EPTThen again; perhaps Zergs should not be so greedy and just scout with their Drone and they will see it coming. You don't even have to enter the base, you can just check for the presence of a Cybercore at the ramp (unless you play White-Ra who hardly ever walls in early, but then you can enter his base anyway), or check it's timing when its building. 2 Spines near your mineral line and you'll be fine. Perhaps you have to cancel your expo if you went hatch first, but is that really so bad? Protoss will be lightyears behind in tech when doing a Zealot rush.
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
Then again; perhaps Zergs should not be so greedy and just scout with their Drone and they will see it coming. You don't even have to enter the base, you can just check for the presence of a Cybercore at the ramp (unless you play White-Ra who hardly ever walls in early, but then you can enter his base anyway), or check it's timing when its building. 2 Spines near your mineral line and you'll be fine. Perhaps you have to cancel your expo if you went hatch first, but is that really so bad? Protoss will be lightyears behind in tech when doing a Zealot rush. | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:41 Ohdamn wrote: thats absolutely not true there are many fast expands that work (eg: pool hatch without gas, send 2 drones to exp, 13hatch/15pool....) the only thing that you can do against 2gate is gas pool... and 2Gate is btw still very strong on some maps...it's just that nobody ever uses it since the nerf i don't even want to imagine -5sec on every single zealot Yeah, send two drones and I throw down a Pylon. You've now wasted tons of time and have to make a late Spawning Pool. If you make a 13 hatch you're just rolling a dice hoping I don't scout you first. | ||
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crystyxn
Romania254 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:47 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, send two drones and I throw down a Pylon. You've now wasted tons of time and have to make a late Spawning Pool. If you make a 13 hatch you're just rolling a dice hoping I don't scout you first. Seriously. As MorroW keeps saying, you CANNOT hatch first against Toss (unless they suck/screw up). And since 2gate only kills hatch first...I guess it helps proxy 2gate but that's a sucky cheese anyway and if you lose to that you deserve it. | ||
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
at the moment you can do pool/hatch or even hatch/pool on some maps with a little bit of luck not every Zerg always want's to do a gas pool thats just absolutely bullshit.... with -5sec on zealots probably not allthough you would have to test it of course.. i would love to see with what kind of an expand you can still be able to hold the new 2Gate on ladder maps | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1108 Posts
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:53 baldgye wrote: Dsn't the reduced pylon field make wall-in's more vunerable vs Zerg? Nah you had extra room anyway. Just gotta be more careful about your placement. | ||
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Butterz
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Binabik
Germany686 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:53 baldgye wrote: Dsn't the reduced pylon field make wall-in's more vunerable vs Zerg? You can still block every choke (not scrap station i guess) with 1 Pylon + Gateway + Core ForgeExpand is going to be problematic, though. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On April 26 2011 11:24 Marcury wrote: Pylon distance change seems like a very active step to make 4 warp gate less viable in PvP, excited to test how it plays out thats definitely why this was put in place. i like it too, and i'm sure that it will only be a minor annoyance completely capable of adapting to quickly. walls against zerg won't be as good, but all in all, this 6 pool, 10 pool shit will be a lot weaker... guess my cheesey friend is gonna have to get a new strat to play in masters. haha! | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:53 baldgye wrote: Dsn't the reduced pylon field make wall-in's more vunerable vs Zerg? Don't think so. I think there's still one or two hexes of space between the pylon and the wall-off. Plus, as White-Ra likes to preach is that you don't actually need to do a wall-off against Zerg with your first Gate and Core, because a 6-pool is easier to defend with Probe micro and 1 Zealot. Just wall-off with your second and third gateway instead. ^^ | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ?  ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_T | ||
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kmh
Finland351 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote: WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ? ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_TThe nice thing is that stalkers are gonna build quicker now too, so chronoed 2gate stalkers are going to be fun stuff indeed. | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote: WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ? ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_Tplayers are better, the game has evolved and least but not last maps are bigger. We'll just have to see how it changes PvZ | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Blackk
South Africa226 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote: WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ? ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_TI think they said noobs were having trouble dealing with 2gate. | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:57 Blackk wrote: I think they said noobs were having trouble dealing with 2gate. what are u intending to tell me ? lol | ||
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Wesso
Netherlands1245 Posts
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Germany2127 Posts
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