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dxong
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 11:43:45
May 21 2011 11:40 GMT
#261
Same issue happening to me and my friend on 2v2, being stuck at Platinum and playing against Master players. Been playing for a few weeks now but still with no promotion to Diamond.
hello kitty
EZR-Aeron
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand64 Posts
May 21 2011 11:49 GMT
#262
On May 21 2011 20:36 svefnleysi wrote:
Your initial placement matches have a higher effect on your MMR than regular matches. So 2-3 in placement and 18-6 total would get you considerably higher MMR than 0-5 in placement and 18-6 total.

Note, however, that 24 matches are a really small sample size and unlikely (though very well possible) to get you promoted (or demoted) anywhere. The system accounts for winning and losing streaks. For example, on a couple different occasions I've had streaks of 10 matches won in a row without getting promoted any time soon.

You can skip a league entirely. The system doesn't promote you until it's relatively certain of where you're supposed to be. (When you're winning and losing consistently against players of that level.)


Ah rite. Although I placed into diamond on NA after going 5-0 this season and went something like 7-9 and got demoted into plat. wouldnve thought id have more of a shot to stay in diamond? clearly not.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
May 21 2011 11:58 GMT
#263
Hmm I always feel demotivated to ladder if I can't get promoted
Dating thread on TL LUL
genesis900
Profile Joined May 2011
17 Posts
May 21 2011 12:34 GMT
#264
oh i was thinking that there must be bug ur something. Just 3-4 days ago started playing 1v1 games, got placed in bronze, even tho i won my placement match. I got ~40wins and 3 losses against mostly gold/silver players and no still no promotion, started to feel kinda annoying
lawl
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 12:55:30
May 21 2011 12:55 GMT
#265
On May 21 2011 21:34 genesis900 wrote:
Just 3-4 days ago started playing 1v1 games, got placed in bronze, even tho i won my placement match.

That placement match has nothing to with it. It doesn't determine which league you get in, it's only there to prevent inactive players froum cluttering the ladder. In terms of you mmr, it doesn't change it more than any other game.
CASLsoju
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada253 Posts
May 21 2011 14:12 GMT
#266
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote:
if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion


Absolutely wrong. I went on a bronze smurf, I won 200 games in a row and got from bronze directly to Gold and then right to Diamond into Masters. You don't need to lose a game. Though it will take longer to rank if you only have pure wins.
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
May 21 2011 14:13 GMT
#267
Ladders been locked all my life. I was playing Diamond level players when I was in silver, then they updated!. And i was still in silver. Played some more,...still in silver...came back a week later, played some more


got into gold. -.-
lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
May 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#268
so thats why today its doomsday?
How do you counter 13 carriers? Well first of all you gave me brain cancer. -Tasteless
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
May 21 2011 14:31 GMT
#269
Does this affect bronze league players?
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
May 21 2011 15:49 GMT
#270
Strange that Blizzard couldn't just inform the players. I guess it's not a huge deal but why lock the rankings and say nothing about it?
Misoza
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia571 Posts
May 21 2011 16:12 GMT
#271
I can only feel that the bug may be exploitable some how, or potentially so. Would explain why Blizz is being coy about the whole issue.
jojoleb
Profile Joined April 2010
Lebanon180 Posts
May 21 2011 17:21 GMT
#272
when will this ladder lock stop ? or should i continue playing normally ?
i hate playing vs diamond players and not get promoted :S
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
May 21 2011 17:50 GMT
#273
On May 22 2011 02:21 jojoleb wrote:
when will this ladder lock stop ? or should i continue playing normally ?
i hate playing vs diamond players and not get promoted :S


You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
StrangrDangr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States291 Posts
May 21 2011 18:00 GMT
#274

You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.


Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch
"I'm on four gates, so technically if I don't win there is something wrong with this game." desrow
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#275
On May 22 2011 03:00 StrangrDangr wrote:
Show nested quote +

You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.


Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch


Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.
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Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
May 21 2011 18:27 GMT
#276
On May 22 2011 03:06 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:00 StrangrDangr wrote:

You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.


Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch


Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.


@Excalibur_Z
Still it's a shame. It means – according to your own findings – all the players that should be demoted/prmoted will have the exact same rating: 73+SeasonPool
This is really a shame, because it's making the ratings even more meanlingless.

I'm +250 above my seasonpool so when I'm promoting it's actually a big loss in rating.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 21 2011 18:35 GMT
#277
On May 22 2011 03:27 Gulzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:06 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On May 22 2011 03:00 StrangrDangr wrote:

You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.


Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch


Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.


@Excalibur_Z
Still it's a shame. It means – according to your own findings – all the players that should be demoted/prmoted will have the exact same rating: 73+SeasonPool
This is really a shame, because it's making the ratings even more meanlingless.

I'm +250 above my seasonpool so when I'm promoting it's actually a big loss in rating.


In the end it doesn't really matter. You'll lose 177 points right after promotion, but if your MMR is still higher than your new rating then you'll just earn more points for each game than you were before your promotion.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 19:00:05
May 21 2011 18:36 GMT
#278
you know, OP, I feel really terrible and grateful for you.
your experiment must have made you regret since you can't play many even skilled players anymore until it is fixed. (that account must have been wasted when you could use it for training off race)
at the same time, I am grateful for you telling me that, I have been playing a lot last week against many golds and won most of them but still no promotion.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
May 21 2011 18:39 GMT
#279
On May 22 2011 03:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:
In the end it doesn't really matter. You'll lose 177 points right after promotion, but if your MMR is still higher than your new rating then you'll just earn more points for each game than you were before your promotion.


Ah good point, excellent point!
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
May 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#280
On May 20 2011 17:53 Azro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote:
Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).

There seems to be a problem with promotion.


your case is a good example that the system is working:
1. points dont matter in regards to promotion
2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too
3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player

just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...


If you have a 50-60% win ratio as TOP diamonds as a platinum, you are not in the right spot and will get promoted.
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