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On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote:
A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history.
In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
I just have to say I love your post and I agree completely, Boxer is just so inspiring to anyone who knows his history. I mean SC2 would have probably existed, but it would just be another game.Boxer is the one who truly gave life to e-sports IMO
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+ Show Spoiler +game 1: i fully agree with idra's no gg, he has said before if he thinks it was a good game then he'll gg. Frankly speaking, game 1 was not a good game, merely a proxy 2 rax bunker rush that idra didn't scout. I know, I myself feel like hitting something when i lose to a proxy 2 gate, so i understand idra feeling the same way when losing ot the terran equivilent.
Game 2: this one i don't agree with idra's no gg. Boxer started with a proxy 2 rax that idra scouted, causing boxer to abandon the bunker rush then transition into blue flame hellions. both player played a heavily macro focused game until idra was on hive tech with 10 infestors with neural parasite and a greater spire just completeing and brood lords beginning to morph. Boxer had a bio mech army and attacked through the back door rocks. idra mass neural parasited yet somehow still lost everything, i personally think it was due to seige tank splash, but boxer managed to get into the natural and destroy the morphing brood lords. Both players played an excellent game, if anything idra played a better game, however boxer's play can't be denied, he also played brilliantly.
The map was the main downfall for idra. spawning vertical positions on typhon allowed that immensely difficult push to form, mainly due to the narrow corridor that linked the two naturals. It was about as fair a map as the pre fix shakuras was. close ground or cross positions would have been a much closer battle, however with that corridor available, the push was nigh impossible for idra to hold. so in that respect i do understand his frustration with that loss. just when it looked like he would hold, everything fell apart for him.
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I would have agreed with Idra if he got 11/11ed. but seriously dude... what BoxeR did was 12/14 or something... It is very common and standard early pressure.. why no gg?
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On June 13 2011 16:17 namedplayer wrote:
I would have agreed with Idra if he got 11/11ed. but seriously dude... what BoxeR did was 12/14 or something... It is very common and standard early pressure.. why no gg?
Idra isn't exactly logical, more emotional.
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People just have to realize that Boxer is the Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky of esports, he has heart and he's scrappy despite his age.
Idra is like Kobe Bryant or Brett Favre, always followed by controversy, quite good, but in it for the money, not the joy of the sport. If you realize that and are a fan of Idra, you understand the lack of gg. It's not ok, but neither is idra
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On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote:
A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history.
In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
Good post, but (I'm pretty sure) IdrA isn't trying to be like Boxer. He is a good player who is known for BM, which brings a lot of excitement to games... so while he will never gain the same amount of respect as Boxer has, and may never play with the same spirit... that's fine.
On the other hand, I do agree that IdrA's choice to not GG is disrespectful to Boxer... but it really should be left at that. I think it was a poor choice, and it doesn't reflect well on him, but some people have been blowing it way out of proportion and taking it to personal attacks in the other thread (and possibly this one; I haven't looked around) which just gets ridiculous.
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On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote:
A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history.
In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
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On June 13 2011 15:19 Reborn8u wrote:
A few thoughts I have on Idra vs boxer. I watched it with my brother who doesn't play sc2, but we've played 1000's of bw games together over the years. He never got exposed to the pro scene though. He couldn't understand why I got so excited after seeing boxer..... well being boxer. I saw the 2 racks and was like "classic boxer" with a big grin. After the match I showed my bro a bunch of highlights of boxer on you tube, "boxers immortal marines", "Greatest comeback ever boxer vs joyo", and various other boxer highlight videos'
My brother's jaw dropped at some of the plays in those videos, we had to go back and watch some parts 3 times.(if you never played broodwar or followed it's pro scene you NEED to go see these videos for yourself to understand the rest of this post) Boxer's friendly tank fire on a marine to kill a lurker, allied mines, the eraser trick, casting 8 lockdowns in 1 second. In my opinion boxer is the most creative player to ever touch a keyboard. He plays to win, and win he does. Boxer doesn't think outside the box, he enters another dimension where that box doesn't even exist. Boxer is the embodiment of fighting spirit. (and after watching MLG it's rubbed off on MMA who never backed down even after the HUGE blunder of killing his own 3rd with a misclick)
As for the NASL match, Boxer played brilliant. Well rehearsed, well executed, with contingencies built in to his plan. Idra on the other hand, went on tilt. I was reminded of a few years ago, watching live the TSL 2 BW, when idra accidentally canceled his CC at his nat when the scv was being harassed by nony's probe. Idra immediately GG'd. He could have tried to rebuild it, or throw down a bunch of factories and pressure/expand. But he just gave up, went on tilt, and the rest is history.
In the last few months I've seen this out of Idra over and over, vs Jinro at GSL, vs MMA at MLG, vs MC at MLG, and now vs Boxer. Idra is a phenomenal macro machine but he could learn a lot from Boxer about fighting spirit.
Boxer has had mandatory military service, physical and mental injuries, people telling him he's too old to be successful, and yet he fights on with all of his heart. It's truly inspiring. He is a legend, one of the founding fathers of esports, a bonjwa of the human spirit.
Idra will never be a shadow of what Boxer is and what he represents, unless he changes. Not giving a GG to the guy who literally made your profession possible shows a complete lack of class, respect, and decency to someone who's earned those things with blood sweat and tears. It also shows a lack of self respect. I have rooted for idra many times but never again, and if you love esports, you shouldn't either.
agree idra is a douche bag with skills /thread
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I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
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On June 13 2011 17:10 mbr2321 wrote:
I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
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On June 13 2011 17:10 mbr2321 wrote:
I don't know why people are even giving BoxeR a chance against IdrA after mlg Columbus. ZvT has long been IdrA's best matchup, and if he does anywhere near as well as he did against MC (ZvP, I know, but his ZvT is better), than BoxeR doesn't have a chance. With that, I've got to hope that PainUser takes out Zenio, or that Socke takes out Sen.
You are poorly informed, my dear sir.
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On June 13 2011 16:31 Carson wrote:
People just have to realize that Boxer is the Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky of esports, he has heart and he's scrappy despite his age.
Idra is like Kobe Bryant or Brett Favre, always followed by controversy, quite good, but in it for the money, not the joy of the sport. If you realize that and are a fan of Idra, you understand the lack of gg. It's not ok, but neither is idra
+ Show Spoiler +Brett Favre is not in it for the money... he's always said he plays because he loves football. That's a terrible assumption.
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The Emperor Strikes Grack!
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I just came here to LOL at everyone that lacks faith in The Emperor but somehow manages to believe in the self-defeating Idra. Free liquibet points for meee! Lag what? It's fucking BoxeR!
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Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
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First one was a coinflip. But, how was the second a coin flip? He played very smart. He opened risky, when it failed he sat back and pushed just before broodlords. Greg simply got outplayed, just like when BoxeR dropped from code S. happens to all the good ones.
He just doesn't have to be such a douche. Member, he's still gettin some bucks. for playing a fucking video game. people with the job of a "progamer" will never really be taken seriously. except by people like you and I.
wanna act all hard? UFC's where it's at.
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On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote:
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
Gimmick by your shallow knowledge of the game. If you are actually observant, you would have notice it was not gimmicky. Boxer's barrack location and follow-through are carefully planned and practiced. As matter of fact, Boxer's win over Sen has also shown that he "Targets" opponent, devised a plan to exploit.
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On June 13 2011 20:30 oGs420 wrote:
Wait so, Boxer goes for two gimmick strategies that worked because he won the coinflip, and Idra doesn't GG? So what if it was Boxer, it was a completely mediocre play.
It's like how everyone got asspained when Idra didn't GG after a 5gate Nexus cancel all-in.
1. You don't have to be a douche because you didn't like the way you lost.You can still GG in the act of sportsmanship. There is no definition of a "good game", that's why GG is best viewed as an act of sportsmanship, a handshake.
2. "So what if it was BoxeR". It's BoxeR, you GG the emperor for obvious reasons.
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On June 13 2011 18:05 Telcontar wrote:
The Emperor Strikes Grack!
Ahahahahaha, well played :D
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