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Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 61

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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 26 2011 10:13 GMT
#1201
On April 26 2011 19:03 xZiGGY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 18:55 Butterz wrote:
Guys im not a big pro at this game .. If archon is a massive unit what is gonna change ?? isnot it the same?? Just archon's name is kinda changing or is it something else??


breaks forcefields, can't be lifted by phoenixes, dies faster to voidrays


Doesn't get slowed by Concusive Shell too. ^^
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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 26 2011 10:14 GMT
#1202
Making the Archon massive makes sense and I also like that the minerals returned from salvaging is no longer 100%. Will be interesting to see how the warp changes will pan out.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Blackk
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa226 Posts
April 26 2011 10:15 GMT
#1203
Wow if pylon warpings are fixed on delta that is amazing. Btw I didn't mean to be rude earlier, I can just recall blizzard saying that zealot build time was changed because of people in the lower leagues dominating/gettindominated with it.
hah.
TrANCE,
Profile Joined December 2010
301 Posts
April 26 2011 10:17 GMT
#1204
I just feal sad...blizz should just sit back and see how the game evolves all these patches are becoming someone of a annoyance
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
April 26 2011 10:17 GMT
#1205
On April 26 2011 19:09 Thezzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 18:32 iNbluE wrote:
God, the ghosts are like free now :/


200 minerals and 100 gas every 45 seconds is free?
A whole factory or starport is cheaper and you still won't get enough gas to produce two Ghosts off one base.
I do like the change as it makes a Ghost mix more viable (Ghosts ate every scrap of gas) but they are hardly free.
200 minerals is a lot, even for Terran.


Protoss can constantly produce sentries from 3 gateway on one base and Terran can't produce the same amount of gas related unit on one base? I think one of us is not seeing how that could be possible.
Unreg
Profile Joined August 2010
181 Posts
April 26 2011 10:18 GMT
#1206
So new 2 gate timings against zerg ? -D lol
less is more
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:21:57
April 26 2011 10:20 GMT
#1207
On April 26 2011 19:15 Blackk wrote:
Wow if pylon warpings are fixed on delta that is amazing. Btw I didn't mean to be rude earlier, I can just recall blizzard saying that zealot build time was changed because of people in the lower leagues dominating/gettindominated with it.

They said it was an issue at "various skill levels", whatever that means, but regardless I don't think it is an issue anymore at higher levels at least (ZvP; I think proxy gates are too good in TvP). They also nerfed zealot warp gate cooldown at the same time as they thought the short cooldown allowed protoss to dump minerals a bit too quickly.
Cripp
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:22:19
April 26 2011 10:21 GMT
#1208
The Pylon change is actually very huge. The main problem in PvP is the warp in the main base regardless of a FF or not. Now you have to place the pylon way closer to your opponents wall, so that every Stalker including sentries (I guess) can shoot it, which makes it way harder to pull the warp in into the main base off. I love this change and White-Ra will too
djdoodoo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
April 26 2011 10:22 GMT
#1209
The price change for ghosts is definately a buff. 150 gas was far too much.
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
April 26 2011 10:23 GMT
#1210
The best solution for the salvage would have been to make the money based on the HP of the bunker. A burning bunker only gives you like 5 Minerals, but a hull hp one gives you full refund.

Is the PTR live allready? My client says it is not. Or is it maybe US-exclusive?
I would want to juggle around a bit with my standard builds since they should all be pretty messed up with the different WG and unit build times.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
April 26 2011 10:23 GMT
#1211
On April 26 2011 19:17 Iblis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 19:09 Thezzy wrote:
On April 26 2011 18:32 iNbluE wrote:
God, the ghosts are like free now :/


200 minerals and 100 gas every 45 seconds is free?
A whole factory or starport is cheaper and you still won't get enough gas to produce two Ghosts off one base.
I do like the change as it makes a Ghost mix more viable (Ghosts ate every scrap of gas) but they are hardly free.
200 minerals is a lot, even for Terran.


Protoss can constantly produce sentries from 3 gateway on one base and Terran can't produce the same amount of gas related unit on one base? I think one of us is not seeing how that could be possible.


I find it hard to believe you could constantly produce 3 Sentries off one base, as two Gas Geysers with 3 workers only give 200 gas every 60 seconds. You may have stockpiled some gas to allow you to produce three for one or two cycles, but for any longer you'll need a third gas, and since Sentries only take 42 seconds rather than 60 seconds to build, you'd actually need a fourth gas as well.

Note that I am talking about constant, uninterrupted production without assuming a stockpile of gas.
A Ghost at 100 gas every 45 seconds means you end up with more than 200 gas required per 60 seconds if you want to produce two Ghosts constantly off one base.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:24:27
April 26 2011 10:23 GMT
#1212
I'm very surprised they didn't target the changes at late game PvZ, but at least this should make PvP a little more bearable. It is also a significant buff to protoss proxies (I will use this for sure. ^^)
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
April 26 2011 10:25 GMT
#1213
When the release date comes, forums are filled with complaints about 2 gate rushes. I wish they could've changed spine's root time also.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:26:03
April 26 2011 10:25 GMT
#1214
Marine Ghost TvP incoming :D No Forcefield4u no GuardianShield4u, no shield4u! Going to be fun trying to hold off this improved push :D
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
April 26 2011 10:25 GMT
#1215
Going to be fun for zerg getting proxy 2gated every game.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
April 26 2011 10:26 GMT
#1216
Wow these threads never disappoints
Mada Mada Dane
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:46:52
April 26 2011 10:26 GMT
#1217
edit: nvm
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
DeLiriuMs
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria40 Posts
April 26 2011 10:26 GMT
#1218
On April 26 2011 19:25 Apolo wrote:
Marine Ghost TvP incoming :D No Forcefield4u no GuardianShield4u, no shield4u! Going to be fun trying to hold off this improved push :D


Going to be impossible for protoss to hold that push (if microed well by the terran)
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:27:40
April 26 2011 10:27 GMT
#1219
Hmmm, archons going to be good
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:29:18
April 26 2011 10:28 GMT
#1220
On April 26 2011 19:26 DeLiriuMs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 19:25 Apolo wrote:
Marine Ghost TvP incoming :D No Forcefield4u no GuardianShield4u, no shield4u! Going to be fun trying to hold off this improved push :D


Going to be impossible for protoss to hold that push (if microed well by the terran)



ghost/marine wont be any stronger seeing as even now when ghosts cost 150/150 you can easily afford that if you're only going marines with that because you dont need that much gas. I dont get how it will somehow be better now, could you explain?

It WILL help if you're going mech/ghost or something like that, seeing as gas is the limiting factor.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
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