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Alver
Profile Joined November 2010
United States177 Posts
June 13 2011 13:59 GMT
#261
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...


boxers job is to win the game the best way he can. i dont think anyone would say boxers mechanics are in the top 30 anymore. hes almost 10 years older than idra and has alot of responsibility these days, he has to fight smart. boxer knows how to make a player like idra go on tilt and he HAS to do it if he wants to win, and its not by playing macro style every game.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 13:59:31
June 13 2011 13:59 GMT
#262
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...


are you fucking serious? You just bumped in to this thread with 14 pages just to say "BoxeR cheesed".

What is the basis for that expert analysis of yours?
oGs420
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada46 Posts
June 13 2011 14:00 GMT
#263
On June 13 2011 20:44 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote:
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.


It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.


Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.


1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game
2) he makes proxy barracks there

boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it

And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 13 2011 14:01 GMT
#264
On June 13 2011 22:28 Keula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.

You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.


Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.


How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.

Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )

What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?


Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.


Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on.
How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea?
You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?


Plenty of people hate it when players demonstrate a lack of sportsmanship. Popular sports' official Associations constantly promote fair play and respect in an attempt to weed out all the bullshit that has crept in with the mass media. Players actually get fined severely when they don't behave, especially if it's during an actual game (they get fined for the bullshit they do in their private lives as well, by their own teams).

He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.

As for the community BM, I agree it's quite bad these days. Then again, players are supposed to be the role model for the community, and since you claim Idra has the biggest fanbase outside of Korea, it's hardly surprising.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
June 13 2011 14:01 GMT
#265
On June 13 2011 22:59 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...


are you fucking serious? You just bumped in to this thread with 14 pages just to say "BoxeR cheesed".

What is the basis for that expert analysis of yours?


relax man, he didnt murder anyone
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:03:07
June 13 2011 14:02 GMT
#266
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...

seriously ppl need to stop calling it cheese, its a pressure build, he build a factory and stop sending more marine in g1 and in g2 he float his 2rax to his base and didnt do dmg at all to idra. even if its cheese so what he play to win
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
June 13 2011 14:04 GMT
#267
2:0 Idra. Easy.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 13 2011 14:05 GMT
#268
On June 13 2011 23:04 bLooD. wrote:
2:0 Idra. Easy.


Prepare to be dissapointed.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
June 13 2011 14:06 GMT
#269
lol BoxeR didn't cheese. BoxeR fuckin won. just like that little brilliant bastard deserved to win.

play the player, not the game, is all that comes to mind.

grack will live. and his hatred for the disgraceful terrans will live on. trust and believe you fanbois.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13414 Posts
June 13 2011 14:07 GMT
#270
On June 13 2011 23:05 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:04 bLooD. wrote:
2:0 Idra. Easy.


Prepare to be dissapointed.


or do you mean prepare to be

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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 13 2011 14:11 GMT
#271
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote:
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda


You realise who BoxeR actually is, don't you? Counting him out in any situation is completely idiotic. GJ on the win BoxeR.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:42:57
June 13 2011 14:36 GMT
#272
On June 13 2011 23:00 oGs420 wrote:
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?


are you for real? Oo
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
June 13 2011 14:39 GMT
#273
No GG for the Emperor is a declaration of war to the whole South Korea, for god sake Idra you don't want this!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 13 2011 14:40 GMT
#274
Both builds were pretty standard by Boxer (he's done variations of both countless times in competition), and well practiced and prepared on their respective maps.

The truth is, IdrA seem underprepared or off his game a little, particularly in the second game. I can't put my finger on it, though.

The first game was just straight-up Terran abuse, bunkering a fast-expanding Zerg is as standard in ZvT as a Toss pylon-blocking an expansion. The second game was weird. IdrA was in great shape, but had a bad engagement in a choke and that was that.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:47:26
June 13 2011 14:43 GMT
#275
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...


You didn't actually watch Boxer back in the day, did you?



Three bunker rushes in a row. In the finals. This is (part of) why we worship The Emperor.

People watching and playing SC2 think that cheese is so terrible, but the fact is that it's a large part of the game, and always has been. If you can't deal with cheese, then you're playing greedy, and not taking the proper steps to defend yourself.
♥
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 13 2011 14:58 GMT
#276
On June 13 2011 23:00 oGs420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 20:44 twndomn wrote:
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote:
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.


It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.


Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.


And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?


Blasphemy!!!

ahhhhhhhh how dare you!!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
June 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#277

1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game
2) he makes proxy barracks there

boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it

And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?


You don't know the definition of mediocrity.

Mediocre is your job. Your house. Your life. Your grammar.

BoxeR pioneered the terran race. He beat people that IdrA would have been crushed by, under circumstances that are almost unwinnable. Have you ever seen a BoxeR comeback? Not one?

Extraordinary. That BoxeR, is the one who pwned your demigod earlier.

Get used to it, I think him and MMA are gonna roflstomp lots of good ones on the way to the top.
Ladygaga
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway16 Posts
June 13 2011 15:23 GMT
#278
On June 13 2011 23:01 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:28 Keula wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.

You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.


Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.


How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.

Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )

What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?


Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.


Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on.
How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea?
You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?




He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.

.



Problem?

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Johnnybb
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark486 Posts
June 13 2011 15:26 GMT
#279
The Gracken is gonna win this!
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
June 13 2011 15:33 GMT
#280
On June 13 2011 23:01 Talin wrote:

He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.


Tell me: if Lady Gaga flicked everybody off in all of her music videos, and still had that fanbase, can you honestly say that the majority of people are disturbed by her actions?
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