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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 20 2011 11:58 GMT
#21
I guess its official: Proberto > Dronealdo.

Actually, I think a fair amount of people know of this from VODs and streams I've watched of worker juking to block Zerg's natural.
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 20 2011 12:01 GMT
#22
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno
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Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
May 20 2011 12:01 GMT
#23
You need to micro the drone abit
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 20 2011 12:01 GMT
#24
Blizzard making Zerg underpowered right from the base mechanics :D

Joking aside, great job finding this dude.
memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:04:31
May 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#25
Playing devil's advocate. Think what fixing this would mean for people trying to run away from 12 drone rushes! Zerg player here =P. Great find btw.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
May 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#26
Hmm...

I can't help but think someone like this was done on purpose, it is to make things like Bunker rushes more viable against Zerg because the Drone misses attacks?

Could someone compare a Probe trying to kill an SCV making a building to a Drone? Would there be any difference?
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
May 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#27
Haha that looks so cute ^__^ like a miniature traintrack. Very nice find, love this stuff. Pretty clear and it's bs obviously, should get fixed.
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#28
On May 20 2011 21:03 Dommk wrote:
Hmm...

I can't help but think someone like this was done on purpose, it is to make things like Bunker rushes more viable against Zerg because the Drone misses attacks?

Could someone compare a Probe trying to kill an SCV making a building to a Drone? Would there be any difference?


it affects anything where the targetted unit moves more than 1.1 units in under 0.25 seconds
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
May 20 2011 12:07 GMT
#29
Pretty much every zerg has known the results of this since they started playing and had to try and kill things. Drones are also terrible at attacking SCVs when they move around what they are building.

It would be 10x easier to stop protoss cannon rushes if drones weren't so terrible, and easier to deal with bunker rushes if drones kept attacking the SCV even if it moved while building. Drones really have problems.
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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 20 2011 12:09 GMT
#30
Try it on creep
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 20 2011 12:10 GMT
#31
On May 20 2011 21:09 hugman wrote:
Try it on creep


workers aren't affected by creep -.-
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#32
The real problem with this isn't that Drones are underpowered compared to Probes and SCVs, it's that they're underpowered compared to Zerglings. I'd definitely encourage a fix.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:16:41
May 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#33
and while we are at it regenerating health shield and repair for everyone, also hiding your damaged unit in a building ?

Probes in bw could kite the other workers, you could increase the aspd of scv, by swiftly right clicking on the enemy. and yet it never was a real problem.

So scvs can be sniped while building, this is clearly a disadvantage and should be fixed too ?

the drone was always the weakest worker, thats because you had more then the opponent, because of the early larva mechanic and you can make a weakened drone into a full health building. Its a needed disadvantage to keep the game fair. (first 2 lings can kill the worker, first marine and zealot can't with proper micro, so workers of other races have a bit more free room till the lings come)

And no one forces you to attack that worker with a single drone (they will die anyway even unkited, okay a toss will have to retreat to regen 6 shields). So you need 2 anyway and then this is not an issue. You can't just look at the 1 on 1 even the workers are different in sc.

I mean yeah some are complaining about the probe, can warp in buildings while away, have shield regene for longest time of annoiance etc. But no one ever wanted to have probes (that can kill every other worker with almost no micro), with 0 shield regeneration.

PS: change was sneaked in with the healt nerf on scvs, so please lets revert this fix !
Wtfux
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Northern Ireland163 Posts
May 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#34
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^
Slyce
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom173 Posts
May 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#35
This is defiantly something that needs looking at. I can't see that it is deliberate...

Though I shall be abusing it when blocking 14hatchs. I know I am heartless, but I play Terran... what do you expect from us :D

They should make probes miss... 99% of the time I hate them! making me pull an extra worker just to get my rax up QQ

But seriously, this is bad for the game.
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#36
On May 20 2011 21:14 Wtfux wrote:
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^

I never played BW, but probes were OP according to IdrA. He sounded pretty serious, though it's likely he was joking.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:16:39
May 20 2011 12:16 GMT
#37
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno


Does not matter if it's 1 millisecond if drone can't hit the target then it's unfair.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 20 2011 12:19 GMT
#38
On May 20 2011 21:16 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno


Does not matter if it's 1 millisecond if drone can't hit the target then it's unfair.


well like people have said in BW
workers were vastly different

SCVs had 60 hp
but they couldn't attack unless they were stopped and they had the lowest sloop of all time
SCVs also had a RIDICULOUS attack speed
drones and probes could do moving shot


they were vastly different.
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Wtfux
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Northern Ireland163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:20:01
May 20 2011 12:19 GMT
#39
On May 20 2011 21:15 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:14 Wtfux wrote:
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^

I never played BW, but probes were OP according to IdrA. He sounded pretty serious, though it's likely he was joking.


No probes were deff OP ^_^

Probe Micro
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#40
On May 20 2011 21:19 Wtfux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:15 Ruscour wrote:
On May 20 2011 21:14 Wtfux wrote:
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^

I never played BW, but probes were OP according to IdrA. He sounded pretty serious, though it's likely he was joking.


No probes were deff OP ^_^

Probe Micro


Probe micro was fucking ridiculous....but scvs wrecked buildings fast if you cancel the animations. In BW the workers were so different lol.
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