intense. Being a month-long tournament, it is extremely time-consuming and basically precludes most players from competing in any other tournament. As a result of the many players chasing very limited prize money, it is not very profitable to be in Korea right now unless you are a top-flight Code S player, making the top 16 every month. Many players are relegated to the Code A ranks and must struggle there a considerable time to even make it into the "big league".

Compare this to any foreign tournament, and the difference in access is staggering. MLG's 2011 circuit events, in Dallas and Columbus, each had only a $5,000 first place prize. However, it is only one weekend - three days. Dreamhack, possibly the largest LAN tournament outside of Korea, offered a much healthier $15,000 first place prize for its invitational in the winter and $16,000 for the summer tournament. It is only four days long. Both these tournaments have open qualifier brackets that anyone can enter and advance through to have access to the full prize.

TL;DR - There isn't more money in the foreign scene, it's just easier to get to and has less of a time demand.
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
June 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#192
The next step is Thebestfou to join a foreign team.
incifan
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
June 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#193
again I am surprised by all the hate.

anyway, glhf Rain
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 14 2011 15:37 GMT
#194
On June 15 2011 00:10 phisku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 23:34 Cel.erity wrote:
On June 14 2011 23:33 Ausfailia wrote:
On June 14 2011 23:29 Jtom wrote:
On June 14 2011 23:26 SweetAs wrote:
I don't get why rain gets so much flack. He is actually really talented.

The fact that the last game he played in gsl was terrible. (up/down matches vs. inca)
You are only as good as your last match.


His careless play when he thought he had the game won directly caused the worst GSL finals ever... I think he's a solid player, but that's due enough cause to hate Rain.


Worst GSL finals ever? Have you seen NesTea vs InCa?


just to refresh your memory: rain lost to inca causing inca to advance and to play a PvP witch is his best match... then nada then the final... against nestea, that's right you spoke too soon without thinking.


It was a pretty ambiguous statement, seeing as Rain was actually in the finals of a GSL.

I don't see how you can hate a player for losing and indirectly causing a bad finals, it's not like that's his fault. Do you hate NaDa too?
We found Dove in a soapless place.
JonB
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden325 Posts
June 14 2011 15:38 GMT
#195
SlayerS_Rain ftw <3
hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype
Zyphen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
June 14 2011 15:39 GMT
#196
Smart man. He realizes he can make more wrecking foreign tournaments than bouncing back and forth between code A and S. It's better to be a big fish in a small pond. He'll collect some easy money and then retire to pursue some other career.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
June 14 2011 15:40 GMT
#197
totally unexpected

imo rain, bitbybit and thebest should join to form together an international team. with choya as a coach. and name it terran apples. the clan wars between them and sixjax would be too epic.

i'm totally serious about that.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 14 2011 15:40 GMT
#198
i dont think people give rain enough credit, i remember when marine king just made marines and everyone went LOL FAGGOT JUST MAKES MARINES WHAT A FAGGOT HURTING ESPORTS. then it turned out he did what worked, and when people adapted to it, he adapted too. now marineking is the love child of half the community.

maybe rain can play super good too, he just hasnt needed to show it yet. maybe you could argue hes just a second tier marineking, but that still puts him ahead of the vast majority of 'pro gamers'
Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:42:37
June 14 2011 15:40 GMT
#199
On June 15 2011 00:31 GeForceFX wrote:
The same guy who cheesed his way to the finals to get crushed there just for us to not ever see him again?
Oh. Oh. Em. I seriously couldn't see something like idra & rain practices lol. Seriously, is that guy that good to leave a team? He was on tsl, I think for him it's just downhill from here..


So you only watch the finals I take it and not Code S at all?

edit @ turdbuglar... really.. you're not directly quoting anyone.. you don't need to be saying that... i know it's an example.. but...
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#200
I'll just say this preemptively:

Congrats FXO!
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
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