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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
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On April 26 2011 18:55 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:53 baldgye wrote:
Dsn't the reduced pylon field make wall-in's more vunerable vs Zerg? Don't think so. I think there's still one or two hexes of space between the pylon and the wall-off. Plus, as White-Ra likes to preach is that you don't actually need to do a wall-off against Zerg with your first Gate and Core, because a 6-pool is easier to defend with Probe micro and 1 Zealot. Just wall-off with your second and third gateway instead. ^^
That might be true, but it's better if I don't rely on my micro to not die at the start of the game lol..
...though I was thinking more of the bigger ramps, and team games too... alot of the time on some of the team maps you have to defend a massive ramp and walling off is a pain... with the reduced feild size it would probally force a weak point in the wall off...
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Don't you need one mroe Chronoboost for the WG research too? Maybe won't matter much.
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On April 26 2011 18:59 Onioncookie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:57 Blackk wrote:On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote:WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ?  ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_T I think they said noobs were having trouble dealing with 2gate. what are u intending to tell me ? lol
He's trying to say that all the scrubby whiners who cry over 2gate which is an ancient strategy from Protoss based on an ancient opening from Zerg is not significant at this moment. You can't hatch first against Protoss as Zerg, and if you can your opponent is either bad or you got lucky and dice rolled being scouted third on Tal'darim or Typhon.
You cannot reliably and consistently do hatch first against Protoss, which is why good Zergs like MorroW won't even bother.
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On April 26 2011 19:00 hugman wrote:
Don't you need one mroe Chronoboost for the WG research too? Maybe won't matter much.
I like the change but chrono boost doesn't remove the increased time :o chronoboosting it will make it finish faster ofc but it's still later than normally.
Also that's one chrono that isn't going ton probes.
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On April 26 2011 18:55 Butterz wrote:
Guys im not a big pro at this game .. If archon is a massive unit what is gonna change ?? isnot it the same?? Just archon's name is kinda changing or is it something else??
breaks forcefields, can't be lifted by phoenixes, dies faster to voidrays
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+40 secs on warpgate is like giving the zerg one free round of drones... Don't know how PvZ will turn out without the fear of 4 gate anymore
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Hmm... does this mean that a chronoboosted gateway would produce faster than a chronoboosted warpgate?
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On April 26 2011 19:03 Geiko wrote:+40 secs on warpgate is like giving the zerg one free round of drones... Don't know how PvZ will turn out without the fear of 4 gate anymore
you can do a delayed 4 gate with even more units...you just have to move some from your base
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On April 26 2011 19:03 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:59 Onioncookie wrote:On April 26 2011 18:57 Blackk wrote:On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote:WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ? ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_T I think they said noobs were having trouble dealing with 2gate. what are u intending to tell me ? lol He's trying to say that all the scrubby whiners who cry over 2gate which is an ancient strategy from Protoss based on an ancient opening from Zerg is not significant at this moment. You can't hatch first against Protoss as Zerg, and if you can your opponent is either bad or you got lucky and dice rolled being scouted third on Tal'darim or Typhon. You cannot reliably and consistently do hatch first against Protoss, which is why good Zergs like MorroW won't even bother.
lol where's the logic there?
you chose to be even/behind every game instead getting an slight edge sometimes?
if you know how to respond to your blocked hatch you don't lose much more that if you do a gas/pool immediately
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On April 26 2011 19:03 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:59 Onioncookie wrote:On April 26 2011 18:57 Blackk wrote:On April 26 2011 18:56 Onioncookie wrote:WAIT WAIT they said it was imba some time ago ... they nerfed it +5 sec on Zealot Now they are like ... oh protoss 4 gate seems to strong in PvP ... and now they are completly gonna ignore PvZ? ... i still have bad dreams from the good old days of 2 gates T_T I think they said noobs were having trouble dealing with 2gate. what are u intending to tell me ? lol He's trying to say that all the scrubby whiners who cry over 2gate which is an ancient strategy from Protoss based on an ancient opening from Zerg is not significant at this moment. You can't hatch first against Protoss as Zerg, and if you can your opponent is either bad or you got lucky and dice rolled being scouted third on Tal'darim or Typhon. You cannot reliably and consistently do hatch first against Protoss, which is why good Zergs like MorroW won't even bother.
What are u trying to tell me?! Why do ppl always trying to insult ppl?!
Blizzard clearly stated it was kinda op ... so they nerfed it ... and now its somehow fine?! ... why dont i get my alpha roaches back then? hm?
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On April 26 2011 19:03 Geiko wrote:+40 secs on warpgate is like giving the zerg one free round of drones... Don't know how PvZ will turn out without the fear of 4 gate anymore
You are a troll aren't you ?
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I would like to point out the changes in the price of ghosts:
TvP is a gas not-intensive match-up. Actually you spend gas just in medivacs, vikings and upgrades (and marauder for what matters). I don't even make the 5th and 6th refinery when I get a third base, indeed (it depends if I have to go ghosts heavy or not).
The change is not related just to the one base scenario. I think it is a little nerf (or maybe it just stays equal) at the ghost in the TvP. Contrariwise in the TvZ, that is more gas intensive (both medivas, tanks and upgrades), the ghost will be someway more viable to counter infestors and to snipe EE (everything else :p).
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I was really hoping for some ZvP tweaks in this patch, instead we get some random spore crawler buff
awesome
oh yeah, not to mention after terran bunker walls your ramp for 3-4 minutes he's going to lose an SCV!!
Not to sound like im whining a whole lot but everything besides the "4gate fix" in this patch just kinda makes me go bleh
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On April 26 2011 18:32 iNbluE wrote:
God, the ghosts are like free now :/
200 minerals and 100 gas every 45 seconds is free?
A whole factory or starport is cheaper and you still won't get enough gas to produce two Ghosts off one base.
I do like the change as it makes a Ghost mix more viable (Ghosts ate every scrap of gas) but they are hardly free.
200 minerals is a lot, even for Terran.
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With the new pylon radius AND the increased wg time, 4gate on delta is fixed btw
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On April 26 2011 19:03 xZiGGY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:55 Butterz wrote:
Guys im not a big pro at this game .. If archon is a massive unit what is gonna change ?? isnot it the same?? Just archon's name is kinda changing or is it something else?? breaks forcefields, can't be lifted by phoenixes, dies faster to voidrays
Marauder's with concussive shells cannot infinitely kite archons anymore either
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I would like to see 2 gate make a comeback, I miss having Protoss do a 2-gate expand as an alternative to forge expand.
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I like the nerf to pylon range. Makes 4gate warp ins harder :D :D :D :D :D
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On April 26 2011 19:05 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 19:03 Geiko wrote:+40 secs on warpgate is like giving the zerg one free round of drones... Don't know how PvZ will turn out without the fear of 4 gate anymore you can do a delayed 4 gate with even more units...you just have to move some from your base
Strength of 4 gate isn't the number of units, its the fact that you can't scout it easily.
If you are making a shit ton of units out of your regular gateways, the zerg pretty much knows what to expect ?
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On April 26 2011 19:03 xZiGGY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:55 Butterz wrote:
Guys im not a big pro at this game .. If archon is a massive unit what is gonna change ?? isnot it the same?? Just archon's name is kinda changing or is it something else?? breaks forcefields, can't be lifted by phoenixes, dies faster to voidrays
Can't be slowed by concussive shells.
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