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On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
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On June 13 2011 22:22 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:19 JKira wrote:On June 13 2011 21:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 20:44 twndomn wrote:On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote:
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in. Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit. So then i guess its a well planned gimmick? Regardless of how well executed, planned and hidden a cheese is, its still gimmicky. Except Boxer does it literally almost every game, in every matchup, against any player, and always transitions easily into a macro game even when absolutely no damage is done. Can you link a replay please in which he cheesed a protoss, i would really love to see that. He cheeses zergs, because there is no risk, thats all
Boxer vs Nightend TSL3 ro32 game 2. Whithout the lag it was a free win.
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On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that?
the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control).
i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
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On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on.
How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea?
You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
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And yes alver, I would have to say your statement is very true.
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On June 13 2011 22:28 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists. Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
He's got the largest fanbase because of his personality. It's entertaining to some. Guess you need a villain for everything, even sc2.
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On June 13 2011 22:28 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists. Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG?
We are not in a professional tournament representing sponsors and gaming teams. Your comparison is meaningless.
Idra has the largest fanbase cause he's the best zerg outside of korea AND other zergs love him for all the balance stuff he's sprouted since release.
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On June 13 2011 22:26 Alver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control). i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win.
Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra?
yet, people give idra shit not MC.
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idra might be one of the best mechanical player in the NA but certainly you cannot expect him to beat a class S player in any department including that.
i predict a 2-1 win to boxer, with idra stealing a win due to this game being so easily to play
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On June 13 2011 22:31 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:28 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists. Ok cool, according to that theory people hate sport in general, especially football, soccer, tennis, icehokey and so on. How come idra still has the largest fanbase outside of korea? You read this thread, and you want to tell me that this community is not as BM as not saying GG? We are not in a professional tournament representing sponsors and gaming teams. Your comparison is meaningless. Idra has the largest fanbase cause he's the best zerg outside of korea AND other zergs love him for all the balance stuff he's sprouted since release.
U could say the same about Huk ( death threats few month ago), MC ( throat slice ) etc. Whats the difference. All sports represent sponsors. It has always been like that since he started playing. Do the sponsors have problems with that? obviously not.
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On June 13 2011 22:32 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:26 Alver wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control). i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win. Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet. Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra? yet, people give idra shit not MC.
because mc's style of bm is more calculated, its mostly showmanship and not emotional so i would argue its not bm at all, but lets say it is. idra style of bm is very uncalculated, he doesnt have half the showmanship but 10x the emotion (mostly negative emotion)
when is the last time idra made a big show for a crowd? when mc did his throat slash thing the crowd was screaming his name and he probably felt like a stimmed marine ready to shoot down a battlecruiser. i dont think losiras mechanical skill level is past idras to any significant degree but losira never lost his cool and mcs high died down because people arent half as excited about losira vs mc as idra vs mc. if idra could actually pump up the crowd mc style and play better by feeding off the crowds energy i think idra would be atleast 50k richer right now.
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Nice article. There's no rule against cheesy rushes, but there's also no rule that states one must gg after a match. Both Boxer and Idra played within the rules, so why the fuss?
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On June 13 2011 22:32 Keula wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:26 Alver wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? the problem is that idra is the best na player mechanically and our hopes are on him to represent na. i dont care if idra makes 'esports look bad', he makes himself look weak minded. people want idra to not fail because he has so much more going for him than the other na players. if idras bm actually made him win games, id be 100% for it. as far as im concerned bm is more of a limiting factor of player performance. idra made himself a 30 foot tall wall of steel (player skill) only to put a tunnel right in front (lack of mental control). i honestly think when idra didint gg against boxer, boxer just gained an insane amount of confidence because he knows he successfully hurt idra mentally which is the most important thing when you arent as strong as him mechanically. mc's style of showmanship can actually make your opponent play worse in the future, idras style makes his opponents play better because they dont have to be better at starcraft than him to win. Absolutely right. It just looks kinda pathetic to me how people in this thread flame idra saying hes BM as shit while they are even worse by far here because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet. Look at MC at MLG. Who was more BM MC or idra? MC was bm to idra after he lost 2-0 then when he went over to him to slice his throat and then again during the rematch and after the rematch. Have u seen something like that from idra? yet, people give idra shit not MC.
The difference between IdrA bm and MC bm is that MC does it for the show and makes the matches that much more interesting, while IdrA is genuenly raging at the balance of sc2 and that harms his play too much.
I don't understand how anyone can honestly say IdrAs behaviour is justified, and I'm not talking about the not GGing to The Emperor (which is a real D move, I'd cream my pants from just being close to him).
The whole reason why IdrA was fun to watch while BMing a few months ago is because he was actually playing good. Now when he does it, he goes berserk and just plays against him self.
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On June 13 2011 22:46 Nakas wrote:Nice article. There's no rule against cheesy rushes, but there's also no rule that states one must gg after a match. Both Boxer and Idra played within the rules, so why the fuss?
Etiquette =/= rules within the game.
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On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? not saying idra shouldnt have gg`d but proffesional football players actually dont shake hands after matces Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
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I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
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On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
Did you watch game 2?
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On June 13 2011 22:53 daRkfalleN wrote:
I am disapoint from Boxer, he cheeze 2 games in row, because he is not sure, that can beat idrA in late game ...
Take a look at Boxer vs Sen a few weeks back in the NASL, the 2rax preasure is hardly a cheese tactics, he always expands behind it. The only difference is that Sen defended it better and the games went on to be the best TvZ I have ever seen, while IdrA was unable to defend it for whatever reason.
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On June 13 2011 22:52 gogatorsfoster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:23 karpo wrote:On June 13 2011 22:10 Keula wrote:On June 13 2011 22:03 Kamikiri wrote:On June 13 2011 21:58 Keula wrote:
The people in this thread are rageing about a guy on the internet because they think he does not have the necessary fighting spirit for a video game.
You guys are even more pathetic than the player itself. Because no matter what he did, half of the people in this thread are even more BM. Idra makes his living off of playing a video game and he quits so quickly and gives up easily what does that say about his character in-game and outside of the game? Also people are talking about how great boxer is who he was and still is, Idra should show some respect to Boxer instead of being BM which is why people are upset. How come u people think it is your decision when he has to leave the game. He leaves when he feels he has lost, it was his decision and it will always be. Hes not playing for you, hes playing for himself. Also the only thing i hear from people who met idra at mlg and incontrol etc is that idra in person is a nice guy ( see last incontrol interview for example ) What is BM? Is it BM if you leave the game not saying GG ? Wow that will sure hit boxer hard, changes his life completely. Its not like he didnt cheese 2 games to win, whats the "good game" in that? not saying idra shouldnt have gg`d but proffesional football players actually dont shake hands after matces Everyone ALWAYS GG's in tournaments. Idra doesn't against Boxer, THE most legendary player in the world. It's just childish and shows unsportsmanlike behavior. It's like a football player not shaking hands after a match or a MMA fighter not showing respect after a fight. People dislike BM and unsportsmanlike behavior, it's pretty obvious to everyone but Idra apologists.
You're quoting a European  In real football, aka soccer, players and managers shake hands before and after a game. To not do so is seen as a show of disrespect, and is usually newsworthy.
Idra's reason for not doing it is that he doesn't agree with the custom, but sadly that's a pretty immature response. You don't necessarily follow peoples' customs because you agree with them, you follow them as a sign of respect.
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