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I think a lot of you guys think teams weigh how much "skill" a player has too much.
Is Rain good? Yes, no one is denying that. He is a solid Code S korean, and although we probably won't see him get out of the ro32, we probably won't see him drop either.
However, having a Korean on your team, housed in Korea that wants to compete in foreign tourneys is expensive. Flights to NA and Euro are much more from Korea than from na to euro or vice versa, so that alone would probably make him the most expensive player on your team. You will probably also need a translator, which will make it even more expensive.
And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra, maybe Demuslim, Dignitas' Nani, or Sjow or Select) Mouz's Thorzain or Morrow and Fnatic's Sen. All of those players (when they're not slumping) are on a comparable skill level, but also already have large, established fan bases, and cost thousands of dollars less per tourney to the team. Rain has no fan base, probably quite the opposite, the guy has an anti-fan base, and would probably cause people to root against him if he came out in CW. The only reason teams would want him is if a) they really, really care about their clan war preformance, or b) they like the "novelty" of having a Korean on their team. Therefor, it doesn't make sense for any time but maybe FXO to pick him up, considering FXO has mad $$ and is in Korea anyway, and obviously is going to be riding how well they do in the Team League to fame.
So yeah, I don't see any foreign team besides FXO or maybe some budding team that wants to make a name for themselves and is rolling in cash picking him up. It doesn't make sense.
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On June 15 2011 01:07 Azzur wrote:
I wouldn't call Rain a top tier player mainly because his play relies alot on gimmicky 2-base timings/aggression. That being said, his success is due to many players unable to handle the pressure he puts on them. In addition, he's a reasonably solid player as well. He'll be a good addition to any team since they can practice against this kind of style.
He isn't a top tier player compared to other elite Koreans. Compared to most of the foreigners? I'd say that he's pretty up there. Anyone who saw how solid his TvT was against MVP knows that he's not a scrub.
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Cool move and I hope it works out for him. He's a young guy and is in a great position to explore the world. Also, he is working on his English (check his facebook page) so communication won't be an issue. On that note, just think about how quickly SeleCT's English has improved and I bet the same is in store for Rain.
I imagine the future of a young gamer can be a bit hazy, too... imagine trying to follow the path of NesTea and MC, b-teamers who spent so many hours in the background. Granted, Rain achieved success quite early, but it would be easy for him to question his future if a few games of GSL and the odd game of GSTL are the sole focuses of a tough training regime. Good luck to him and I hope he finds a good team.
Edit: However, having a Korean on your team, housed in Korea that wants to compete in foreign tourneys is expensive. Flights to NA and Euro are much more from Korea than from na to euro or vice versa, so that alone would probably make him the most expensive player on your team. You will probably also need a translator, which will make it even more expensive.
And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra, maybe Demuslim, Dignitas' Nani, or Sjow or Select) Mouz's Thorzain or Morrow and Fnatic's Sen. All of those players (when they're not slumping) are on a comparable skill level, but also already have large, established fan bases, and cost thousands of dollars less per tourney to the team. Rain has no fan base, probably quite the opposite, the guy has an anti-fan base, and would probably cause people to root against him if he came out in CW. The only reason teams would want him is if a) they really, really care about their clan war preformance, or b) they like the "novelty" of having a Korean on their team. Therefor, it doesn't make sense for any time but maybe FXO to pick him up, considering FXO has mad $$ and is in Korea anyway, and obviously is going to be riding how well they do in the Team League to fame.
I think the language issue is covered above. As for flying from Korea, I wouldn't be so sure that Rain wants to remain in Korea. (If anyone has any information regarding this, that'd be great.) In any case, it suits him to be discreet, since relinquishing his code S spot would be disastrous if he were unable to find a team.
Also, people play the anti-fan card way too often; as others have mentioned, MKP was deried for his marine + SCV style, yet people come round. Foreigners know next to nothing about Rain, save for his games in GSL. If he has a good attitude, why wouldn't people like him? I guarantee you, he will make plenty of fans if he makes the effort to do interesting interviews, meet fans, and works on his game. (This isn't to say that he needs to improve, but consider how people began to like IdrA more when he began taking risks.)
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Decent Korean Code S Player with a Finals appearance? He's probably better than all but the Aces of every Foreign Team. The problem is his reputation, like when Naniwa was kicked out of MYM, he's a great player, but people were wondering which team would take him because of his hated reputation.
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Im just concerned that Rain is just trying to be a glory seeker now,
I get the impression that Rain feels that TSL isnt supporting him enough; he's seeing teams like SlayerS, OGS, Startale and Fox all support their players to go overseas, but sees TSL not doing enough to send him overseas.
And i guess he considers himself better than some other korean pro-gamers who haven't done amazing at the GSL like Moon (or Ace) who is constantly competing overseas and winning money, and so wants a crack at that.
just my 2c
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I see him joining We made fox of any team tbh. Hes a great player but has a terrible reputation unfortunately =/. And people on TL never forget. Ever.
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i think its awesome news.
Go rain!!!!
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This makes no sense, surely there must be another reason. It's not like he's experienced Starcraft 2 outside of Korea... isn't it a bit rash to suddenly abandon your team and look for foreign opportunities? =\
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Many idiots in this thread who didn't watch any of his games except when he 'cheesed' Nestea. These same people probably call oGsTOP a cheesy non-macro player too, lol. Rain legitimately beat a few players on his finals run (HongUn was one of them, right?), and has had some pretty decent macro-ish series since then (up and down with mvp). He isn't that bad, he just isn't team ace quality.
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Unless he's willing to live in the US/Europe, and can speak a bit of English, I don't see him being a factor in any foreign events.
I'd never object to a Korean playing in everything outside Korea, but I don't see it happening.
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On June 15 2011 01:18 Oreo7 wrote:
And while Rain is good, he's not great. Most teams have an ace that's better. Liquid's HuK, Jinro or Ret, EG's Idra...Morrow and Fnatic's Sen.
Rain has performed better than every one of these players.
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Sad to learn that TSL is loosing a quite good code S player.
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With Naniwa going to Korea, maybe Dignitas would take in Rain for EU/NA tournies?
I'm thinking he'll go to FXO though.
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- He is better off in Korea where he can train with a professional team and a more challenging ladder with the help of a coach.
- He will likely do very well in foreign tournaments for a while
- It is understandable that foreign tournaments are very attractive
- I think he should have attempted to work with a foreign team instead of leaving TSL: participate in some sort of a player exchange/stay oversea in a team house for a month.
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Why would he leave TSL? That team is sponsored like crazy. The only foreign team that could beat that is FXO. It is likely he wants in on FXO considering it's the only foreign team that will go to Korea and other events around the world.
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Liquid.Rain is waaaay too perfect to not happen. GO GET 'EM NAZGUL!
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Even though people hate Rain... he's actually pretty good. Cheesy as hell, but he gets the results. GSL finalist, and good enough to hang around in bottom tier code S. In terms of exposure, I think some teams will definitely take a look at him.
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On June 14 2011 22:15 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 22:02 Zaphid wrote:On June 14 2011 22:00 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Why would any foreign team pick up a player that has been to the GSL finals? Why would any top foreign team without a prohouse pick a player that probably doesn't speak english that well, unless they want to fly him to every MLG/DH/IEM ? Heard about Sen?
Sen has been around long enough too pick-up at least some English. Judging from the few videos I've seen, I'd sad he's better at English than...say, White-Ra, and both of them managed fine.
For koreans however, this would be an uphill battle; remember that someone like Rain dumped school at a much, much earlier age than foreigners which in turn hinder at his ability to progress in a second language.
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He's so bad he needs to find a foreigner team, lol. I feel bad for him, but sometimes you just have to accept the limits of your talent and move on.
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