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StarStruck
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
On May 05 2011 01:28 TheRabidDeer wrote: Good read Did anybody else read it in day9's voice? That actually happens when I read stuff by anyone whose voice I know, hence... + Show Spoiler + Anypost by djwheat always starts with.... what is up bitches!  Thats a pretty weird picture of day9 though :o, almost like he's analyzing the camera lol. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:38 loveeholicce wrote: How is it undeniable? He doesn't play anymore, I dont see how you could think he knows the game better than pro players who make a living from the game. Day9 is awesome but some people get carried away I have to agree with that, I love Day9 and he has a lot of general rts knowledge, but he doesnt play enough to know the game as much as pros. Still, he deserves a lot of credit for what he does, he is incredibly helpfull for non-pro players. | ||
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novabossa
United States350 Posts
On May 05 2011 01:32 AlBundy wrote: Wow thanks for the link, I love Day9. Some interesting info there: I know some people are doubting Day9's legitimacy, and not aknowledging his views about the game. That is quite deplorable imho  Even if he doesn't play in tournaments, he has a better understanding of the game than a lot of top players, thats undeniable.As much as I love Day9 and how much he contributes to e-sports...it's flat out wrong to say that he has as good of an understanding of the game as the current progamers do. You think that he has a better understanding of the game than a lot of top players? That's just silly. So much of the game can only be learned through playing, and the finest details can only be learned through playing at the top level. It's not really Day9's fault, he simply doesn't have time to play the game as much as the progamers do. Sorry, but I have an issue with people putting commentators on a pedestal above progamers : / | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:10 novabossa wrote: As much as I love Day9 and how much he contributes to e-sports...it's flat out wrong to say that he has as good of an understanding of the game as the current progamers do. You think that he has a better understanding of the game than a lot of top players? That's just silly. So much of the game can only be learned through playing, and the finest details can only be learned through playing at the top level. It's not really Day9's fault, he simply doesn't have time to play the game as much as the progamers do. Sorry, but I have an issue with people putting commentators on a pedestal above progamers : / Well, I may have exaggerated a bit, but "progamer" is a very loose term in NA an Europe, that's why I used "top players". A lot of them are amateurs. So I believe that it's YOU who are putting the "progamers" on a pedestal. I watch the IPL IGN and the NASL, and so far, I've been totally disappointed by both scenes. I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll just say this: Let's get supply blocked! I bet Day9 got better macro. Please notice that I'm not even talking about strategy, because I know that Day9 is a better strategist than a lot of these so-called "progamers". edit, I'm not saying Day9 is BETTER at the game than top players | ||
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zJayy962
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ZealotKiller
Canada161 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:10 novabossa wrote: As much as I love Day9 and how much he contributes to e-sports...it's flat out wrong to say that he has as good of an understanding of the game as the current progamers do. You think that he has a better understanding of the game than a lot of top players? That's just silly. So much of the game can only be learned through playing, and the finest details can only be learned through playing at the top level. It's not really Day9's fault, he simply doesn't have time to play the game as much as the progamers do. Sorry, but I have an issue with people putting commentators on a pedestal above progamers : / The thing is, Day9 has been a progamer for 12 years. For sure, he won't know the current state of the game as much as the progamers, but his experience is far good enough to be able to comprehend that strategies will emerge to make things happen. Take Spanishiwa's build that might not be totally refined yet, and that may be the future of ZvT, where you don't even need that much scouting. Thnking Day9 knows less about the game isn't completely wrong, since he can't follow the trends as much, but he knows his stuff and knows more than certain progamers for being one for 12 years. His experience in progaming transpires from BW to SC2. We cannot put commentators on a pedestral over progamers, but Day9 isn't only a commentator : He is Day9, the man who studies the game and plays as much as he can, and is much better than almost any commentators. | ||
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PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:28 AlBundy wrote: Well, I may have exaggerated a bit, but "progamer" is a very loose term in NA an Europe, that's why I used "top players". A lot of them are amateurs. So I believe that it's YOU who are putting the "progamers" on a pedestal. I watch the IPL IGN and the NASL, and so far, I've been totally disappointed by both scenes. I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll just say this: Let's get supply blocked! I bet Day9 got better macro. Please notice that I'm not even talking about strategy, because I know that Day9 is a better strategist than a lot of these so-called "progamers". edit, I'm not saying Day9 is BETTER at the game than top players Day9 isnt even close to amateur level....if you think hes better in any aspect than the people competing in NASL or IPL you're being silly. DAy9 has better macro than some1 in the NASL? Come on, you realize Artosis could probably 10-0 him no problem lol. He doesn't play the game at the highest level anymore. I'm not blasting the guy. He's awesome, hes funny, his dailies are insightful, and hes a pillar of the community but saying that day9 is even close to being a top player atm is delusional | ||
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:31 ZealotKiller wrote: The thing is, Day9 has been a progamer for 12 years. For sure, he won't know the current state of the game as much as the progamers, but his experience is far good enough to be able to comprehend that strategies will emerge to make things happen. Take Spanishiwa's build that might not be totally refined yet, and that may be the future of ZvT, where you don't even need that much scouting. Thnking Day9 knows less about the game isn't completely wrong, since he can't follow the trends as much, but he knows his stuff and knows more than certain progamers for being one for 12 years. His experience in progaming transpires from BW to SC2. We cannot put commentators on a pedestral over progamers, but Day9 isn't only a commentator : He is Day9, the man who studies the game and plays as much as he can, and is much better than almost any commentators. On May 06 2011 00:31 ZealotKiller wrote: The thing is, Day9 has been a progamer for 12 years. For sure, he won't know the current state of the game as much as the progamers, but his experience is far good enough to be able to comprehend that strategies will emerge to make things happen. Take Spanishiwa's build that might not be totally refined yet, and that may be the future of ZvT, where you don't even need that much scouting. Thnking Day9 knows less about the game isn't completely wrong, since he can't follow the trends as much, but he knows his stuff and knows more than certain progamers for being one for 12 years. His experience in progaming transpires from BW to SC2. We cannot put commentators on a pedestral over progamers, but Day9 isn't only a commentator : He is Day9, the man who studies the game and plays as much as he can, and is much better than almost any commentators. As far as I know day9 quit pro-gaming around 2006 so its not really 12 years, but it is a fairly wrong time. You're right that his career gives him a lot of insight into general RTS knowledge. He knows how to analyze maps, builds, players, etc, but Day9's knowledge in starcraft 2 specifically and his ability to execute the ideas he has (mechanics) aren't at the level of a "top" player. That being said, he's still really good relatively speaking. I'm pretty sure he was around high masters | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
Deeply appreciate all your hard work Sean, if SC2 makes it to become the West's favourite eSport title it'll be largely due to you! | ||
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novabossa
United States350 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:32 PiQLiQ wrote: Great Guy, good interview. PIQLIQ!!!!!! Where have you been all this time? | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
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Leavzou
France156 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:00 artanis2 wrote: The only thing a player can possibly have over a commentator is mechanics. The player doesn't know why they lost until after the game and they can watch the replay. The commentator doesn't have to waste that time playing as well and will learn just as much as the player from a replay. This is not true at all. When you hear analysis from Idra or HuK, it's just freaking obvious that Day9 for example has absolutly noe clue about starcraft 2 in high level. I Loved the 3 videos of day9, when he said it was hardcore analysis, and he just conclued after 2 hours that less than 6 units / minut from a protoss player mean colossi on the way... It was just hilarious... He just ALWAYS give examples of BW, and he think it gives him credibility. He just don't anderstand that it's not the same game, and he lives in the past. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
Between the team members, it takes six to seven hours to produce a show, two to five hours to prepare the actual content, two hours for the streaming, and then generally another hour to do all of the associated bookkeeping (uploading, descriptions, tagging, etc). Funday Mondays generally take all day. Sometimes we'll do a daily on very little prep, but that's about the average. I do this Sunday through Thursday, and I also have daily meetings with my team. We don’t meet on the weekends, since I am generally casting other events. When I'm not actively producing a shoutcast,I'm working on a couple other fun, StarCraft-related projects. Basically, seven days per week, nonstop.hmmm, I wonder what "side projects" day9 has in store for us? also day9 is the new incontrol | ||
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:05 Leavzou wrote: This is not true at all. When you hear analysis from Idra or HuK, it's just freaking obvious that Day9 for example has absolutly noe clue about starcraft 2 in high level. I Loved the 3 videos of day9, when he said it was hardcore analysis, and he just conclued after 2 hours that less than 6 units / minut from a protoss player mean colossi on the way... It was just hilarious... He just ALWAYS give examples of BW, and he think it gives him credibility. He just don't anderstand that it's not the same game, and he lives in the past. Yeah, and this is why progamers ask him to analyze his replays and why he's friends with a massive amounts of them. Oh, wait. Day[9] has an understanding of the game very similar to that of a progamer, because all strategy games, and most things in life have the same core concepts. Figuring out weaknesses to play, where to improve, tweaking redundancy out of your game -- all of these are applicable to SC1, BW, SC2, Age of Empires, Warhammer, Axis and Allies, and Chess. | ||
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Leavzou
France156 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:33 VorcePA wrote: Yeah, and this is why progamers ask him to analyze his replays and why he's friends with a massive amounts of them. Oh, wait. Day[9] has an understanding of the game very similar to that of a progamer, because all strategy games, and most things in life have the same core concepts. Figuring out weaknesses to play, where to improve, tweaking redundancy out of your game -- all of these are applicable to SC1, BW, SC2, Age of Empires, Warhammer, Axis and Allies, and Chess. The pros are actually at a level of knowledge that day9 can't keep with. It might be true a few mouths ago, but now he is just outclassed | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:31 ZealotKiller wrote: The thing is, Day9 has been a progamer for 12 years. For sure, he won't know the current state of the game as much as the progamers, but his experience is far good enough to be able to comprehend that strategies will emerge to make things happen. Take Spanishiwa's build that might not be totally refined yet, and that may be the future of ZvT, where you don't even need that much scouting. Thnking Day9 knows less about the game isn't completely wrong, since he can't follow the trends as much, but he knows his stuff and knows more than certain progamers for being one for 12 years. His experience in progaming transpires from BW to SC2. We cannot put commentators on a pedestral over progamers, but Day9 isn't only a commentator : He is Day9, the man who studies the game and plays as much as he can, and is much better than almost any commentators. Day9 was not a progamer for 10 years. Infact it's kinda a stretch even calling him a progamer at any point in time. Not to mention BW experience isn't particularly relevent here. I see SC2 people claiming all the time 'omg it's a different game don't compare!' but then apparently it's not different when people feel it helps their point. He might be able to understand the game pretty well, hell i mean anyone with decent RTS competitive experience is able to do that without even playing the game. But claiming he has a better understanding than people who play the game extensively every day and has huge amounts of games to draw experience and opinions from, well i believe that is not and cannot be true. Nevertheless, this is besides the topic and it's good that Blizzard is taking note of community figures. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:42 Leavzou wrote: The pros are actually at a level of knowledge that day9 can't keep with. It might be true a few mouths ago, but now he is just outclassed yea, well, ya know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man. | ||
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