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On June 14 2011 23:45 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 23:37 Imres wrote:On June 14 2011 23:35 Blasphemi wrote:On June 14 2011 23:20 Joseph123 wrote:On June 14 2011 23:20 imkp wrote:
Don't get all the hate. Yes, he's not amazing by Korean standards but he's still better than every foreign Terran except maybe Thorzain and Select. nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? Dont see a foreigner making code s nevermind a final. fixed Huk is already in Code S, but yeah Rain is way better than guys like Drewbie, Demuslim, Tarson, QXC, Goody, BratOK and a lot of other foreign Terrans. The hate for him is ridiculous.
Nobody is questioning the fact that he's better than those guys (with the exception of QXC when gets some Korean practice going).
People throw this "hate" word around more than they should. It's like Polt whiteknighting all over again. -_-
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I seriously cant believe he have left TSL!?! for a foreign team, well and as far I understand he doesnt got any offers from an foreign team? does any korean got that? + I dont think Rain is that good of a player, hasnt really showed any good results last months if I have missed smth, he did get big spotlight at gsl season 3 after taking the secondplace falling 0-4 to mc tho.
But its cool to see that people want to take part of the foreign scene more
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If not FXO, maybe sixjax? :S
I mean, they have said that they wanted to be the best team in the world and with Artosis being in Korea and GSL maybe he have been tinking about signing a korean?
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FXO Mouz or Dingitas. Sure hes playing shitty but Remember the game he took of MC in the Final he did that straight up.
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This is actually very very indicative.You have to keep in mind TSL is the only team that pays their players as well aside from the money they would earn from a tournament.So if Rain,who is not doing stunning,but is in code S,is getting paid by his team leaves,I think it shows he sees more money and opportunity outside of Korea,at least he thinks that way i assume,when he says he wants a foreign team.
Because lets be honest.Idra left Korea because of the money and that's fine,but i always wondered when are Koreans going to start not only to fly in for a event,but actually stay outside of Korea because we got so much tournaments out here i feel like,if you have a sponsor that is willing to ship you around,you can get obviously more money than being a mediocre player in Korea,you can even stay at home and grind out some of these online tournament for 100$ we got here week in and week out.
The language barrier is still harsh,but its easier for a Korean to learn the basics of english i feel,than for a non-korean to learn korean.
If the western e-sports scene continues to grow at this rate i think were gonna see more and more of these "kinda-good-but-mediocre" Koreans go over to actually stay and compete internationally.
Its just my view point but only the top players have a good reason to play in Korea right now.Everyone else kinda hopes they can become big,but it would be more beneficial for them to go back to school or something.
Oh and just a bit food for thought.There has been a lot of sAviOr discussion about,whether he should be allowed or not to play again in Korea(sc2 as well).
Would it be impossible to see sAviOr himself say:"They wont let me compete here,because of the scandal i was involved in,i cant even get into a sc2 team.Why wouldn't i go for the "easy money" outside of Korea?".All this assuming if sAviOr wants to continue to make a living off playing games at all anymore.
Personally i think if someone like that would offer him self to a foreign team all hell would break loose.
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On June 14 2011 23:49 Keype wrote:I seriously cant believe he have left TSL!?! for a foreign team, well and as far I understand he doesnt got any offers from an foreign team? does any korean got that? + I dont think Rain is that good of a player, hasnt really showed any good results last months if I have missed smth, he did get big spotlight at gsl season 3 after taking the secondplace falling 0-4 to mc tho. But its cool to see that people want to take part of the foreign scene more
In his defense, aside from MarineKing he was the only Terran to be able to take a game off MC during his PvT domination period.
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On June 14 2011 23:48 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 23:45 Blasphemi wrote:On June 14 2011 23:37 Imres wrote:On June 14 2011 23:35 Blasphemi wrote:On June 14 2011 23:20 Joseph123 wrote:On June 14 2011 23:20 imkp wrote:
Don't get all the hate. Yes, he's not amazing by Korean standards but he's still better than every foreign Terran except maybe Thorzain and Select. nice joke so you basically insult Kas and Happy by calling them worse than Rain? Dont see a foreigner making code s nevermind a final. fixed Huk is already in Code S, but yeah Rain is way better than guys like Drewbie, Demuslim, Tarson, QXC, Goody, BratOK and a lot of other foreign Terrans. The hate for him is ridiculous. Nobody is questioning the fact that he's better than those guys (with the exception of QXC when gets some Korean practice going). People throw this "hate" word around more than they should. It's like Polt whiteknighting all over again. -_-
Well the Polt thing is even more dumb as Polt is one of the top 10 Terran's in the world and better than any foreign Terran right now.
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On June 14 2011 21:58 maJes wrote:
I think all the foreign teams already have mascots.
Rofl, so true. Other than that, All About ONE may sign him as well, he would get along well with NamhciR.
On June 14 2011 22:45 legatus legionis wrote:I was gonna write up a quick capture of rain's run through the GSL, but while writing it's all nicely put on the liquipedia page. So read that, he's not a bad player at all. And I think it's tasteless to call him that. I still compiled some quick facts to help combat this negative perception. - He's 17 years old. - Rank 8th in earnings from SC2 worldwide with ~30k USD. - The only player to make it to the finals of Code S without any previous Broodwar experience. - He didn't play in the qualifiers for S1. - Ro32 in S2. Finalist of S3, beating the previous champion Nestea in the ro8. - Then like every other Code S player to make it so far, except for Fruitdealer. Starting the trend of them dropping to the up and down matches and or Code A in GSL Jan. >He lost vs Julyzerg and got into Code A. - GSL March. Ro8 Code A >Losing to Alicia. >But beating Hyperdub in the up and down matches to get back into Code S. - GSL May. 1-2 in group stages, behind July (previous finalist) and Inca (who went on to become the finalist for that seaon). So back into the up and down matches. >Losing to MVP, two time Code S champion and the winner of the World Cup tournament. >But Staying in Code S by beating rainbow, another previous GSL finalist. src: http://wiki.teamliquid.net / http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/index.php / http://www.sc2earnings.com/
He did all of these with the least amount of skill and strategical understanding possible.
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On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote:
i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT?
Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here.
Where are you going to place him?
What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive),
who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now?
etc..
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He is probably good enough to join pretty much any non-Korean team. But I cant see that happening unless he'd move to EU/NA. Sending a Korean to every other EU/NA tourny will be a very costly experience for any team.
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On June 14 2011 23:57 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote:On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote:
i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here. Where are you going to place him? What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive), who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now?
Well if he says that he wants to join a foreign team,I assume he means he wants out of Korea right?
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Hopefully Rain joins FXO. That'd be awesome.
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On June 14 2011 23:59 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 23:57 Grettin wrote:On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote:On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote:
i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here. Where are you going to place him? What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive), who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now? Well if he says that he wants to join a foreign team,I assume he means he wants out of Korea right?
Possibly, but all the questions i asked still stands. Though, it might lower the costs if the team has a gaming house etc. I'm wondering how well Rain speaks english/understands it.
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On June 14 2011 23:57 Djagulingu wrote:
He did all of these with the least amount of skill and strategical understanding possible.
I wish I could no skill my way to a GSL finals, I'm suprised more players don't take the no skill approach to Sc2, as clearly it's working better for him than all but 7 professional Sc2 players. It seems there's something to this no skill approach, perhaps it requires some skill?
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How about everyone stop speculating about self-centered reasons why he'd leave TSL for just a second. Perhaps it isn't about the money, maybe he'd enjoy a chance to live outside of Korea and would like to continue playing at the same time. Regardless there isn't enough information to make a judgement on his true intentions. Making wild assumptions and flaming Rain, at the moment, just makes you look like rampant tools.
I also disagree that he needs to good english to be successful outside of Korea. Many foriegners moved to SK with little to no Korean and made a go of it, no reason anyone can't do the reverse. As for practice partners, you need barely zero english to express/understand "your expo was 60 seconds too late" etc etc. He won't be writing any editorials on broadway plays anytime soon but legions of people have moved to countries where they don't speak the language and made a success of it.
Regardless, best of luck Rain, you've got balls doing this whatever these trolls are saying. And I like balls.
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I'll leave the player quality discussion for what it is...
But, if true, it's an exciting to opportunity to consider. A Korean Pro-Gamer searching for a non-Korean SC2 Team to join. Maybe he will even move out of Korea.
I don't see it being a bad opportunity if a team, who is wants to set-up a team house, to have one or two Korean staying there. If the Koreans have good training mentality it's sure to rub-off.
There will be a language barrier, but there are 2 TL member currently in the oGs House who seem to be able to deal with it.
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It could very well be that he also joins forces with F.United. He probably wouldn't get much playing time in TSL so he figured it would be better for his career to be more active? Dunno 
There are a few team houses in the world outside of Korea (Root, EG soon, Germany, and Sweden). If he wants to move out of the country to participate in all the tournaments and what not, I certainly hope he can speak English a little.
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On June 15 2011 00:02 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 23:59 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2011 23:57 Grettin wrote:On June 14 2011 23:39 ondik wrote:On June 14 2011 21:58 wester25 wrote:
i cant see a top foreign team taking him to be honest. lol at this and all other bashing. You guys do realize he's better than most of the top foreigners, right? RIGHT? Do you realize that money is the deciding factor here. Where are you going to place him? What if he drops from GSL, where are you going to send him? (i.e flight tickets to USA or Europe = fucking expensive), who is he going to practice with? Idra style, while he was in Korea? Would that harm his play and possibly not be as good as he is now? Well if he says that he wants to join a foreign team,I assume he means he wants out of Korea right? Possibly, but all the questions i asked still stands. Though, it might lower the costs if the team has a gaming house etc. I'm wondering how well Rain speaks english/understands it.
Tlo started a pro house in Sweden,Root had a pro house so i assume complexity has one as well,from Incontrols comments i think there is a EG pro house on the horizon.I think team houses are something that foreigners are starting to see the real benefits in living in them so i think in the future we will see almost every serious team have a house.So that would actually take care of some of the life costs.
As far as travel goes,yes its costly,but you already see EG,Liquid FXO flying their players all over the place and i think that as well is going to become more easy as e-sports continues to grow.
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I don't understand why he is leaving TSL to play in a foreign team really. Is there something that if he is on TSL he can't play in as many foreign tournaments? Or is it just that if he is on TSL he has to play in the GSL which prevents him from going abroad?
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