What a way to finish off the NASL, The Emperor himself up against The Gracken. NASL has had its up and downs but this is certainly the note we want to say goodbye to a season of league play. This match will go a long to determining the top 4 positions in division 5. Boxer currently sits on top of the division 5 leaderboard, but without a win over Idra hes unlikely to stay there. As far as I am aware Zenio has already been awarded a walk over win due to a no show on Pain User’s behalf. This should place Zenio on top of the division 5 leaderboard with 10 points for now. Sen with an impressive 4 – 0 record against Protoss is highly likely to snag a win against Socke giving him another 2 points, taking him to total of 11 points. Considering these outcomes Boxer needs to win this match in order to retain his number one ranking. A loss for Boxer would see him drop down to 4th position. A win for Idra will see him move up to 9 points, equal with boxer. A win for Idra will see him take out the 3rd place in this division and drop Boxer down to 4th. The pressure is on Idra to win this match in a clean 2 – 0 to move up to 3rd on the leaderboard, otherwise boxer will receive another point and retain 3rd place in the division.
But there is more on the line here than points. This is the Emperor, and he gave Idra his alternative nick name. These are big named players, playing on a big stage, and at least for Boxer there will be serious consequences on the division standings if he doesn't win.
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ggBet has odds available on this match and there have already been plenty of bets placed. While the odds have been set in Boxer’s favor all the money is going straight to the Gracken. Probably not the best gauge as the site is not available in Korean, but regardless I though there would be a little support for The Emperor in the international scene.
On June 12 2011 22:33 Benjef wrote: FYI Painuser said he was playing his last game in his apology :D. But good read anyway, can't wait for this should be a great game :D
Right. I figured from the video on WP.org he wasnt going to play it. I'll make some edits.
edit: on second thoughts Zenio is going to roll Pain User anyway, I dont think this match is going to change things.
On June 12 2011 22:33 Benjef wrote: FYI Painuser said he was playing his last game in his apology :D. But good read anyway, can't wait for this should be a great game :D
Right. I figured from the video on WP.org he wasnt going to play it. I'll make some edits.
edit: on second thoughts Zenio is going to roll Pain User anyway, I dont think this match is going to change things.
Here's the grand finals scenario, courtesy of the numbers aficionado motbob:
motbob wrote: With Zenio's automatic 2-0, the situation is quite simple: * If BoxeR wins, he's in the finals. If Sen wins, he's in the finals as well. If either BoxeR or Sen loses, Zenio is in. And if Sen loses and IdrA beats BoxeR, IdrA is in. Simple!
NOTE: Painuser is out of NASL, so Zenio takes a 2-0 win.
BoxeR clinches a spot in the finals with a 2-0 or 2-1 win over Idra.
Zenio clinches a spot in the finals with a BoxeR loss OR a Sen loss.
Sen clinches a spot in the finals with a 2-0 or 2-1 win over Socke.
IdrA clinches a spot in the finals with a 2-0 or 2-1 win over BoxeR AND a Sen loss.
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
Rooting for BoxeR and for interesting chat, whether or not that's allowed. I love the gracken but BoxeR is like a human being with special powers and we all know superhumans > mythical sea monsters. But seriously I remember him losing his games vs Idra on the old youtube highlights from Artosis and Husky (or whoever else it was) and wanna see him take the win.
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
BoxeR - IdrA (0-1) Crevasse can be a difficult map for Terran, but the spawn locations will effect who wins a lot. BoxeR, like all of SlayerS's Terrans love his dropships, and depending on where he spawns in relation to the Gracken may change the effectiveness of said dropships. If it winds up being cross spawns, I think that IdrA will take this for sure as he is a superior macro player and the map statistics favor him greatly. Otherwise the game may be closer, but I think that the Grack still has a great chance of winning on this map.
BoxeR - IdrA (1-1) Typhon Peaks is a map that will dynamically change in my opinion depending on where both players spawn. If both players spawn top or bottom, I think BoxeR will take the game because you can siege up on the high ground by your opponent's third and create a nearly unbreakable position while punishing your opponent's third base. I think that BoxeR can definitely take this map depending on the spawns and how he decides to play it. Game 3:Xel'Naga Caverns: TvZ: 33-36 (47.8%)
BoxeR - IdrA Brain: (1-2); Heart: (2-1) I think that everyone can agree that as far as a final showdown map goes, this is by far the best map that could have been chosen. I feel like the most incredible games played always seem to be played on this map (either here or Metalopolis). Plus, this map has been played more than both of the other two maps put together. Xel'Naga Caverns is certainly the perfect setting for a final showdown. I think IdrA will win this match due to the fact that usually this map has standard, long, games, and unless BoxeR does something original (and probably cheesy) I doubt he has a chance at beating IdrA here. I'm rooting for BoxeR, as this fight certainly feels like a Good vs Evil match-up, and I think that sadly the man in the villainous, black, leather gracket will take this game. That being said I'll be rooting for BoxeR, as he's a true hero of the past.
EDIT: Changed the map statistics so they're from May 1st to June 12th just to be a bit more accurate in representing the current metagame.
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
Well first map is heavily favored towards the zerg while 2nd is a little, 3rd however is terran favored. Not that that means much but i expect Idra to 2-0 Boxer. In worst case scenario Boxer wins 2-1, no way he can 2-0 and no way Idra wins 2-1.
On June 12 2011 22:30 RJau wrote: The pressure is on Idra to win this match in a clean 2 – 0 to move up to 3rd on the leaderboard, otherwise boxer will receive another point and retain 3rd place in the division.
Nope. Idra winning 2-1 will put him at 7-2 and 8 points and ahead of Boxer (who also has 7-2 and 8 points) because Idra beat him in the head to head.
Idra just needs to win to get ahead of Boxer.
If Sen and/or Zenio lose their games, Idra has the playoff spot.
idra can defiantly win it if he has the confidence going up against a top notch player like boxer. If he does he wins it..if not then another MMA repeat?
idrA is really on his ball with ZvT. Dispite the fact that he was shaky against MMA, he will completely crush a terran that doesnt play his absolute A-game.
I'm rooting for boxer simply because it would be great to see him at the offline finals. I'm pretty confident the gracken will be able to make it through the playoffs. Boxer, not so much. Hes kind of erratic and especially with lag against the top tier players in the playoffs I'm not sure how well he will perform.
Actually does anyone know if the playoffs are online/offline? I'm just assuming they are online here as it seems the more likely arrangement.
So boxer winning really seems like the best outcome for me, as a fan of both players.
On June 13 2011 02:05 SuperStyle wrote: Well first map is heavily favored towards the zerg while 2nd is a little, 3rd however is terran favored. Not that that means much but i expect Idra to 2-0 Boxer. In worst case scenario Boxer wins 2-1, no way he can 2-0 and no way Idra wins 2-1.
I doubt BoxeR will win 2-0, but IdrA could easily win 2-1. Both of the first two maps are definitely possible for IdrA to win, but in no way is Xel'Naga somehow un-winnable for a Z in TvZ. Xel'Naga is a pretty balanced map, but a lot of the games on the map are really old, like GSL Open Season old (aka nobody understood the game that well and every Terran all-ined, and on a 2 player map all-ins are very effective). If you look at more recent games the statistics become more and more even. Actually, since May 1st, Xel'Naga TvZ has been slightly in favor of Zergs.
IdrA 2-1 is actually my prediction, and I hope that the game goes to Xel'Naga as some of the best games I've ever seen have happened there (I don't know who remembers TLO vs Hyperdub way back in the GSL Opens, but that was a crazy long game with one of the greatest comebacks I've ever witnessed).
I haven't seen a whole lot of Boxer's play in sc2, but I'm rooting for him! From what I have seen though, he isn't as good as he was in Brood War. If I had to guess, I'd say 2-1 IdrA wins.
On June 13 2011 03:03 iyoume wrote: i'm sure MMA informed BoxeR after he got back to the SlayerS house from MLG that all you need to do to beat idra is kill your own CC.
so with that knowledge, i don't see how BoxeR can lose
Rofl! Yes, as soon as Boxer kills his own CC, you can expect Idra to GG.
Wouldn't Boxer by in contention for overall #1 seed if he beats Idra? That alone is reason enough not to try. Thanks to the silliness that is the NASL bracketing system, no one in their right mind wants the #1 seed.
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
Zenio is better than IdrA
Zenio's ZvZ is better than IdrA's. Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not nearly at the level that IdrA is at. IdrA's TvZ is one of the best in the world and BoxeR will have a very hard time dealing with it. However, while IdrA's standard play is really good, you never know exactly what BoxeR will do. Hopefully these games will be better than Zenio vs BoxeR, and frankly I hope that BoxeR wins ^^
Boxer will shock everyone by playing the match as protoss, will hallucinate a bunch of void rays and then proceed to destroy his own nexus, forcing the inevitable gg from Idra.
Ya I was looking at the standings the other day and I was sad to see that Boxer actually needs to win this at least 2-1. Even if Socke takes down Sen, Boxer would still end up 3rd if he doesn't lose 1-2 to IdrA (unless they go by their record not by points when they are tied).
SlayerS seems to have TvZ figured out at this point, so I'm pretty sure that Boxer has a shot at this, and he'll definitely have a few tricks up his sleeve.
On the other hand, I must stress out again that the decision to play games exclusively on NA server is awfully unfair for a de facto global league (regardless of how the competition is called). It's so disappointing that most NA tournament organizers insist on this, while at the same time depending on non-NA players to show up to raise the skill level and hype / view counts to justify the prize money they're throwing into it.
Oh shit, haven't really followed NASL at all to be honest, but definitely tuning in to this one. There's nothing I wanna see more than Boxer getting some well deserved wins. He played too well in the Super Tourny to have lost so soon =(
Oh damn, this is all the motivation I need to tune in! Not too sure about predictions since I feel it could go either way, but I want BoxeR to succeed in international tournaments so my heart is with him!
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
Zenio is better than IdrA
Zenio's ZvZ is better than IdrA's. Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not nearly at the level that IdrA is at. IdrA's TvZ is one of the best in the world and BoxeR will have a very hard time dealing with it. However, while IdrA's standard play is really good, you never know exactly what BoxeR will do. Hopefully these games will be better than Zenio vs BoxeR, and frankly I hope that BoxeR wins ^^
I agree that Idra's ZvT and ZvP are better that Zenio's, but saying his ZvT is among the world's best is WAY overstating it. It's great considering NA server's standards, but many EU and particularly KR zergs are much better at ZvT.
I dunno, I just can't like Idra's game, he's so fragile and weak in his mind. As soon as an opponent changes the scheme, he crumbles. He's good against passive enemies, his style is only great against turtle terrans.
He DID beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match though, gotta give him that.
On June 13 2011 04:36 edc.initiative wrote: Didn't IdrA beat BoxeR in an epic ladder game a long time ago? Regardless of that, I believe IdrA will win, as long as he is confident.
On June 13 2011 04:36 edc.initiative wrote: Didn't IdrA beat BoxeR in an epic ladder game a long time ago? Regardless of that, I believe IdrA will win, as long as he is confident.
boxer was new to sc2 then. I still think idra's better, zvt is his best matchup, and he matches up well against boxer stylistically. Idra 2:0 and if it does go idra 2:1 the game he loses would have been close. I can't count ever count boxer out though. This is going to be epic.
Boxer fighting! Although winning matters, I'm more excited for an action packed game between the two I remember the first game that Artosis casted between the two, and that was one sick game Looking for another one of those ^^
The playoff scenario the OP writes is actually wrong, as the OP doesn't take into account head-to-head in the first determining factor and not points. Boxer will always be ahead of Sen so the worst that Boxer can do is 3rd.
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.
No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
Zenio is better than IdrA
Zenio's ZvZ is better than IdrA's. Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not nearly at the level that IdrA is at. IdrA's TvZ is one of the best in the world and BoxeR will have a very hard time dealing with it. However, while IdrA's standard play is really good, you never know exactly what BoxeR will do. Hopefully these games will be better than Zenio vs BoxeR, and frankly I hope that BoxeR wins ^^
I agree that Idra's ZvT and ZvP are better that Zenio's, but saying his ZvT is among the world's best is WAY overstating it. It's great considering NA server's standards, but many EU and particularly KR zergs are much better at ZvT.
I dunno, I just can't like Idra's game, he's so fragile and weak in his mind. As soon as an opponent changes the scheme, he crumbles. He's good against passive enemies, his style is only great against turtle terrans.
He DID beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match though, gotta give him that.
You must not watch his zvt's on whoever he faces. Also You say idra did beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match did you know Idra beat MVP on steppes of war in GSL when MVP was on his hot tvz streak? Unfortunately for idra he got close positions game 3 metal and lost.
He had MMA beat but gg'd because he's silly but just because of that doesn't mean he isn't amongst the best. His mentality may not be but it is without a doubt that his zvt is amongst the best in the world hands down.
Wish I didn't work though so I could watch this T_T. Will watch the restream tomorrow :D
On June 12 2011 23:28 Ansinjunger wrote: Rooting for BoxeR and for interesting chat, whether or not that's allowed. I love the gracken but BoxeR is like a human being with special powers and we all know superhumans > mythical sea monsters. But seriously I remember him losing his games vs Idra on the old youtube highlights from Artosis and Husky (or whoever else it was) and wanna see him take the win.
Now that is simply not proven. You are talking about a mythical sea creature that is also a tactician. I think the odds are pretty close to 50/50 in the superhuman vs mythical sea creature fight. In the real fight I would prolly go with Boxer but it would depend on initial map and how grumpy IdrA is.
1. Boxer builds a barracks on the choke, second barracks on the ledge, the flies it down and starts pumping marines (That or he just proxies his 2nd rax) 2. Idra holds early pressure with minimal damage, Boxer just flies his 2nd rax back into his wall 3. Idra starts powering, Boxer rushes into reactor starport for medivacs 4. Boxer drops 8 marines in the tiny space between the minerals, maximizing damage while zerglings rush and die, many drones die 5. Idra sends his first mutas into harass, they see a turret 6. Idra tilts and GGs
I REALLY hope Boxer starts off the first match by saying "Hi Grack." Everyone would go crazy and love him for it. Hopefully if he doesn't plan on it, someone will convince him, but I highly doubt it.
On June 13 2011 03:25 Darclite wrote: Boxer will shock everyone by playing the match as protoss, will hallucinate a bunch of void rays and then proceed to destroy his own nexus, forcing the inevitable gg from Idra.
But on a serious note, I think Boxer 2-1.
No bro, Remember in the old pokemon episodes where they randomly learned abilitiies? It's going to be like that. Boxer is going to practice so hard that his marines learn hallucinate thor. After that he clicks the self destruct button on his cc (put there for convenience) and IdrA auto ggs.
On June 13 2011 03:25 Darclite wrote: Boxer will shock everyone by playing the match as protoss, will hallucinate a bunch of void rays and then proceed to destroy his own nexus, forcing the inevitable gg from Idra.
But on a serious note, I think Boxer 2-1.
No bro, Remember in the old pokemon episodes where they randomly learned abilitiies? It's going to be like that. Boxer is going to practice so hard that his marines learn hallucinate thor. After that he clicks the self destruct button on his cc (put there for convenience) and IdrA auto ggs.
Marines with hallucinate marines It's all you need broh!
Are yous sure they'll actually play? I'm betting Boxer didn't want to play because he already qualified. NASL won't tell us since they want everyone to still watch and make money off of us.
On June 13 2011 08:53 vict1019 wrote: Are yous sure they'll actually play? I'm betting Boxer didn't want to play because he already qualified. NASL won't tell us since they want everyone to still watch and make money off of us.
You make it sounds as if they're an evil corporation for trying to make money.
On June 13 2011 08:53 vict1019 wrote: Are yous sure they'll actually play? I'm betting Boxer didn't want to play because he already qualified. NASL won't tell us since they want everyone to still watch and make money off of us.
You make it sounds as if they're an evil corporation for trying to make money.
I make it sound as if they're an evil corporation for trying to make money by LYING.
On June 13 2011 08:53 vict1019 wrote: Are yous sure they'll actually play? I'm betting Boxer didn't want to play because he already qualified. NASL won't tell us since they want everyone to still watch and make money off of us.
Actually, Boxer isn't qualified for the final bracket. Sen, Zenio, and Idra are only 1 loss behind him. And Boxer's point differential isn't so great because he had a bunch of 2-1 victories. The only way Boxer could advance with a loss is if Zenio and Sen both lose.
Cant bet against the emperor and hes beat idra calibre zergs in the NASL such as Sen but fallen to others such as zenio (id put zenio slightly above sen and idra though regardless of his slightly inferior record)
On June 13 2011 09:01 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: OMG I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS TODAY THANK YOU IF BOXER WINS I WILL STUDY SO MUCH HARDER FOR EXAMS OMG PLEASE DONT BAN SORRY FOR CAPS IM SO HAPPY
GONNA WATCH!!!
Omg gonna be so epic, such an epic finale! I wonder if it was intentional. Either way, GOGO BOXER FIGHTING!
You should edit that, if you talk about getting banned thats a reason to ban you, its called martyring and its in the TL rules.
So just edit out the part about getting banned, im not sure if the rules apply to it in that context usually its for something like "ban me if you want but this is my oppinion blablabla"
On June 13 2011 13:07 skatbone wrote: Ouch. GG Boxer. Nice early pressure (knowing when to retreat in Game 2) and solid unit control in the face of Idra's infestors.
Wait, what? How exactly was Boxer's unit control solid when his units were neural parasited and fungaled? IdrA once again decided it was a good plan not to lose his spine crawlers and instead of waiting for broodlords, he massacred his own units pouring them in a choke as wide as a bunker. Don't get me wrong, Boxer's attack was well thought out, with two thors preventing the sniping of tanks and whatever was on the edges, which made the push oh so much stronger since the leapfrogging tanks were all alive the moment Boxer knocked down IdrA's rocks, but Boxer didn't exactly win with solid unit control, he won because IdrA, although amazingly talented, is impatient as they come.
Still, I wish I lived in California Boxer going to the US. So jelly now
ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
On June 13 2011 13:18 Alabasern wrote: Idra could've bounced back in game two...
But I'm guessing he doesn't want to deny the fans SlayerS_`BoxeR in the NASL Season One Grand Finals!
Yea... idra lost so that boxer could go to the final... right.
Idra is a rage quitter news flash, im zerg and i was VERY much pleased boxer beat him Emperor FTW. Was fun to see boxer being boxer though Gretorp made it less enjoyable <.<.
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. and if you paid attention to that game that is EXACTLY what happened. his army melted once the terrain regained control of his units. he needed to just be fucking patient and wait for the broods to finish, but he didnt and got over anxious and threw the game away once again.
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. and if you paid attention to that game that is EXACTLY what happened. his army melted once the terrain regained control of his units. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
Annnnnd.. What happens in those 9 seconds where BoxeR's things where neural'd? They definently couldn't of hit his own units. Nah not at all. No loses for BoxeR at all. Admittedly I didn't watch the match, but your analogy is terrible.
Unless you mean he neural'd quite literally everything of BoxeR's.. But then IdrA would of had to be maxed on infestors? :S
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. and if you paid attention to that game that is EXACTLY what happened. his army melted once the terrain regained control of his units. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
Annnnnd.. What happens in those 9 seconds where BoxeR's things where neural'd? They definently couldn't of hit his own units. Nah not at all. No loses for BoxeR at all. Admittedly I didn't watch the match, but your analogy is terrible.
Unless you mean he neural'd quite literally everything of BoxeR's.. But then IdrA would of had to be maxed on infestors? :S
you should watch the game then. he NP nearly all the thors and tanks then A moved his mutas and blings into the choke. he killed all the rines but after the NP wore off boxer still had a shit ton of tanks and a few thors left over. since he did all boxer had to do was rally his marines back to the choke and run over the rest of idras units.
what happened was idras units was still in the choke when NP wore off. so the remaining tanks that regained control melted the rest of his ground army while the remaining thors and marines melted the mutas.
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
what you described somehow doesn't sound like a mindless a-move
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
what you described somehow doesn't sound like a mindless a-move
dont know how else to explain it to u if u havent seen the game.sure he NPed the tanks, but the rest of his units? he A moved them into the choke once he NPed them without realizing that it was to much for him to handle. bottom line is he was impatient. after the NP wore off boxer still had a shit ton of tanks left over and alot of marines being rallied to reinforcing the choke. a zerg does not fucking engage a terran in that tight of a choke period. he couldnt even get a good surround on most of boxers units and idras army was just being funneled into the choke.
just watch the damn game and look at how many units boxer had left over. the game speaks for itself.......
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
what you described somehow doesn't sound like a mindless a-move
dont know how else to explain it to u if u havent seen the game.sure he NPed the tanks, but the rest of his units? he A moved them into the choke once he NPed them without realizing that it was to much for him to handle. bottom line is he was impatient. after the NP wore off boxer still had a shit ton of tanks left over and alot of marines being rallied to reinforcing the choke. a zerg does not fucking engage a terran in that tight of a choke period. he couldnt even get a good surround on most of the units and it was just funneled in.
perhaps he was impatient, and perhaps he made a bad decision. but he DID have a plan, and didn't mindlessly a-move. that's just silly
On June 13 2011 13:17 Ballistixz wrote: ya not gonna lie. idra played like a idiot those 2 games. he could have easily just waited till his broodlords were done before mindlessly A moving into a choke full of marines, thors, and tanks -_-
i guess fungaling + neural parasiting pretty much everything is mindlessly a-moving. are you fucking blind?
NPing all the tanks and thors mean nothing when they all regain control again in 9 seconds. NP alone was not gonna save him since once the the tanks and thors regain control they will just anniliate everything in that choke. he had to wait for broods.
so yes he did mindlessly A move into a choke FULL of tanks thors and rines. like i said, NP lasts 9 seconds, so once the tanks and thors regain control his army will melt inside that choke, PERIOD. he needed to just be fucking patient and waited for the broods to finish.
what you described somehow doesn't sound like a mindless a-move
dont know how else to explain it to u if u havent seen the game.sure he NPed the tanks, but the rest of his units? he A moved them into the choke once he NPed them without realizing that it was to much for him to handle. bottom line is he was impatient. after the NP wore off boxer still had a shit ton of tanks left over and alot of marines being rallied to reinforcing the choke. a zerg does not fucking engage a terran in that tight of a choke period. he couldnt even get a good surround on most of the units and it was just funneled in.
perhaps he was impatient, and perhaps he made a bad decision. but he DID have a plan, and didn't mindlessly a-move. that's just silly
ya and he abandoned that plan for being impatient. any zerg player can tell u not to engage a terran army in a choke point like that at all. it just will not end well. idra made like5-10 spine crawlers to delay the push a bit longer while waiting for broods. but instead he atks into the choke instead of waiting for the broods to finish.
did u see the game at all? he literally threw the game away when all he had to do was wait like a few seconds more for broods to get done....
it was a bad position to atk, plain and simple. and atking into a choke point like that in any kind of situation IS mindlessly throwing ur army away. anyone can tell u that. he had broods on the way, all he had to do was let them finish.
Well it seems likely that idra probably didn't even try that knowing his past actions. I mean even if he won 2-0 he is still relying on socke beating sen for this match to make a difference, which is was pretty damn unlikely. Idra just seems the type to not bother on pointless matches.
On June 13 2011 03:25 Darclite wrote: Boxer will shock everyone by playing the match as protoss, will hallucinate a bunch of void rays and then proceed to destroy his own nexus, forcing the inevitable gg from Idra.
On June 13 2011 02:31 Disquiet wrote: I'm rooting for boxer simply because it would be great to see him at the offline finals. I'm pretty confident the gracken will be able to make it through the playoffs. Boxer, not so much. Hes kind of erratic and especially with lag against the top tier players in the playoffs I'm not sure how well he will perform.
Actually does anyone know if the playoffs are online/offline? I'm just assuming they are online here as it seems the more likely arrangement.
So boxer winning really seems like the best outcome for me, as a fan of both players.
i agree
i like watching both players' game
rooting for idra maybe mc to take the series though
On June 13 2011 13:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: IDRA WAS ROFLED STOMPED
OMG HAHA
Good job Boxer! See what 14 hours of practice a day from someone as experienced as Boxer does :D
Yeah, it must take hours and hours to be able to build bunkers, like in game 1.
It must take hours and hours of slacking off to not realise that those two bunkers didn't matter....
Run zerglings around around them and ignore them to cut of reinforcements.... build one spine crawler out of range and have it poke them to death.
And expand while that is happening. Then continue playing. Not lol run a few lings at them and wonder why they don't die.
i woulda loved to see a spine built out of range... marine in bunker have range 6, spine also 6 right? i'm very curious where the spine could be placed.
people need to drop the " OMG IDRA SO BM" shit, its stupid. he didnt gg because he didnt think they were good games, which is infact what gg means. stop blowing out of proportion.
On June 13 2011 14:46 Warrice wrote: people need to drop the " OMG IDRA SO BM" shit, its stupid. he didnt gg because he didnt think they were good games, which is infact what gg means. stop blowing out of proportion.
people still shake hands in other sports even if the games weren't good.
On June 13 2011 13:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: IDRA WAS ROFLED STOMPED
OMG HAHA
Good job Boxer! See what 14 hours of practice a day from someone as experienced as Boxer does :D
Yeah, it must take hours and hours to be able to build bunkers, like in game 1.
It must take hours and hours of slacking off to not realise that those two bunkers didn't matter....
Run zerglings around around them and ignore them to cut of reinforcements.... build one spine crawler out of range and have it poke them to death.
And expand while that is happening. Then continue playing. Not lol run a few lings at them and wonder why they don't die.
i woulda loved to see a spine built out of range... marine in bunker have range 6, spine also 6 right? i'm very curious where the spine could be placed.
A spine could be placed out of range. They're 7 range.
On June 13 2011 13:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: IDRA WAS ROFLED STOMPED
OMG HAHA
Good job Boxer! See what 14 hours of practice a day from someone as experienced as Boxer does :D
Yeah, it must take hours and hours to be able to build bunkers, like in game 1.
It must take hours and hours of slacking off to not realise that those two bunkers didn't matter....
Run zerglings around around them and ignore them to cut of reinforcements.... build one spine crawler out of range and have it poke them to death.
And expand while that is happening. Then continue playing. Not lol run a few lings at them and wonder why they don't die.
i woulda loved to see a spine built out of range... marine in bunker have range 6, spine also 6 right? i'm very curious where the spine could be placed.
As someone above said... spines = 7 range and outrange a bunker. I am gold.... I am not top league but even I know (especially seeing as thats all terran do at gold ... lol bunker rush) how to deal with something that basic. And idra started off good. He sent his lings to cut of reinforcements.... but instead of building one spine to kill the bunkers once the reinforcements stopped he ran those few lings... like 10? into 2 bunkers with 3-4 marines inside. That was the most stupid move in the world. Didn't even bring a queen to help. Either a really really bad misclick or just a complete brain fart and forgetting how to deal with a really common terran attack. And he had two bases... its not like he couldn't have taken the third quickly after that to be one ahead of boxer. He wasn't behind really at all.
A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
^^ Your being a fucking drama queen. Idra is good for esports because he is exciting to watchand controversial, Boxer is good for esports because of what you mentioned. Boring is bad for esports and that's it.
On June 13 2011 15:23 Waking wrote: ^^ Your being a fucking drama queen. Idra is good for esports because he is exciting to watchand controversial, Boxer is good for esports because of what you mentioned. Boring is bad for esports and that's it.
On June 13 2011 13:56 chadissilent wrote: You really weren't around these guys in BW were you? Tasteless and Artosis were like the rest of x17 at the time -- skilled, BM trolls.
Yea I'm pretty sure both Tasteless and Artosis were 15 years old at some point in their life
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
I just have to say I love your post and I agree completely, Boxer is just so inspiring to anyone who knows his history. I mean SC2 would have probably existed, but it would just be another game.Boxer is the one who truly gave life to e-sports IMO
game 1: i fully agree with idra's no gg, he has said before if he thinks it was a good game then he'll gg. Frankly speaking, game 1 was not a good game, merely a proxy 2 rax bunker rush that idra didn't scout. I know, I myself feel like hitting something when i lose to a proxy 2 gate, so i understand idra feeling the same way when losing ot the terran equivilent. Game 2: this one i don't agree with idra's no gg. Boxer started with a proxy 2 rax that idra scouted, causing boxer to abandon the bunker rush then transition into blue flame hellions. both player played a heavily macro focused game until idra was on hive tech with 10 infestors with neural parasite and a greater spire just completeing and brood lords beginning to morph. Boxer had a bio mech army and attacked through the back door rocks. idra mass neural parasited yet somehow still lost everything, i personally think it was due to seige tank splash, but boxer managed to get into the natural and destroy the morphing brood lords. Both players played an excellent game, if anything idra played a better game, however boxer's play can't be denied, he also played brilliantly. The map was the main downfall for idra. spawning vertical positions on typhon allowed that immensely difficult push to form, mainly due to the narrow corridor that linked the two naturals. It was about as fair a map as the pre fix shakuras was. close ground or cross positions would have been a much closer battle, however with that corridor available, the push was nigh impossible for idra to hold. so in that respect i do understand his frustration with that loss. just when it looked like he would hold, everything fell apart for him.
I would have agreed with Idra if he got 11/11ed. but seriously dude... what BoxeR did was 12/14 or something... It is very common and standard early pressure.. why no gg?
On June 13 2011 16:17 namedplayer wrote: I would have agreed with Idra if he got 11/11ed. but seriously dude... what BoxeR did was 12/14 or something... It is very common and standard early pressure.. why no gg?
People just have to realize that Boxer is the Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky of esports, he has heart and he's scrappy despite his age.
Idra is like Kobe Bryant or Brett Favre, always followed by controversy, quite good, but in it for the money, not the joy of the sport. If you realize that and are a fan of Idra, you understand the lack of gg. It's not ok, but neither is idra
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
Good post, but (I'm pretty sure) IdrA isn't trying to be like Boxer. He is a good player who is known for BM, which brings a lot of excitement to games... so while he will never gain the same amount of respect as Boxer has, and may never play with the same spirit... that's fine.
On the other hand, I do agree that IdrA's choice to not GG is disrespectful to Boxer... but it really should be left at that. I think it was a poor choice, and it doesn't reflect well on him, but some people have been blowing it way out of proportion and taking it to personal attacks in the other thread (and possibly this one; I haven't looked around) which just gets ridiculous.
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
On June 13 2011 17:10 mbr2321 wrote: I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
On June 13 2011 17:10 mbr2321 wrote: I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
On June 13 2011 16:31 Carson wrote: People just have to realize that Boxer is the Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky of esports, he has heart and he's scrappy despite his age.
Idra is like Kobe Bryant or Brett Favre, always followed by controversy, quite good, but in it for the money, not the joy of the sport. If you realize that and are a fan of Idra, you understand the lack of gg. It's not ok, but neither is idra
I just came here to LOL at everyone that lacks faith in The Emperor but somehow manages to believe in the self-defeating Idra. Free liquibet points for meee! Lag what? It's fucking BoxeR!
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
First one was a coinflip. But, how was the second a coin flip? He played very smart. He opened risky, when it failed he sat back and pushed just before broodlords. Greg simply got outplayed, just like when BoxeR dropped from code S. happens to all the good ones.
He just doesn't have to be such a douche. Member, he's still gettin some bucks. for playing a fucking video game. people with the job of a "progamer" will never really be taken seriously. except by people like you and I.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
1. You don't have to be a douche because you didn't like the way you lost.You can still GG in the act of sportsmanship. There is no definition of a "good game", that's why GG is best viewed as an act of sportsmanship, a handshake.
2. "So what if it was BoxeR". It's BoxeR, you GG the emperor for obvious reasons.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
exactly.
And imo, his proxy in game 2 is so nice that we'll see it more often on the ladder (the timings were good, so it's perfect :p)
On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote: A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history. In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
what he said
idras mother should question her upbringing methods, cause of all the shit idra does, this is probably the worst bad manner yet. no boxer, no sc scene, and greg fields the superstar is just another socialy inadequate white boy that gets picked on in college.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky.
A well planned targeted strategy in a strategy game is called a gimmick?
Why do people have to use negatives when someone wins with anything beside a straighforward long macro game. It's either cheese or all-in or gimmick or rush or timing attack all said like it's something horrible.
It's funny how, no matter what game you play competitively, people are always looking for excuses when they, or their favorite player, lose a game. Please, if you call Boxer's strat "gimmicky" read this.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game, he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
He has no respect for his opponents, so it's really good he lost even if he showed a great game for the second game. For the first game he acted quite stupidly, he sent not enough zerglings to break the contain and got outplayed by scvs repair micro.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky.
Except Boxer does it literally almost every game, in every matchup, against any player, and always transitions easily into a macro game even when absolutely no damage is done.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky.
Except Boxer does it literally almost every game, in every matchup, against any player, and always transitions easily into a macro game even when absolutely no damage is done.
Can you link a replay please in which he cheesed a protoss, i would really love to see that. He cheeses zergs, because there is no risk, thats all
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky.
Except Boxer does it literally almost every game, in every matchup, against any player, and always transitions easily into a macro game even when absolutely no damage is done.
Can you link a replay please in which he cheesed a protoss, i would really love to see that. He cheeses zergs, because there is no risk, thats all
Boxer vs Nightend TSL3 ro32 game 2. Whithout the lag it was a free win.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control).
i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
He's got the largest fanbase because of his personality. It's entertaining to some. Guess you need a villain for everything, even sc2.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
We are not in a professional tournament representing sponsors and gaming teams. Your comparison is meaningless.
Idra has the largest fanbase cause he's the best zerg outside of korea AND other zergs love him for all the balance stuff he's sprouted since release.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control).
i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra?
idra might be one of the best mechanical player in the NA but certainly you cannot expect him to beat a class S player in any department including that.
i predict a 2-1 win to boxer, with idra stealing a win due to this game being so easily to play
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
We are not in a professional tournament representing sponsors and gaming teams. Your comparison is meaningless.
Idra has the largest fanbase cause he's the best zerg outside of korea AND other zergs love him for all the balance stuff he's sprouted since release.
U could say the same about Huk ( death threats few month ago), MC ( throat slice ) etc. Whats the difference. All sports represent sponsors. It has always been like that since he started playing. Do the sponsors have problems with that? obviously not.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control).
i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra?
yet, people give idra shit not MC.
because mc's style of bm is more calculated, its mostly showmanship and not emotional so i would argue its not bm at all, but lets say it is. idra style of bm is very uncalculated, he doesnt have half the showmanship but 10x the emotion (mostly negative emotion)
when is the last time idra made a big show for a crowd? when mc did his throat slash thing the crowd was screaming his name and he probably felt like a stimmed marine ready to shoot down a battlecruiser. i dont think losiras mechanical skill level is past idras to any significant degree but losira never lost his cool and mcs high died down because people arent half as excited about losira vs mc as idra vs mc. if idra could actually pump up the crowd mc style and play better by feeding off the crowds energy i think idra would be atleast 50k richer right now.
Nice article. There's no rule against cheesy rushes, but there's also no rule that states one must gg after a match. Both Boxer and Idra played within the rules, so why the fuss?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control).
i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra?
yet, people give idra shit not MC.
The difference between IdrA bm and MC bm is that MC does it for the show and makes the matches that much more interesting, while IdrA is genuenly raging at the balance of sc2 and that harms his play too much.
I don't understand how anyone can honestly say IdrAs behaviour is justified, and I'm not talking about the not GGing to The Emperor (which is a real D move, I'd cream my pants from just being close to him).
The whole reason why IdrA was fun to watch while BMing a few months ago is because he was actually playing good. Now when he does it, he goes berserk and just plays against him self.
Nice article. There's no rule against cheesy rushes, but there's also no rule that states one must gg after a match. Both Boxer and Idra played within the rules, so why the fuss?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
not saying idra shouldnt have gg`d but proffesional football players actually dont shake hands after matces Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
Take a look at Boxer vs Sen a few weeks back in the NASL, the 2rax preasure is hardly a cheese tactics, he always expands behind it. The only difference is that Sen defended it better and the games went on to be the best TvZ I have ever seen, while IdrA was unable to defend it for whatever reason.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
not saying idra shouldnt have gg`d but proffesional football players actually dont shake hands after matces Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
You're quoting a European In real football, aka soccer, players and managers shake hands before and after a game. To not do so is seen as a show of disrespect, and is usually newsworthy.
Idra's reason for not doing it is that he doesn't agree with the custom, but sadly that's a pretty immature response. You don't necessarily follow peoples' customs because you agree with them, you follow them as a sign of respect.
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
boxers job is to win the game the best way he can. i dont think anyone would say boxers mechanics are in the top 30 anymore. hes almost 10 years older than idra and has alot of responsibility these days, he has to fight smart. boxer knows how to make a player like idra go on tilt and he HAS to do it if he wants to win, and its not by playing macro style every game.
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
are you fucking serious? You just bumped in to this thread with 14 pages just to say "BoxeR cheesed".
What is the basis for that expert analysis of yours?
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
Plenty of people hate it when players demonstrate a lack of sportsmanship. Popular sports' official Associations constantly promote fair play and respect in an attempt to weed out all the bullshit that has crept in with the mass media. Players actually get fined severely when they don't behave, especially if it's during an actual game (they get fined for the bullshit they do in their private lives as well, by their own teams).
He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.
As for the community BM, I agree it's quite bad these days. Then again, players are supposed to be the role model for the community, and since you claim Idra has the biggest fanbase outside of Korea, it's hardly surprising.
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
are you fucking serious? You just bumped in to this thread with 14 pages just to say "BoxeR cheesed".
What is the basis for that expert analysis of yours?
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
seriously ppl need to stop calling it cheese, its a pressure build, he build a factory and stop sending more marine in g1 and in g2 he float his 2rax to his base and didnt do dmg at all to idra. even if its cheese so what he play to win
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote: BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda
You realise who BoxeR actually is, don't you? Counting him out in any situation is completely idiotic. GJ on the win BoxeR.
On June 13 2011 23:00 oGs420 wrote: And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
Both builds were pretty standard by Boxer (he's done variations of both countless times in competition), and well practiced and prepared on their respective maps.
The truth is, IdrA seem underprepared or off his game a little, particularly in the second game. I can't put my finger on it, though.
The first game was just straight-up Terran abuse, bunkering a fast-expanding Zerg is as standard in ZvT as a Toss pylon-blocking an expansion. The second game was weird. IdrA was in great shape, but had a bad engagement in a choke and that was that.
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
You didn't actually watch Boxer back in the day, did you?
Three bunker rushes in a row. In the finals. This is (part of) why we worship The Emperor.
People watching and playing SC2 think that cheese is so terrible, but the fact is that it's a large part of the game, and always has been. If you can't deal with cheese, then you're playing greedy, and not taking the proper steps to defend yourself.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
You don't know the definition of mediocrity.
Mediocre is your job. Your house. Your life. Your grammar.
BoxeR pioneered the terran race. He beat people that IdrA would have been crushed by, under circumstances that are almost unwinnable. Have you ever seen a BoxeR comeback? Not one?
Extraordinary. That BoxeR, is the one who pwned your demigod earlier.
Get used to it, I think him and MMA are gonna roflstomp lots of good ones on the way to the top.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.
He's got the largest fanbase? So does Lady Gaga. Mass popularity is hardly a convincing argument these days.
Tell me: if Lady Gaga flicked everybody off in all of her music videos, and still had that fanbase, can you honestly say that the majority of people are disturbed by her actions?
On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote: I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
You didn't actually watch Boxer back in the day, did you?
Three bunker rushes in a row. In the finals. This is (part of) why we worship The Emperor.
People watching and playing SC2 think that cheese is so terrible, but the fact is that it's a large part of the game, and always has been. If you can't deal with cheese, then you're playing greedy, and not taking the proper steps to defend yourself.
Lol this was exactly my thought. People are like "BOXER CHEESED HOW WACK." Uhm what? He is the best bunker rusher of all time, in Starcraft BW his cheeses and his extreme pressure builds made him what he is. And it's not his lack of mechanics or fear of IdrA in the late game, it's the fact that it's the kind of player he is. He will always try to exploit an early game weakness he sees in any player.
How is it cheese if Boxer can still win after it fails? If you followed him at all, you'd realize his main strategy in his entire career has been to keep constant pressure on the opponent so that his games become a low econ struggle. He realizes his micro is his strength so he tries to maximize its potential by minimizing the armies involved. It's both a short and long term strategy. If his opponent dies prematurely, whose fault is that?
What i consider a cheeze is just 5marine+all scv bunkerrush or some sort of a all in autowin, otherwise in such important games as 'finals' im pretty sure that everyone does whatever they need to do in order to win, i dont dislike people for doing standard bunkerrushes and some sort of hidden proxy/raxxes.
Altho i must say Idra is and allways will be my favourite player since he considers himself the best macro player alive, and that where the real skill shines imo ! also he has 6pooled like 3 times since sc2 came out.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
my point still stands
He GG's to players he respects. Watch the TSL 2, he GG's to nOny even after he canceled his CC. How can you not GG to BOXER, I don't care how pissed you are. In sc1 you were a nothing, and now you play one of the most amazing players in a new game and you think you are too good to gg when he beats you? just makes me dislike him more, which I didn't think possible.
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
my point still stands
Just to clarify, your point is that if you're angry you don't have to gg?
On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote: The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM.
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
my point still stands
Just to clarify, your point is that if you're angry you don't have to gg?
no my point is that to expect idra to gg just because he's playing boxer is an irrational expectation. especially after game 1
Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset.
How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself.
Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example )
What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
idra doesn't gg in tourneys though. EVER. to expect him to do so just because he's playing boxer is not a rational expectation
IdrA never GGs? Do you watch his games?
should i rephrase to rarely? and after being bunker rushed would you really expect him to be in a mood to gg in either game?
If I were playing BoxeR, I would GG no matter what he did...
my point still stands
Just to clarify, your point is that if you're angry you don't have to gg?
no my point is that to expect idra to gg just because he's playing boxer is an irrational expectation. especially after game 1
I don't expect Idra to gg to anyone, doesn't mean that I have to have a positive opinion of him. He will always remain a solid player and never attain s-class status (I don't mean code-s) because his terribad attitude will never change.
Idra did GG to Sen and Zenio and then he didn't GG to Boxer?
1) He was pissed after game 1 (bunker rush) then he is childish, because even if you are pissed about your loss you can GG a legend like Boxer if you a mature guy.
2) He doesn't like Boxer for whatever reason (cheesy, gimmicke, not good in sc2, blabla.) then he is childish too because even if you don't like him as a player, you have to respect the man who basically is a hero in esport.
i woulda loved to see a spine built out of range... marine in bunker have range 6, spine also 6 right? i'm very curious where the spine could be placed.
Spine has 7 range.
people need to drop the " OMG IDRA SO BM" shit, its stupid. he didnt gg because he didnt think they were good games, which is infact what gg means. stop blowing out of proportion.
Who cares if they're good games or not, you don't say good game to make your opponent feel good for winning a "good" game, you do it out of common courtesy because it's nice and much more satisfying for the winner. You watch any traditional sport, they always hi five each other at the end (make a line and do it). They don't say, hmm, was that a good game? Maybe not, let's not hi five this time.
Basically, it's a pride issue if you don't gg, which is pretty close to BM. It's not necessarily bad manner, but it's most definitely not good manner either.
On June 14 2011 05:10 Samhax wrote: Idra did GG to Sen and Zenio and then he didn't GG to Boxer?
1) He was pissed after game 1 (bunker rush) then he is childish, because even if you are pissed about your loss you can GG a legend like Boxer if you a mature guy.
2) He doesn't like Boxer for whatever reason (cheesy, gimmicke, not good in sc2, blabla.) then he is childish too because even if you don't like him as a player, you have to respect the man who basically is a hero in esport.
Nah. Not really. You can gg anyone you want. If you're pissed, you're pissed. If you don't wanna gg someone when you're pissed, you just don't. It's not like you go over and break someones nose when you lose. At least Idra doesn't go around making gestures at players. And doesn't rub it into others face when he wins. Maybe he's not the best mannered, but sometime people make it a too big of an issue.
Well they were dissapointing games after a bit of hype IdrA shoulda won that last battle game 2 but I'm sure he'll roll the playoffs unless he goes against Naniwa, MC or Zenio. Don't like the Bo1 seeding though :/ IdrA is just gonna get bunker rushed. He needs to start going pool first against T holy crap.
On June 14 2011 05:10 Samhax wrote: Idra did GG to Sen and Zenio and then he didn't GG to Boxer?
1) He was pissed after game 1 (bunker rush) then he is childish, because even if you are pissed about your loss you can GG a legend like Boxer if you a mature guy.
2) He doesn't like Boxer for whatever reason (cheesy, gimmicke, not good in sc2, blabla.) then he is childish too because even if you don't like him as a player, you have to respect the man who basically is a hero in esport.
Nah. Not really. You can gg anyone you want. If you're pissed, you're pissed. If you don't wanna gg someone when you're pissed, you just don't. It's not like you go over and break someones nose when you lose. At least Idra doesn't go around making gestures at players. And doesn't rub it into others face when he wins. Maybe he's not the best mannered, but sometime people make it a too big of an issue.
Missed the last few MLG's did you?
Anyhow, quite a poor series after all the hype for it. Play-offs might be more interesting because of it tho.
On June 14 2011 05:10 Samhax wrote: Idra did GG to Sen and Zenio and then he didn't GG to Boxer?
1) He was pissed after game 1 (bunker rush) then he is childish, because even if you are pissed about your loss you can GG a legend like Boxer if you a mature guy.
2) He doesn't like Boxer for whatever reason (cheesy, gimmicke, not good in sc2, blabla.) then he is childish too because even if you don't like him as a player, you have to respect the man who basically is a hero in esport.
Nah. Not really. You can gg anyone you want. If you're pissed, you're pissed. If you don't wanna gg someone when you're pissed, you just don't. It's not like you go over and break someones nose when you lose. At least Idra doesn't go around making gestures at players. And doesn't rub it into others face when he wins. Maybe he's not the best mannered, but sometime people make it a too big of an issue.
Missed the last few MLG's did you?
Anyhow, quite a poor series after all the hype for it. Play-offs might be more interesting because of it tho.
I'm so happy boxer won, not only because he is my favourite player of all time... But the gracking wont make me a fan no matter how good mechanics he develop.
On June 14 2011 05:30 sjschmidt93 wrote: Guys.. IdrA doesn't care. He's said the GG is meaningless to him. He'd be just as likely to GG to a random noob than to Boxer, he doesn't give a shit.
No GG is not BM... saying "fuck you" or something is.
You know, I'd love to not have to say "hello" "good morning" or whatever. It's all so meaningless. But, sometimes, you have to accept that you do not determine social conventions, society does. If I'm a soccer player and I meet Pele or whatever, I say hello. It's just common sense.
Just because Idra doesn''t say gg after every game he lost, it does not justfy anything. You are supposed to say gg after the game and that tradition still remains for reasons- showing each other respect as a player(sportsmanship). Do you want people to take esports seriously? How do you expect others to take it seriously when one of the well known players can't even display respect and discipline toward fellow players, tournaments, and most importantly viewers. Do you also think that other players who lose to whether cheese or whatever, they always feel like typing gg? It's just a pure form of respect to the community. You can yell and hit the wall afterward, but you have to do what you are supposed to do.
Ironically, Idra is only one I know that does not gg yet people like him or defend him for what he does. No wonder he continues doing it. Also, if the player cannont control his emotion and maintain his professionalism like that he will likely to have "not so" good tournaments results. Like quitting game early, cheesing 3 of 4 games he lost.
first game idra didn't scout properly by clipping the xel naga watchtowers.
second game idra scouted properly but still got outplayed.
SC2 is a strategy game. idra was outclassed by better strategies both games. just because the game doesn't follow the path in which idra finds comfortable does not make it any less valid.
not gg-ing once you lose when you've been completely outplayed, specially the last game, i think shows idra's unwillingness to acknowledge losing to a better strategy, and with that mentality, regarding anything competitive, one can not expect to become the best or reach one's potential if you cannot overcome this massive hurdle.
Idra never change, like MC Im not sure if his personnality is "real" or an act but its definetly much more interesting to watch than your average hollow progamer.
Saying that if Idra doesnt get outta this habit of early quitting the Koreans are really going to take advantage of his temperment.
To people commenting on people's predictions and what not, you are aware that EU players see the matches a day later than you? It's just something to keep in mind, as it's a bit annoying to read anything on TL when there's been a big match on NASL, but the EU stream isn't done yet.
Kids, IdrA didn't go with the no gg because he dislikes or doesn't respect BoxeR. He had his own reasons, whatever they were. He played Terran in BW and looked up to the Koreans, obviously he would have massive respect for the Emperor. He probably still needs a bit of time after that MLG loss.
On June 14 2011 05:52 Neino wrote: To people commenting on people's predictions and what not, you are aware that EU players see the matches a day later than you? It's just something to keep in mind, as it's a bit annoying to read anything on TL when there's been a big match on NASL, but the EU stream isn't done yet.
Then don't read any NASL related threads, it's that simple. It obviously caters to NA and this thread was made before the NA cast anyways. You can just as easily find out what peoples' predictions are by asking in the live report thread.
On June 14 2011 06:05 Kantutan wrote: Kids, IdrA didn't go with the no gg because he dislikes or doesn't respect BoxeR. He had his own reasons, whatever they were. He played Terran in BW and looked up to the Koreans, obviously he would have massive respect for the Emperor. He probably still needs a bit of time after that MLG loss.
On June 14 2011 05:52 Neino wrote: To people commenting on people's predictions and what not, you are aware that EU players see the matches a day later than you? It's just something to keep in mind, as it's a bit annoying to read anything on TL when there's been a big match on NASL, but the EU stream isn't done yet.
Then don't read any NASL related threads, it's that simple. It obviously caters to NA and this thread was made before the NA cast anyways. You can just as easily find out what peoples' predictions are by asking in the live report thread.
I know, I was reading in it before the match, then later I was gonna read some more, but suddenly there's a spoiler there. It's not like I mind that too much, because it's obviously my own fault for the spoilers, but earlier in this thread (Which I read just now, since the game is done in EU and I wont get spoilers from the thread anymore ) there was this guy predicting that idra would win it easily, and a couple of people from the US is.. uh, mocking him I suppose? Not for the prediction, but just that he stated it after the game was played, it was not ment to be offensively towards NA people whatsoever, just asking people to keep it in mind, instead of "mocking" people who's respective stream has not yet been aired.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
Boxer carefully plans strategies before his games with follow ups knowing that certain things will fail. Don't call what he does gimmicky.
Edit: Watch the other 2 videos to finish the game.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
On June 14 2011 05:30 sjschmidt93 wrote: Guys.. IdrA doesn't care. He's said the GG is meaningless to him. He'd be just as likely to GG to a random noob than to Boxer, he doesn't give a shit.
No GG is not BM... saying "fuck you" or something is.
Who knows what they typed to each other in the B.Net lobby before the game...
But more importantly I feel like Idra threw the games away so NASL would be more successful with SlayerS_`BoxeR` in the grand finals. Game two felt like a giveaway...
... what? intentionally losing? who in their right mind would do that? (sAvIoR excluded) for a place in a very prestigious tourney?
it's called ee han timing. BoxeR saw his oppurtunity and pounced, IdrA defended well with fungals and NPs, but in a choke that tight, you could have 40 infestors, and it would probably have the same result. BoxeR probably practiced that for weeks.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
When it comes to starcraft players, Boxer is a tactical genius. I'm guessing you didn't follow him in BW, so I'm guessing you didn't see this game/
Lol wow, people are still making excuses for IdrA when he is pretty much the ONLY progamer that doesn't GG, then say that not GGing doesn't matter because the only player that doesn't do it says that it doesn't. Cool.
... what? intentionally losing? who in their right mind would do that? (sAvIoR excluded) for a place in a very prestigious tourney?
it's called ee han timing. BoxeR saw his oppurtunity and pounced, IdrA defended well with fungals and NPs, but in a choke that tight, you could have 40 infestors, and it would probably have the same result. BoxeR probably practiced that for weeks.
personally game 2 i think was due to infestors being too close to the NP thor when the np on the thor ran out all the siege tanks fired on it, and the splash killed the infestors........i think......thats kinda what it looked like to me, but id have to re watch the video to be sure though.
On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote: Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
1) boxer observes places they don't scout every single game 2) he makes proxy barracks there
boxer is a tactical genius how does he do it
And seriously, you can't call him the Emperor anymore. He's been getting mediocre results in SC2. Honestly, Code A?
He went 8-1 and won the group. So yeah, he is trash..
No but seriously, BOXER HWAITING!!! I'm so glad to see him in the finals.
Even if he went down to code B, he will always be The Emperor. Always. And stop your QQ. Idra will bounce back. I'm pretty sure he'll make it to the finals too.
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