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On September 28 2011 08:25 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 11:37 Let it Raine wrote:On September 27 2011 10:53 iNcontroL wrote:On September 22 2011 19:59 hugman wrote:
It's probably been said a thousand times already, but it's funny how Incontrol is so quick to blame Protoss problems on balance when he absolutely refused to do so for Zerg out of principle or something (evidently not). Not that I don't think he's right, he's just hypocritical. I find it equally funny when a person generalizes my opinion and claims they understand it (when they don't) then call me a name (hypocrite) and march into obscurity! I talked a lot about imbalances against zerg.. I still do. I also talk about imbalances against protoss but I express my reluctance to call it "imbalance." You don't watch all my shows (or maybe you do lol) but it is evident you don't have a grasp of what I have actually said and haven't. So kindly stfu. <3 i would say toss is doing much better after the patch, disagree? Fungal changes are pretty meh vs. P. NP change helps deal with mass infestors obviously. I just don't get how +1 range immortals will help snipe siege tanks (with twice their range) surrounded by marines with almost identical range. Buffing immortal range to fix the 1/1/1 allin is like making zealots faster so they can deal with roaches better or something.
because then it doesnt have to waddle for as long to hit the tank? how is that hard to understand
imagine the immortal is range 1, based on your logic, that wouldnt be a nerf vs terran
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IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools.
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Man, this is starting to look like a couple's therapy session lol.
IdrA passive-agressively calling iNcontroL shit and djWHEAT: "what do you think about that, Geoff?"
It's getting hilarious lol.
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On September 28 2011 09:10 ZenithM wrote:
IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools.
he was talking about how opening dt expand is risky, because the dt is your only unit and if you dont win with it, or they attack you before you are ready its risky. people were laughing at dt expand when nestea crushed it in the gsl finals, then for like a month or 2 after dt expand became standard.
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Wow this is getting heated.
Don't really agree with either of them. I don't agree with IdrA when he says protoss is OP (lol?). But I don't agree with Geoff either. He doesn't back his argument up with specific examples. I mean, he clearly doesn't watch Code A if he thinks its in the RO32...
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To be honest his opinions on Genius and especially Hongun are one of the very very rare things I've ever agreed with Idra.
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On September 28 2011 09:10 ZenithM wrote:
IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools.
too an extent i agree with him as I have been far more impressed with the play of JYP, Oz and Sage than the Code S protoss players this seasons.
only in that regard though. the rest of what he was saying...
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Idra is exaggerating his points in order to get a reaction and make a point, which is very weak in such a discussion. While Incontrol gained a couple of points from me this time around.
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On September 28 2011 09:11 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Man, this is starting to look like a couple's therapy session lol.
IdrA passive-agressively calling iNcontroL shit and djWHEAT: "what do you think about that, Geoff?"
It's getting hilarious lol.
Tbh, Inc is always doing that to IdrA too.
And using statistics to analyse a matchup is really not the way to go, I'm totally with IdrA on this one, we should look at the gameplay first and foremost, stats are only a hint that something is MAYBE wrong. Especially over such a small extract of games (Code S/A), statistic become pretty useless and insignificant.
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I really can't stand listening to Incontrol talk about balance. All he does is insult Idra's approach and he never can back up what he is saying. I don't agree with either Idra or Incontrol, but atleast Idra isn't trying to attack Geoff at all. I'm a Protoss first guy but man that was annoying to listen to.
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On September 28 2011 09:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 09:10 ZenithM wrote:
IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools. too an extent i agree with him as I have been far more impressed with the play of JYP, Oz and Sage than the Code S protoss players this seasons. only in that regard though. the rest of what he was saying...
well its difficult to blindly follow stats, the 56%ish win rate for terrans of the top level only results in a 32 man terran gsl due to its format, neither zerg or protoss is so down in the dumps as they look based on the gsl, and thats a fact.
On September 28 2011 09:17 Hall0wed wrote:
I really can't stand listening to Incontrol talk about balance. All he does is insult Idra's approach and he never can back up what he is saying. I don't agree with either Idra or Incontrol, but atleast Idra isn't trying to attack Geoff at all. I'm a Protoss first guy but man that was annoying to listen to.
they are both insulting each other 
purely on the comments about situation reports. what i dont understand with blizzards logic is they are looking at the mothership and carrier, the carrier is a 'real' unit, so it should be a priority for them to make it usable, but they leave it alone. the mothership is, in their own words, a fun unit, yet it gets 'buffed' so it gets used? can they either say the mothership is a real unit and nerf the shit out of its spells because they are broken, or actually make carriers, battlecruisers and broodlords faster
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My only hope for this show is that IdrA and iNcontroL would stop "arguing" quite so much. Don't get me wrong I'm all for debate but this one is, or will be very soon, running itself in circles. Sadly I think the onus is on Geoff to not reciprocate since Greg will pretty much give his opinion on anything no matter what, but hey if Geoff wants to beat his head into the brick wall known as IdrA's stubbornness then by all means.
Zerg has problems, Protoss has problems, and sitting around debating who has *more* problems isn't really accomplishing anything.
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I don't understand how iNcontrol can push away protoss's adv versus zerg by saying "Code S players in GSL are doing bad". These are tosses like HongUn, who are crap compared to players like Sage.
He should play more games and understand gameplay so he can cite specific examples and when he blames his bad play on zerg OP or toss UP or terran OP he sounds a little more intelligent.
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On September 28 2011 09:12 Holykitty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 09:10 ZenithM wrote:
IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools. he was talking about how opening dt expand is risky, because the dt is your only unit and if you dont win with it, or they attack you before you are ready its risky. people were laughing at dt expand when nestea crushed it in the gsl finals, then for like a month or 2 after dt expand became standard.
What about Void rays? They make those too.
+ Show Spoiler +"DT expand" is not supposed to be risky in the players' mind (HuK, HerO, etc...). It's not like they want to kill the other guy with it. Inca thought it was a good way to defend roach ling agression and pressure back a bit, but as it turns out, it's pretty much free for zerg to get some spore crawlers, so they roachling AND defend against DTs. That's all there is to the Nestea vs Inca finals. Inca failed to adapt seeing that his build was completely worthless, couldn't fall back on another safe strategy.
Now I agree, I don't like DT expand personnally, but why do good protoss players use them? Because otherwise, Terran and Zerg could metagame them and just skip detection altogether maybe? I don't know, but there must be a reason, it's progamers that we're talking about, not the dumbasses IdrA keeps describing.
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No show without goatlust. AND WHAT A QUESTION. LMAO
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lol epic question from goatlust :D
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Once again, Goatlust wins the internet. Well done sir.
EDIT: Idra-"He is a serial killer waiting to happen" O....M.......G
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On September 28 2011 09:24 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 09:12 Holykitty wrote:On September 28 2011 09:10 ZenithM wrote:
IdrA has convinced me. Protoss players are fucking trash. I mean, they lose, so they must be right?
Edit: And they make DTs, those fools. he was talking about how opening dt expand is risky, because the dt is your only unit and if you dont win with it, or they attack you before you are ready its risky. people were laughing at dt expand when nestea crushed it in the gsl finals, then for like a month or 2 after dt expand became standard. What about Void rays? They make those too. + Show Spoiler +"DT expand" is not supposed to be risky in the players' mind (HuK, HerO, etc...). It's not like they want to kill the other guy with it. Inca thought it was a good way to defend roach ling agression and pressure back a bit, but as it turns out, it's pretty much free for zerg to get some spore crawlers, so they roachling AND defend against DTs. That's all there is to the Nestea vs Inca finals. Inca failed to adapt seeing that his build was completely worthless, couldn't fall back on another safe strategy.
Now I agree, I don't like DT expand personnally, but why do good protoss players use them? Because otherwise, Terran and Zerg could metagame them and just skip detection altogether maybe? I don't know, but there must be a reason, it's progamers that we're talking about, not the dumbasses IdrA keeps describing.
void rays are safer because they can enter your base from any direction, dts can be completely stopped with 1 spore. scouting roach ling aggression is hard because you cant leave your base unless the zerg makes a mistake. scouting his drone count is hard.
idra incontrol showmatch should be starcraftboxing, like chessboxing
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On September 28 2011 09:18 Holykitty wrote:they are both insulting each other
I stopped listening because Incontrol was annoying me way too much. All I heard was everytime Idra said something Geoff said something like "Oh typical Idra response blablabla". Really childish stuff and all Incontrol seems to do is mock others and make fun of what the said or how the said it. I really hope he didn't "debate" like that while in school. =/
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