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Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
May 20 2011 12:26 GMT
#41
i dont understand why blizzard made this intentional...

Good find.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:30:15
May 20 2011 12:26 GMT
#42
On May 20 2011 21:19 MavercK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:16 Alpina wrote:
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno


Does not matter if it's 1 millisecond if drone can't hit the target then it's unfair.


well like people have said in BW
workers were vastly different

SCVs had 60 hp
but they couldn't attack unless they were stopped and they had the lowest sloop of all time
SCVs also had a RIDICULOUS attack speed
drones and probes could do moving shot


they were vastly different.


Ahh yeah so in BW they were different, that's why we need buggy drone in SC2 - just to be different. Good logic
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inFeZa
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia556 Posts
May 20 2011 12:27 GMT
#43
ive actually noticed this ingame, it sounds like the drone attack has missed
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 20 2011 12:27 GMT
#44
On May 20 2011 21:15 Ruscour wrote:
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On May 20 2011 21:14 Wtfux wrote:
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^

I never played BW, but probes were OP according to IdrA. He sounded pretty serious, though it's likely he was joking.


probe had the longest range out of all workers. But that aside, they could just block your only gas early game, and wosh around the base (worker had a better turning speed then lings, etc so they could outmicro 6 lings with easy and keep the gas blocked by always rebuilding it (more an issue for terran, that needed tanks or die once dragoon range finished), oh and they could place manner pylons (block some mineral patches and workers)

awww can't find the vid with the gosu probe micro anymore, was somewhere in pimpest play vids.

Worker micro and chasing was the best in bw ^.^
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
May 20 2011 12:31 GMT
#45
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno

damage point has nothing to do with the actual animation, isn't it? (if you set anim to 2 secs with damage point at 0, damage comes out and anim finishes 2 seconds later?)
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MrStorkie
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:39:01
May 20 2011 12:32 GMT
#46
imo it is designed to be that way.. drones are faster on creep, so it cancels out the delay by a bit

edit: silly me.
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Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
May 20 2011 12:37 GMT
#47
On May 20 2011 21:32 MrStorkie wrote:
imo it is designed to be that way.. drones are faster on creep, so it cancels out the delay by a bit


False, drones are not faster on creep lol.
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
May 20 2011 12:43 GMT
#48
Bring back the BW ranged attack!
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10675 Posts
May 20 2011 12:47 GMT
#49
Well the thing is that with proper unit control, and you can still hit probes / scvs, and also the drones > SCVS and Probes, in 1v1 fight, so no I see no problem here.
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ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:54:28
May 20 2011 12:54 GMT
#50
On May 20 2011 21:47 GGzerG wrote:
Well the thing is that with proper unit control, and you can still hit probes / scvs, and also the drones > SCVS and Probes, in 1v1 fight, so no I see no problem here.


You can't hit if opponents micros his probes/SCVs, did you watch video? It's very unfair for zerg, especially because they need to get their expansion earlier and it is usually blocked by probe/SCV already. Try blocking opponents nexus with drone, you won't keep it alive even for 20 secs lol
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whisp91
Profile Joined April 2010
87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 12:56:23
May 20 2011 12:54 GMT
#51
Its been like this for a long time. Truth be told I dont think it matters, at least not v P (assuming the p doesn't suck). That hatch isnt going down before you pull a second drone or make lings. Also you wont actually take any damage on the drone when they kite like this, acceleration should prevent it.

I have to say im suprised ppl havent noticed it, do they just amove to their expo and figure theyre done ¯\_(ツ)_/¯?

Maybe its a bigger deal in TvZ.
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ket-
Profile Joined April 2010
97 Posts
May 20 2011 12:57 GMT
#52
This is pretty bad considering zergs have to pull drones often vs rushes. Anyone with a bit of kiting/micro can avoid quite a bit of damage from workers, it's not much but I guess it could still make the difference in close fights.
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Pixel.
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands287 Posts
May 20 2011 13:00 GMT
#53
Mmm thats why I could never block a nexus for that long and protoss could block my hatch way longer!
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 20 2011 13:02 GMT
#54
On May 20 2011 21:31 nalgene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno

damage point has nothing to do with the actual animation, isn't it? (if you set anim to 2 secs with damage point at 0, damage comes out and anim finishes 2 seconds later?)


damage point is the delay after the attack has started
it is the exact point damage is applied to target
you change this to sync it with the animation
or for balance reasons
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BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
May 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#55
wow, this needs to adressed by blizzard
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
May 20 2011 13:31 GMT
#56
On May 20 2011 22:02 MavercK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:31 nalgene wrote:
On May 20 2011 21:01 MavercK wrote:
SCV weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range 0.1
range sloop 1

Probe weapon

damage point - 0.1670
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

drone weapon

damage point - 0.2500
period - 1.5
range - 0.1
range sloop - 1

so yea. drone is abit slower
but it's a quarter of a second so i dunno

damage point has nothing to do with the actual animation, isn't it? (if you set anim to 2 secs with damage point at 0, damage comes out and anim finishes 2 seconds later?)


damage point is the delay after the attack has started
it is the exact point damage is applied to target
you change this to sync it with the animation
or for balance reasons
oh just confirming

does sc2 have that range motion buffer thing in the editor? only used the wc3 ones
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YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
May 20 2011 13:36 GMT
#57
That only works with probe on patrol command because if its not on patrol command the probe deaccelerates enough to get hit. And in practice if a player does use the patrol command, the zerg player can easily anticipate the path and get hits off. I'm not sure why Blizzard decided to make the drone hit like this though, maybe it has to do with worker vs worker battles where the drone might survive extra hits because of HP regen so they nerfed it that it always gets hit first.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 16:13:48
May 20 2011 16:13 GMT
#58
On May 20 2011 21:19 Wtfux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 21:15 Ruscour wrote:
On May 20 2011 21:14 Wtfux wrote:
I used to kite scvs in BW with probe micro ^_^

I never played BW, but probes were OP according to IdrA. He sounded pretty serious, though it's likely he was joking.


No probes were deff OP ^_^

Probe Micro


Are you sure he wasn't referring to the $10K Nony Probe from TSL2?
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 20 2011 17:17 GMT
#59
The same thing happens with Dark Templar against workers actually. I noticed this the other day, where the DT attack animation takes too long to actually hit the moving unit even if the DT catches up initially. same thing with the drones I guess :/ That really sucks.
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
May 20 2011 17:20 GMT
#60
On May 19 2011 06:06 ChickenLips wrote:
Where's the drone goddammit??????

That thing is fucking normal-size, normal-shape normal fucking everything and still behaves like a goddamn retard when I get bunker-rushed.

FIX THE DRONE BLIZZARD


See? I'm not crazy
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