Wheat was being a total asshole to Destiny right from the start. I mean Incontrol's rant was a bit over the top but it made more sense because he's meant to be a 'hammy' color commentary guy, but Wheat is meant to be a host and that means treating guests fairly not haranguing them from the very start. No wonder Destiny lost it. What a total fail of a host Wheat is- I've lost all respect for him after this.
On October 26 2012 03:36 tomatriedes wrote: Wheat was being a total asshole to Destiny right from the start. I mean Incontrol's rant was a bit over the top but it made more sense because he's meant to be a 'hammy' color commentary guy, but Wheat is meant to be a host and that means treating guests fairly not haranguing them from the very start. No wonder Destiny lost it. What a total fail of a host Wheat is- I've lost all respect for him after this.
Destiny asked to come on when they were already ragging on his reddit post then left in a childish manner. If anyone's position in the guest/host relationship was disrespected, it was DjWheat's.
God damn destiny fanboys making wheat feel bad and causing both LoL and SC 2 reddit to hate wheat. Wheat looked like a broken down man yesterday. #saveWheat
On October 26 2012 03:49 Canucklehead wrote: God damn destiny fanboys making wheat feel bad and causing both LoL and SC 2 reddit to hate wheat. Wheat looked like a broken down man yesterday. #saveWheat
I'm not a Destiny fanboy but if you can't see what a total dickhead Wheat was being with all his swearing and shouting then I don't know what's wrong with you. That would be fine if he was just a guest but he's meant to be the host and Painuser was doing a x100 better job than him moderating the conversation while Wheat just had massive temper tantrums. Did you even watch it?
On October 26 2012 03:49 Canucklehead wrote: God damn destiny fanboys making wheat feel bad and causing both LoL and SC 2 reddit to hate wheat. Wheat looked like a broken down man yesterday. #saveWheat
Wheat was being with all his swearing and shouting
Was that your first time watching djwheat or something? o_O That kind of stuff is normal for wheat. People only got mad at him now cause it was directed at destiny and his fanboys will hate on anyone who wrongs destiny.
The only time wheat even went rage mode was when destiny took the cowards way off the show so idk wtf tomatriedes even thinks he's talking about. Did YOU even watch the show? The only person throwing temper tantrums the entire time was destiny. Every time he opened his mouth.
On October 26 2012 03:49 Canucklehead wrote: God damn destiny fanboys making wheat feel bad and causing both LoL and SC 2 reddit to hate wheat. Wheat looked like a broken down man yesterday. #saveWheat
I'm not a Destiny fanboy but if you can't see what a total dickhead Wheat was being with all his swearing and shouting then I don't know what's wrong with you. That would be fine if he was just a guest but he's meant to be the host and Painuser was doing a x100 better job than him moderating the conversation while Wheat just had massive temper tantrums. Did you even watch it?
DJWheat wasn't acting out of character in the least bit. I don't know how many times I've heard him praised for his 'passion' for e-sports. This was the negative side of that passion, if you consider it a negative thing. I suppose for the very same reason people like Destiny's 'no bullshit' attitude, I like having a host out there like DjWheat who lets his passion out first and answers to the communities vocal minority second.
Where have I seen this before? oh right, milkis and avilo. Seems to always be the same people and i'll doubt they will own up to their mistake. I hope this time people will admit their mistake, learn from it, and move on to be better people.
On October 25 2012 11:59 IdrA wrote: the fact that theres actually people saying im too light on blizzard or that im happy/complacent with what theyre doing is the most damning proof ive ever seen that people will say anything to be obstinate assholes.
Nobody said you are too light on Blizzard, nobody said you're happy/complacent with them. You said, and IncontroL agreed, that pressuring Blizzard is a nonsense, because they didn't do anything noticable to fix the game client and make it more casual-friendly, so can't ecpect them to suddenly change their approach.
Well, i for one disagree, because YOU, the players, commentators, hosts aka PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY never should stop voicing our concerns and thoughts about the game! Because you are being heared, not us!
So when you stopped voicing those concerns, what the community is supposed to do? You can't ignore us! We all see what's going on with SC2 client and how other game's viewer counts rise, but our don't! And then came Destinny. He wrote what he wrote and it was the only thing that community could relate to!
So do you want Destiny to be the voice of the community, or you, IdrA, IncontroL, djWheat?
Idra and Incontrol never stopped voicing. Never. Incontrol does with with more humor, often ridiculing Blizzard's decisions. Idra is definantly more vocal about it and more explicit, which resulted in even Blizzard trolling him with the Hots beta key if anyone sill remembers. And they will always be like that if Blizzard screws up. The topics Destiny brought weren't new, and they were discussed many times before by many different influential persons in the community, including Idra and Incontrol.
The main difference is the attitude. While they disagree, with the way they are supposed to approach to Blizzard and what to expect of them, and they voice in perfectly - imo - especially during the times everyone is acting irrational and overreacting. Which is the freaking job of the people that had been here the longest.
The problem here is, and what hurts my soul, is that they couldn't have an argumented discussion with Destiny at no point of this show. Destiny was interrupting all the time and acting very very immature and this seemed like an argument with your parents when you are like 16 or 17 at most. Which is probably why so many people on reddit agree and praise him, because they are just those kinds of children. Destiny is a smart and passionate individual, but he couldn't calm down and, was jumping from topic to topic and just blaming Blizzard for everything that did, and what he assumed they won't do. Even when the ITG people told him that some of the issues he brought up WILL be fixed in the expansion, he ignored that and immediately jumped to the next issue. He was like a kid that wanted a Playstation for a birthday, and got a bike. Then his parents apologized, and got him a Playstation for his next birthday, but he was like: "ITS TOO LATE NOW, I STILL HATE YOU". He is never going to be happy, if Blizzard implemented the things he wanted TOMORROW, he would still just say: "Pfft, fucking finally!"
You can't turn back time. Yes, it sucked these 2 years that they didn't do the stuff everyone wanted and expected them to do BUT they are either fixing it as we speak or they are aware of it and not doing it for various reasons we don't know. It might be their team is too small, it might be they don't get enough funds for additional programmers, it might be they want to save alot of content and release it as a selling point for an expansion, or they just don't deem them necessary. We. Don't. Know. But they DO care, and everyone knows this. This has been said, and the reasons were speculated on this show by Inc Idra and DjWheat, but to no avail. Knowing all this, it is NOT in our best interest to blame mommy and daddy and/or fight among ourselves, but to freaking unite and do what we can to better our game, our community and raise awareness for Blizzard. That's. It.
Now the part that pisses me off is this: Destiny acted like a freaking teenager. When his argument met a brick wall, he changed the topic. Then when Idra had enough and just said what has been on everyone's mind the entire time, which was the absolute most positive thing anyone can say about the game they love to someone that is clearly too fed up with Blizzard and wont change his attitude, and the high five proceeded to happen (which I view not as a douchy move, but as a comradery "I'm fucking proud of what you said" moment, Destiny then shat on the players, and left as a freaking coward.
Then Wheat lost it, because that's not how arguments with grownups are supposed to go. Nowhere in the freaking world. Nowhere. He lost it, because of the person that has been invited to his damn show, showed no capacity and respect to argue, then left like a child, when he deemed himself fed up enough. Wheat didn't even tell him to fuck off, he was just so mad that he would pussy out like that that he HAD to say something. What he said wasn't coherent, wasn't meant to hurt or belittle anyone, it was just pure rage, disbelief, and dissapointment. And people still got on Destiny's side. People still thought of him as a freaking martyr. I mean... Really? I GET maybe pitting against Geoff and Greg, because they have many haters but DjfreakingWheat? The guy who lives and breathes for this shit?
My faith in humanity is restored. Thank you. Everyone who's raging on ITG, but not with Destiny is blatantly just ignoring asshat things Destiny did the entire interview. That final 'hurrah' as he left was what pushed Wheat into a rage, but conveniently is left out of every argument attacking ITG.
Thought no one will have the patience to read it or understand it xD Thanks man, I hope a lot of other people will realize this and at least stop bashing on the ITG guys impulsively.
On October 26 2012 00:46 CikaZombi wrote: Now the part that pisses me off is this: Destiny acted like a freaking teenager. When his argument met a brick wall, he changed the topic. Then when Idra had enough and just said what has been on everyone's mind the entire time, which was the absolute most positive thing anyone can say about the game they love to someone that is clearly too fed up with Blizzard and wont change his attitude, and the high five proceeded to happen (which I view not as a douchy move, but as a comradery "I'm fucking proud of what you said" moment, Destiny then shat on the players, and left as a freaking coward.
Idra's love of the game? The reason Idra play SC2 is because he's invested so much time into SC and made a big name for himself it would just be stupid not cashing in on that investment.
I really like this selective reading technique you have developed. I hope I can learn it someday, it will make my life so much easier.
On October 26 2012 04:03 Leth0 wrote: The only time wheat even went rage mode was when destiny took the cowards way off the show
Cant blame him, would actually prefer him to be more harsh towards incontrol. When idra tells you to "fuck off and play lol", and incontrol sits there nodding his head basicly saying "ye ye thats right", then takes off his headset, walks across the room and gives idra a high-five "ROFL EPIC BURN"-style( and he actually does is right when PainUser starts talking, but he doesnt care), - he deserves the worst response imaginable, that was just pathetic. And after Destiny throws his final word, incontrol goes "oh wow...", like it was totally unexpected and over the top reaction to his retarded antics. He is just extremely delusional child(also being unfunny doesnt help).
On October 26 2012 04:03 Leth0 wrote: The only time wheat even went rage mode was when destiny took the cowards way off the show so idk wtf tomatriedes even thinks he's talking about. Did YOU even watch the show? The only person throwing temper tantrums the entire time was destiny. Every time he opened his mouth.
Bullshit. You're obviously pretty biased if that's how you saw it. From the beginning Wheat was addressing Destiny in this condescending wanky way. Destiny was being too overdramatic but I honestly think it was because of the way they were acting towards him. Anyway not much point trying to debate this with Wheat fanboys. If you think that kind of pathetic behaviour is cool then more power to you.
On October 26 2012 01:57 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On October 26 2012 00:46 CikaZombi wrote: Now the part that pisses me off is this: Destiny acted like a freaking teenager. When his argument met a brick wall, he changed the topic. Then when Idra had enough and just said what has been on everyone's mind the entire time, which was the absolute most positive thing anyone can say about the game they love to someone that is clearly too fed up with Blizzard and wont change his attitude, and the high five proceeded to happen (which I view not as a douchy move, but as a comradery "I'm fucking proud of what you said" moment, Destiny then shat on the players, and left as a freaking coward.
Idra's love of the game? The reason Idra play SC2 is because he's invested so much time into SC and made a big name for himself it would just be stupid not cashing in on that investment.
yeah deathmonkey the only thing you could pick on on that entire post was idras passion for the game. You dont want to comment on how he convincgly shows destiny to be acting like a teenager. How wheats anger was a reaction to destiny being immature. no clearly the focus of his entire post was idras passion.
I commented on that in the post right above the one you quoted. For some reason you chose to ignore that post.
Destiny did indeed act like a teenager, as did most of the ITG ensemble. The way Cika shifted all of the blame on Destiny and portrays Idra as someone just defending the game he loves is really silly for many reasons.
It might have sounded like that, but on the other hand Destiny has many supporters in this thread and on reddit, and his point is such a dead and beaten horse that I felt no obligation to him to repeat it. Also, if we are playing whos fault is it the most, I do believe only a selected few could hold their anger and have patience with Destiny's behavior, and still have their own strong opinions and contra-arguments.
I just don't understand how they couldn't agree with the basic argument that a more casual friendly game will attract more of an esports following. They kept attacking what Painuser was trying to argue at the end of the "debate" simply becuase they couldn't see through the context of the situation. Painuser was not defending Destiny's entire argument, or even the level of significance a casual population has in esports. All he was trying to point out was that games with a larger casual gamer base will attract more of an audience for tournaments. Really appalled at the mob mentality that seemed to take over Inc and Wheat.
On October 26 2012 04:29 sparkk51 wrote: I just don't understand how they couldn't agree with the basic argument that a more casual friendly game will attract more of an esports following. They kept attacking what Painuser was trying to argue at the end of the "debate" simply becuase they couldn't see through the context of the situation. Painuser was not defending Destiny's entire argument, or even the level of significance a casual population has in esports. All he was trying to point out was that games with a larger casual gamer base will attract more of an audience for tournaments. Really appalled at the mob mentality that seemed to take over Inc and Wheat.
I agree man, I had much better impressions of Inc and Wheat before this show :/. I honestly thought Painuser was the only person that handled the situation well at all. Unfortunately, the louder, more obnoxious, inattentive voices of everyone else drowned him out...
On October 26 2012 04:29 sparkk51 wrote: I just don't understand how they couldn't agree with the basic argument that a more casual friendly game will attract more of an esports following. They kept attacking what Painuser was trying to argue at the end of the "debate" simply becuase they couldn't see through the context of the situation. Painuser was not defending Destiny's entire argument, or even the level of significance a casual population has in esports. All he was trying to point out was that games with a larger casual gamer base will attract more of an audience for tournaments. Really appalled at the mob mentality that seemed to take over Inc and Wheat.
I agree man, I had much better impressions of Inc and Wheat before this show :/. I honestly thought Painuser was the only person that handled the situation well at all. Unfortunately, the louder, more obnoxious, inattentive voices of everyone else drowned him out...
its like they don't even hear painusers opinion most of the time.
On October 26 2012 04:29 sparkk51 wrote: I just don't understand how they couldn't agree with the basic argument that a more casual friendly game will attract more of an esports following. They kept attacking what Painuser was trying to argue at the end of the "debate" simply becuase they couldn't see through the context of the situation. Painuser was not defending Destiny's entire argument, or even the level of significance a casual population has in esports. All he was trying to point out was that games with a larger casual gamer base will attract more of an audience for tournaments. Really appalled at the mob mentality that seemed to take over Inc and Wheat.
I agree man, I had much better impressions of Inc and Wheat before this show :/. I honestly thought Painuser was the only person that handled the situation well at all. Unfortunately, the louder, more obnoxious, inattentive voices of everyone else drowned him out...
its like they don't even hear painusers opinion most of the time.
Well, to be fair; most of the time, Painuser is really fucking redundant and annoying.
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#saveWheat
