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On June 06 2011 20:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
probably just a mistake / misjudgement on idras part..you cant see through the fog of war..some peoples comments remind me of donks criticizing poker players because they see the hole cards, and are suddenly insightful geniuses.
Personally I hate watching players like moon who refuse to GG until they are at 10 supply with 2 buildings left..
Idra takes so much heat every time he loses..lets start a thread up about how naniwa got completely destroyed by MC after he fucking danced his zealots gloating like a retard which lost him the game. or ANY of the other competitors the koreans destroyed at MLG. Idra got 4th. koreans swept 1-2-3.
so koreans>idra>everyone else
The thing is you'd expect a player of Idra's caliber to not gg so prematurely.
Sure, people make mistakes but Idra has had a problem of gg'ing prematurely for quite a while now. Honestly, you saw the look on Day[9]'s face. He's definitely a better SC2 player/analyst than the vast majority of us and he seemed extremely surprised too...
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On June 06 2011 20:39 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... lmao, Idra's the best thing EG has to offer.
I dare to disagree with you both :D
InControl is amazing, Machine is a beast and DeMuslim is epic. And the rest of their rooster is pretty impressive.
As for being kicked out of EG - don't think that will happen because of something like that. Idra might have personality issues, but doesn't means he's useless to the team. In football teams (soccer for the NA liquidians), there are often that sort of players being successful and clubs hanging onto them. Examples are so many that I can't bother to mention any. Just look at any mid-to-top european team and you'll notice those types of players in almost each one of the teams.
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On June 06 2011 20:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
probably just a mistake / misjudgement on idras part..you cant see through the fog of war..some peoples comments remind me of donks criticizing poker players because they see the hole cards, and are suddenly insightful geniuses.
Personally I hate watching players like moon who refuse to GG until they are at 10 supply with 2 buildings left..
Idra takes so much heat every time he loses..lets start a thread up about how naniwa got completely destroyed by MC after he fucking danced his zealots gloating like a retard which lost him the game. or ANY of the other competitors the koreans destroyed at MLG. Idra got 4th. koreans swept 1-2-3.
so koreans>idra>everyone else The thing is you'd expect a player of Idra's caliber to not gg so prematurely. Sure, people make mistakes but Idra has had a problem of gg'ing prematurely for quite a while now. Honestly, you saw the look on Day[9]'s face. He's definitely a better SC2 player/analyst than the vast majority of us and he seemed extremely surprised too...
my point is people make mistakes..Idra just gets way more shit than anyone else for his.
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On June 06 2011 20:36 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... He finish that MLG as first non korean without even trying pass day1. How is that bad performance ?! Idra is stupidly good at this game, and he know that. But he still think everyone is as good as him, so he give up the instant he's in a bad spot.
I blame the format first then Idra ^^.
That first day set him up in the best possible place out of all westerners.
Also if everyone was as good as him we would all have dislocated jaws by the sheer amount of WTF? decisions of top players...
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On June 06 2011 20:46 speedphlux wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:39 BasilPesto wrote:On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... lmao, Idra's the best thing EG has to offer. I dare to disagree with you both :D InControl is amazing, Machine is a beast and DeMuslim is epic. And the rest of their rooster is pretty impressive. As for being kicked out of EG - don't think that will happen because of something like that. Idra might have personality issues, but doesn't means he's useless to the team. In football teams (soccer for the NA liquidians), there are often that sort of players being successful and clubs hanging onto them. Examples are so many that I can't bother to mention any. Just look at any mid-to-top european team and you'll notice those types of players in almost each one of the teams.
You clearly like to throw around superlatives. Incontrol is amazing on state of the game, i agree - as a player though? Not as amazing, though he is definately decent. Machine being a beast surely depends on the criterias for a beast, but a 45 % win ratio in tlpd is not what i like to call beastly. But then again he is also a decent player at about same level as incontrol. Demuslim was over their level before he hurt himself and has yet to proven himself again.
Idra is the reason that EG is considered to be equal or almost equal compared to teams like dignitas, mouz and fnatic. But i also agree somewhat with the first poster that Idras mentality is just sooo bad that team EG might need to hire a sports psychologists or something, it will be almost impossible for him to win anything really big with his mind set.
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more like idiot image if you ask me...
IdrA can't be compared to real top progamers until he fixes his mental issues.
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On June 06 2011 14:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 14:06 Mailing wrote:On June 06 2011 14:04 Defacer wrote:On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized. IdrA's really smart, but he's also fucking arrogant if he thinks he can predict the future. Imagine IdrA is a goalie in hockey. A player on the opposing team manages to get a breakway, and is racing towards him undefended. At this point, Idra just skates off the ice, leaving the net open because he just assumes that the opposing player has the optimal conditions to score, is reasonably talented, and will score anyway. GG! IdrA assumes players like MMA don't kill their own orbital or MC let a nydus pop in his main next to a probe. This is not arrogance. He just has this false idea that SC2 koreans are as good as their BW counterparts when in truth is that the koreans make a shit ton of mistakes in SC2 that he could abuse. It's more humble than arrogant to assume your opponent doesn't do stupid shit. Touche. The point is, IdrA's brain and judgement is officially fucked. He's such a talented player but lacks the will, desire, or even hope required to be a truly great player. He has the exact opposite of a never-say-die attitude. Dude needs to see a sports psychologist.
I don't think he lacks the will or desire.
I do think he has a huge mental block holding him back.
I truely believe with his BW background, Korean training history and insane attention to detail when it comes to build orders,
awesome drone timings and high enough APM to compete with anyone...
With all those tools, he is his own worst enemy. If he would change his approach from the "The game is broken. I need to play perfect to win." in to "The game is very challenging. What can I come up with to beat these challenges."
I think its his selfdefeatist attitude and lack of true creativity that is holding this otherwise awesome player back.
What he needs is an elite level SC2 coach.
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djWHEATS facial is one for the history books. Day9's shocking face is nothing compared
From his expression you would think he just got delivered a message, that he has cancer or somthing.
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On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:28 saefok wrote:On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing? ...Must be joking right? I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing.
umm....obviously not? lololol
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On June 06 2011 20:57 Loooui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:46 speedphlux wrote:On June 06 2011 20:39 BasilPesto wrote:On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... lmao, Idra's the best thing EG has to offer. I dare to disagree with you both :D InControl is amazing, Machine is a beast and DeMuslim is epic. And the rest of their rooster is pretty impressive. As for being kicked out of EG - don't think that will happen because of something like that. Idra might have personality issues, but doesn't means he's useless to the team. In football teams (soccer for the NA liquidians), there are often that sort of players being successful and clubs hanging onto them. Examples are so many that I can't bother to mention any. Just look at any mid-to-top european team and you'll notice those types of players in almost each one of the teams. You clearly like to throw around superlatives. Incontrol is amazing on state of the game, i agree - as a player though? Not as amazing, though he is definately decent. Machine being a beast surely depends on the criterias for a beast, but a 45 % win ratio in tlpd is not what i like to call beastly. But then again he is also a decent player at about same level as incontrol. Demuslim was over their level before he hurt himself and has yet to proven himself again. Idra is the reason that EG is considered to be equal or almost equal compared to teams like dignitas, mouz and fnatic. But i also agree somewhat with the first poster that Idras mentality is just sooo bad that team EG might need to hire a sports psychologists or something, it will be almost impossible for him to win anything really big with his mind set.
Aw, c'mon dude. Let's be positive about stuff around here. Trolling and hating is fun and all, but I kinda feel like there's a bit too much of that around here already.
As for why I "hype" so much EG's line-up, it's quite simple. They go to events and perform quite good. I could start criticizing them only when I start doing that stuff they do, but better. And since I'm not - I guess they're great players all around and deserve the superlatives.
I honestly don't have a negative opinion towards anyone who is going out there and performing at tournaments. And I don't think anyone should have negative opinion about those players. There are people afraid to hit the Ladder and we're talking about going out to an event with 250+ players of equal and better caliber and performing well.
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i don't actually know whether i'm an idra fan.
i like his play, but he throws the towel in like a salty kiddo time after time...
why can't he be respectful of opponents? someone who is respectful of his opponents will not prematurely gg.
we all know why the premature gg. it's because idra thought he was going to lose and someone was going to get the better of him... he didn't like it, so he instantly left.
FFS IDRA. MC LOSES ALL THE TIME... GROW A PAIR!
did MMA gg and leave after he killed his own CC?
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On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad...
are you joking? Idras performances are bad? hes only lost like 3 BO x's in major tounaments in the last few months
plus he fact that he finished as 4th against arguably players in the top 3 for their race in korea and the best foreigner WITH all the early gging and senseless rage quitting.
If anything it really shows to EG how good of a player he could really be if he just changed his attitude.
+ the fact that IdrA is a benefit to any team as a practice partner and an ACE player i would put removing IdrA from EG as one of the stupidest things an 'professional' team could ever do.
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On June 06 2011 21:08 speedphlux wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:57 Loooui wrote:On June 06 2011 20:46 speedphlux wrote:On June 06 2011 20:39 BasilPesto wrote:On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... lmao, Idra's the best thing EG has to offer. I dare to disagree with you both :D InControl is amazing, Machine is a beast and DeMuslim is epic. And the rest of their rooster is pretty impressive. As for being kicked out of EG - don't think that will happen because of something like that. Idra might have personality issues, but doesn't means he's useless to the team. In football teams (soccer for the NA liquidians), there are often that sort of players being successful and clubs hanging onto them. Examples are so many that I can't bother to mention any. Just look at any mid-to-top european team and you'll notice those types of players in almost each one of the teams. You clearly like to throw around superlatives. Incontrol is amazing on state of the game, i agree - as a player though? Not as amazing, though he is definately decent. Machine being a beast surely depends on the criterias for a beast, but a 45 % win ratio in tlpd is not what i like to call beastly. But then again he is also a decent player at about same level as incontrol. Demuslim was over their level before he hurt himself and has yet to proven himself again. Idra is the reason that EG is considered to be equal or almost equal compared to teams like dignitas, mouz and fnatic. But i also agree somewhat with the first poster that Idras mentality is just sooo bad that team EG might need to hire a sports psychologists or something, it will be almost impossible for him to win anything really big with his mind set. Aw, c'mon dude. Let's be positive about stuff around here. Trolling and hating is fun and all, but I kinda feel like there's a bit too much of that around here already. As for why I "hype" so much EG's line-up, it's quite simple. They go to events and perform quite good. I could start criticizing them only when I start doing that stuff they do, but better. And since I'm not - I guess they're great players all around and deserve the superlatives. I honestly don't have a negative opinion towards anyone who is going out there and performing at tournaments. And I don't think anyone should have negative opinion about those players. There are people afraid to hit the Ladder and we're talking about going out to an event with 250+ players of equal and better caliber and performing well.
Yeah I am not hating or trolling either, that is why i called them both decent players. And by decent i ofcourse mean compared to other progamers, not the average joe or anything. There are a lot of good pro players and if you call all pros amazing then that word is kinda meaningless after a while and when some players play really amazing like MMA did, what do you call him then? Amazing x1000?
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he simply needs to practice with fantasy, all will be good then
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Hmmm ... God-like sounds good to me Loooui :D
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On June 06 2011 21:08 speedphlux wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 20:57 Loooui wrote:On June 06 2011 20:46 speedphlux wrote:On June 06 2011 20:39 BasilPesto wrote:On June 06 2011 20:29 Lutto wrote:
If idra wasnt so popular he would probably be kicked from EG, his preformance and rage quitting is just bad and the fact that he still states that zerg sucks vs protoss after the last results (even losria vs mc) is just sad... lmao, Idra's the best thing EG has to offer. I dare to disagree with you both :D InControl is amazing, Machine is a beast and DeMuslim is epic. And the rest of their rooster is pretty impressive. As for being kicked out of EG - don't think that will happen because of something like that. Idra might have personality issues, but doesn't means he's useless to the team. In football teams (soccer for the NA liquidians), there are often that sort of players being successful and clubs hanging onto them. Examples are so many that I can't bother to mention any. Just look at any mid-to-top european team and you'll notice those types of players in almost each one of the teams. You clearly like to throw around superlatives. Incontrol is amazing on state of the game, i agree - as a player though? Not as amazing, though he is definately decent. Machine being a beast surely depends on the criterias for a beast, but a 45 % win ratio in tlpd is not what i like to call beastly. But then again he is also a decent player at about same level as incontrol. Demuslim was over their level before he hurt himself and has yet to proven himself again. Idra is the reason that EG is considered to be equal or almost equal compared to teams like dignitas, mouz and fnatic. But i also agree somewhat with the first poster that Idras mentality is just sooo bad that team EG might need to hire a sports psychologists or something, it will be almost impossible for him to win anything really big with his mind set. Aw, c'mon dude. Let's be positive about stuff around here. Trolling and hating is fun and all, but I kinda feel like there's a bit too much of that around here already. As for why I "hype" so much EG's line-up, it's quite simple. They go to events and perform quite good. I could start criticizing them only when I start doing that stuff they do, but better. And since I'm not - I guess they're great players all around and deserve the superlatives. I honestly don't have a negative opinion towards anyone who is going out there and performing at tournaments. And I don't think anyone should have negative opinion about those players. There are people afraid to hit the Ladder and we're talking about going out to an event with 250+ players of equal and better caliber and performing well.
Well, your post sounds like a troll aswell.
You can only criticize a player you are better then? You know incontrol and tyler are criticizing pro players right? And out of the pro gamers that makes a living of this, there isnt many players they are better then.
To the original subject. EG would never ever drop Idra. For now he is their only top player. Machine and incontrol had argueably one of the easier groups in pool play, and yet didnt do very well. Machine abit better then incontrol?
Found it pretty hilarious how Incontrol basicly became the new Last "you are sick good" Shadow with all his comments after the games he lost: "you are in my head" "you dominated me" " you are an incredible player".
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On June 06 2011 21:12 KaidaN wrote:
plus he fact that he finished as 4th against arguably players in the top 3 for their race in korea and the best foreigner WITH all the early gging and senseless rage quitting.
4th at MLG doesn't mean much on its own. The MLG system is weird at best, and you can place high while winning hardly any notable games. See Incontrol. Let's look at IdrA's results:
2-0 Ret. Not bad, but he'd be disappointed if he lost.
2-0 Tyler. Tyler has been very disappointing, IdrA would certainly expect the win here.
2-0 SelecT. See Ret result. Select had a miserable MLG.
2-0 MC. Excellent result.
0-2 Thorzain. Fairly disappointing, but not terrible.
0-2 MMA. What more needs to be said?
2-0 Slush. Very much expected.
0-4 MC. Decent in one game, godawful in the rest.
So overall, what did he achieve? He got a 2-0 over MC in pool play. Other than that? Some good but expected results, a somewhat disappointing one, and two bloody awful ones. That's not a good performance by his standards, not even close.
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Not gonna take the bite - they're pro's, they are in SotG for that reason and they can say whatever they want. Too bad people sometimes take SotG too seriously and think everything said there is 101% true, when in reality, there's a huge dose of fanboism and trolling going on. Just like on these forums.
Anyways, we're drifting off-topic. Last post from me on that matter, before a TLMod comes and swoops us all up.
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I could watch this video a thousand times.
The crowd's reaction gets me every time.
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This "cool image" thing is quite the point towards cultural difference. Maybe if a korean did that it would be, but I don't see an image being formed here - Idra is just being Idra that we all came to know.
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