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Has there really been a show yesterday?
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On July 18 2013 01:19 Meow-Meow wrote:
Has there really been a show yesterday?
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What was the song played at the beginning of the latest episode (77)?
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Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events.
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On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events.
We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't.
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On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events.
It's a discussion show. Also they never said DotA2 was a better game, or anything remotely close to that. They said TI3 is a much bigger event, which anyone who watches an ESPORTS talkshow already knows.
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On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't.
His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on.
On July 25 2013 01:07 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. It's a discussion show. Also they never said DotA2 was a better game, or anything remotely close to that. They said TI3 is a much bigger event, which anyone who watches an ESPORTS talkshow already knows.
I would say there were a lot of people who didn't know about TI3. I have friends who only watch a little SC2 and could give two shits about dota who asked me about it after the whole blow up. Who knows if they will watch it.
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On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events.
Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3.
It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year.
On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on.
If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway.
In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why.
Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game.
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On July 25 2013 01:12 Spektor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3. It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on. If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway. In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why. Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game.
I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event.
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On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:
I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event.
The problem with that approach is that it absolves Blizzard of blame.
If we can ever hope to get better support for this game we need to call them out on this.
They have shown to be remarkably resistant to change (and common sense) and last thing we need is to send "It's okay." signal.
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On July 25 2013 01:48 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:
I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event. The problem with that approach is that it absolves Blizzard of blame. If we can ever hope to get better support for this game we need to call them out on this. They have shown to be remarkably resistant to change (and common sense) and last thing we need is to send "It's okay." signal.
No, it does. You call them out afterwords and say "Look at these numbers. This is your fuck up for not avoiding this event that has been planned nearly half a year". You can blame people after the fact, you don't need to do so before hand for it to be a complaint.
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On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:12 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3. It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year. On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on. If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway. In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why. Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game. I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event.
So they should rather ignore and complain later? Pros should ignore? What if EG's team actually go into TI3, like TL did? Wouldn't that be different since he would be promoting another division of his team?
Like I said before, if people want esports to be looked at more like a sport, then it will be talked about before, during, and after. Again think of it as two major sports having one year final and another part year final the same day, the athletes would talk about it before, during, and after. To note, TB nor Incontrol is participating in the event itself, so it's not like they are training for that one event like a physical athlete would have to do.
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On July 25 2013 02:21 Spektor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 01:12 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3. It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year. On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on. If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway. In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why. Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game. I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event. So they should rather ignore and complain later? Pros should ignore? What if EG's team actually go into TI3, like TL did? Wouldn't that be different since he would be promoting another division of his team? Like I said before, if people want esports to be looked at more like a sport, then it will be talked about before, during, and after. Again think of it as two major sports having one year final and another part year final the same day, the athletes would talk about it before, during, and after. To note, TB nor Incontrol is participating in the event itself, so it's not like they are training for that one event like a physical athlete would have to do.
No, they just act as they normally would, hype the events they would hype and just deal TI3 later. Its not a weird concept to keep the hype positive for both events and then call Blizzard on their dumb idea after both events are done.
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On July 25 2013 02:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:21 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 01:12 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3. It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year. On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on. If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway. In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why. Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game. I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event. So they should rather ignore and complain later? Pros should ignore? What if EG's team actually go into TI3, like TL did? Wouldn't that be different since he would be promoting another division of his team? Like I said before, if people want esports to be looked at more like a sport, then it will be talked about before, during, and after. Again think of it as two major sports having one year final and another part year final the same day, the athletes would talk about it before, during, and after. To note, TB nor Incontrol is participating in the event itself, so it's not like they are training for that one event like a physical athlete would have to do. No, they just act as they normally would, hype the events they would hype and just deal TI3 later. Its not a weird concept to keep the hype positive for both events and then call Blizzard on their dumb idea after both events are done.
Exactly!
I don't know why people are having a hard time with this concept.
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On July 25 2013 02:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:21 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 01:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 01:12 Spektor wrote:On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. Sometimes people follow more than one esport, like people follow more than one physical sport. No way would people accept an NBA finals on the same day as the Superbowl, like people shouldn't just blindly accept WCS on the same weekend as TI3. It's not about which is "better" or which is being "promoted", it's about the rarity. TI3 is only once a year and features teams from all around the world that have been fighting for this for nearly a year. WCS happens multiple times a year. On July 25 2013 01:12 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 01:04 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
Just listened to this weeks episode, one immediate thought comes to mind.
Marcus, Geoff, guys, given that you're right, there is no way the WCS schedule is changing right now, the best thing to do right now is to stop publicizing the conflict until _after_ the events happens.
The amount of attention you guys are giving DotA2 is like free advertising for TI3. Not that I'm against DotA2, but all this complaining is creating too much negativity around WCS leading up to regional finals. We shouldn't be promoting DotA2 like it's a better game. It's completely not about DotA2 vs SC2. Bottom line: we can't talk about this anymore right now. SC2 fans should just try to hype the region finals as we normally would and let this go.
Don't get me wrong, we may still need to let Blizzard know but we can do that upon completion of the events. We aren't a cult here. We aren't employed by Blizzard. We see something bad, we call it out. You aren't getting a better scene if you don't. His point is that by calling them out, they brought more attetion to TI3. By making a huge deal, forcing Blizzard to responsed and causing the community to get into an uproar, they only increased the exposure for TI3. Anyone who didn't know about TI3 going on that weekend knows about it now. TB did a full video, Incontrol posted on Reddit and TL posted their thread. Its not very productive to tell people about the thing that conflicts with the show you are putting on. If people that are part of gaming community websites didn't already know about TI3, such as TeamLiquid.net who has a team in TI3, then they weren't visiting esports sites too often anyway. In general, people will watch what they will, and if WCS does get lower numbers, Blizzard and the community will know why. Esports should be spoken as a whole, not just a game. I think there is a point that once the teams knew Blizzard couldn't change the dates, there was no reason to freak out about it and just tell everyone "lets wait until after the event." It is just negative publicity for WCS and more attention for TI3. If they raise the complaint after the event and the numbers do reflect a drop off, then they have a legitimate complaint and evidence to back it up. Clearly the community is going to do what it is going to do, but for people like Incontrol and teams like EG, I do feel the best response for them was to play it cool and wait until after the event. So they should rather ignore and complain later? Pros should ignore? What if EG's team actually go into TI3, like TL did? Wouldn't that be different since he would be promoting another division of his team? Like I said before, if people want esports to be looked at more like a sport, then it will be talked about before, during, and after. Again think of it as two major sports having one year final and another part year final the same day, the athletes would talk about it before, during, and after. To note, TB nor Incontrol is participating in the event itself, so it's not like they are training for that one event like a physical athlete would have to do. No, they just act as they normally would, hype the events they would hype and just deal TI3 later. Its not a weird concept to keep the hype positive for both events and then call Blizzard on their dumb idea after both events are done.
They are being as the normally would by calling them out before. That is what they would normally do when they don't agree with a decision. Incontrol even said on ITG that it would be about the same numbers, maybe a little less. They aren't going to gloss over this issue on ITG because it harms numbers. Most people watching ITG already know about TI3 from TL itself. TB is known for stuff besides SC2, including promoting other games, including his DotA 2 learning to play. Fans are mostly complaining if they watch both. If people only watch SC2, then they will watch that. Same for DotA 2. It doesn't make much difference. So whether they talk about it before or not, it doesn't make too much of a difference as fans would already know about this.
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