Now after every GSL season we have 3 days of GSTL before next season of individual tournament. So what if they do both of this at same time? I mean GSL form monday to friday, and then one GSTL match at saturday? They could add more teams and do something like Chicane suggested:

On May 10 2011 14:14 Chicane wrote:
I think the best solution would simply be to have 2 groups of 5 where the 5 teams play round robin. The top 2 of each group of 5 go against the 3rd and 4th teams

AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

May 10 2011 14:32 GMT

#362

Wow this is a terrible system considering that IM has 3 of the best players in SC2. It should also count for the player's rank in the tournaments so that a player like Nestea would earn his team more points.

Also, is that supposed to be Turtle Rock?

kirbynator

Canada503 Posts

May 10 2011 14:33 GMT

#363

nothing about it looks like turtle rock... cept there's some water

and the ranks do matter for points, its MVP's fault for dropping to code A and massively losing points for his team

Karthane

United States1183 Posts

May 10 2011 14:37 GMT

#364

Wow. I honestly don't even want to buy a ticket if IM isn't in it.

Really hope Gom tries to fix this somehow

act.hero

United States205 Posts

May 10 2011 14:38 GMT

#365

On May 10 2011 23:21 Zocat wrote:
New rules:
- Last GSL champion's team automatically invited
- Last GSL runner up's team automatically invited

Individual results are pointless. Squirtle all killed a team and has never made Code S. Teams shouldn't be decided by 1 good player.

edit: The Squirtle example is to say that if an entire team is weak except for 1 player (Feb. fOu) a good player (Squirtle) who beats that 1 player (sC) can take out the entire team.

- One foreigner team automatically invited

I don't know how I can put this without "trolling". But that's a terrible idea. Affirmative Action Esports. If foreigners could compete, they'd be competing.

- A poll is added to GOM's website, where fans can vote for their favourite team. Top2 get automatically invited.
- A poll is added to GOM's website, where fans can vote for their most hated team. Top2 get removed.

Popular =/= Deserving. You don't see ROOTDestiny getting seeded in North American tournaments. As cool as he is, you have to win to win. More people watch SeleCT vs IdrA than Destiny vs Combatex, because you want to see good games. Streaming is another story. Don't mistake popularity for audience.

With those rules GOM never has to fear that an underserving team is in the GSTL and every fan is happy with it.

Wrong. Maybe a lot of people get mad at MC for playing in foreign tournaments and they "hate" vote oGs out of the competition. Again, tournaments are not popularity contests.

Btw - "they should wait for Up&Down" - they did. They considered the Up & Downmatches and the Code A qualifiers for GSL March. The next GSTL will consider this ones Up & Down matches & the next one Code A qualifiers.

They definitely should have waited for up and downs. I agree there.

AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

May 10 2011 14:39 GMT

#366

On May 10 2011 23:33 kirbynator wrote:
nothing about it looks like turtle rock... cept there's some water

and the ranks do matter for points, its MVP's fault for dropping to code A and massively losing points for his team

I meant that it should matter within their own tournament as well. For example, Nestea should be worth more than MC because he is going to finish ranked 1st or 2nd in May and MVP should be worth more than every other Code A player other than Bomber.

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

May 10 2011 14:39 GMT

#367

^ Lol @ someone not getting sarcasm.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

May 10 2011 14:41 GMT

#368

I really like the look of that new map! I'm excited to play on it

goiflin

Canada1218 Posts

May 10 2011 14:42 GMT

#369

On May 10 2011 23:21 Zocat wrote:
New rules:
- Last GSL champion's team automatically invited
- Last GSL runner up's team automatically invited
- Last GSTL both finalist's automatically invited
- One foreigner team automatically invited
- If there are not enough foreign players from one team in SK the "Foreigners" team is formed, where every foreigner in Korea is part of. It is, of course, automatically invited. (Yes, that means the "Casting Archon" would participate in a 2vs1 since you never split up archons).
- A poll is added to GOM's website, where fans can vote for their favourite team. Top2 get automatically invited.
- A poll is added to GOM's website, where fans can vote for their most hated team. Top2 get removed.

With those rules GOM never has to fear that an underserving team is in the GSTL and every fan is happy with it.

Btw - "they should wait for Up&Down" - they did. They considered the Up & Downmatches and the Code A qualifiers for GSL March. The next GSTL will consider this ones Up & Down matches & the next one Code A qualifiers.

Edit for derp, I really need to catch some sleep. I can't even detect sarcasm ;_;

DarkRise

1644 Posts

May 10 2011 14:45 GMT

#370

On May 10 2011 23:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Wow this is a terrible system considering that IM has 3 of the best players in SC2. It should also count for the player's rank in the tournaments so that a player like Nestea would earn his team more points.

Also, is that supposed to be Turtle Rock?

This is a team league, you know what a "TEAM" is right?
IM doesn't consist of only Nestea and MVP. The reason they won and 2nd place finish because of the KOTH format.

Terranist

United States2496 Posts

May 10 2011 14:45 GMT

#371

i don't mind the current system. they should not have to kick out one of the other teams to make room for a team that could not field more than three GSL quality players, regardless of how good they are.

AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

May 10 2011 14:46 GMT

#372

Lobo2me

Norway1213 Posts

May 10 2011 14:47 GMT

#373

On May 10 2011 23:38 act.hero wrote:
They definitely should have waited for up and downs. I agree there.

And what if IM didn't get into GSTL previous season because they had waited for up/down, and MVP went down?

The results in the up/down DO count, they count 100% for the next season. Even if MVP/Nestea/Losira fall down to code A next season, they'll still all count as code S players when it comes to seeding for GSTL 4.

Daniri

387 Posts

May 10 2011 14:49 GMT

#374

On May 10 2011 23:24 Nidoa wrote:
Concerning the new map, is the whitey area in the middle of the map walkeable water War3-style? If so, that means no building there, and very limited building at the expansions. No turrets and bunkers until you're across. Limited forward pylon placement. Interesting ideas, wonder how that would play out.

You can build in it.

quaffle

United States249 Posts

May 10 2011 14:54 GMT

#375

oGs overpowered! hehe <3

zerious

Canada3803 Posts

May 10 2011 14:55 GMT

#376

Will be fun to watch fOu get AK'd again

chasmofcrisis

60 Posts

May 10 2011 14:58 GMT

#377

I don't understand why people can clamor for IM to be included when they failed to gather enough points. MVP having a poor run of form and falling to code A is tenuously analogous to a star player getting injured in any another sport. Can we just say that Arsenal deserve the Premier League title because when Cesc and RVP were injury free they were the best team? No. A similar analogy can be made in the NFL. Last year, Tony Romo got injured and the Cowboys missed the playoffs. The team got unlucky/MVP had a poor run of form at the wrong time. It is too bad for them but there is no reason that another team should be penalized because IM fucked up.

Even though this wouldn't affect the current tournament, GOM does need to add a "previous winners automatically qualify" clause to the tournament.

Tachion

Canada8573 Posts

May 10 2011 15:00 GMT

#378

Quality > Quantity. The qualifying teams for this shouldn't be decided just based off of how many random mediocre players they can gather. Not inviting the team that currently has the best team results so far is wrong, no ifs/ands/buts about it.

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

May 10 2011 15:00 GMT

#379

You know, come to think about it, after this GSTL and since we're coming to the mid year mark for 2011, it could be time for GOM to make a new announcement about their upcoming plans and change whatever rules which might be obsolete. Could be a time for them to start experimenting in anticipation for future tournament formats.

Who knows, maybe a month long Team League in place of one of its regular GSLs? This team league will have a bigger prize pool and consist of all 10 teams and will have a single league format rather than the single elimination format they have now.

Only wishful thinking though

Irrelevant

United States2364 Posts

May 10 2011 15:00 GMT

#380

Can't say I disagree with gom, the rules were out and obvious to all since the first GSTL, maybe IM should have been looking to recruit or gotten more of their current roaster into Code A / S. However, at the same time I would like to see the GSTL expand beyond Top 8 just because I want more games! Maybe Top 7 on Points then 8-11 have a play off for the 8th spot, since we really don't have enough teams to do a full Top 16.