EPTWhat advice do you all have for a Zerg player switching to Terran? I know there are obvious differences between the races, but what little nuances or not-so-obvious correlations are there between the two?
Switching from Zerg to Terran...any advice?
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AngryBear
United States32 Posts
What advice do you all have for a Zerg player switching to Terran? I know there are obvious differences between the races, but what little nuances or not-so-obvious correlations are there between the two? | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 25 2011 23:05 AngryBear wrote: I'm currently a Bronze Zerg player, and I'm thinking about switching to Terran. I've loved playing as Zerg and playing macro games, but I'm finding that my playstyle may not fit Zerg the best. I like being defensive and amassing a superior tech army before I go and attack my opponent. I also like Banshees alot (just a personal preference), and I was a BW Terran player. What advice do you all have for a Zerg player switching to Terran? I know there are obvious differences between the races, but what little nuances or not-so-obvious correlations are there between the two? Being defensive and massing a superior tech army is everything but terran. It's actually more leaning towards protoss play. As terran you really can't be defensive. actually defensive is the 1 thing you can't do as terran. Terran players need to put on pressure, harass, etc to stay in the game due to their ....racial nature. But If you like terran that's your choice. It's a dynamic race, very fun. I enjoy it alot but it's not for everyone. Just like Zerg and Protoss. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
I have also switched from Zerg to Terran for a while, and I noticed something quickly: If you are playing Terran, you have to get the reins into your hands. You need to take the initiative, you need to set the pace of the game and control it. If you macro to 200/200 and hope to win, it will never work unless you hit a very good timing (like the Mech timing Goody uses vs. Zerg which hits before Broodlords). Besides that, in my opinion Terran macro is way harder than Zerg, simply because your production buildings spread out, so you have to check them manually, compared to Zerg having all in one. Map control and how to take it is extremely important, as you lack the creep to give you vision for that. Good luck, but judging by your comments I suggest sticking to Zerg for now. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
1) Think what kind of player you are, what style do you like (you said banshees for example) 2) Do you know any pro player that plays that style, if so, get his replays/vods w/e! 3) Study the replays and select a strategy you think is fun and suits you for each matchup. 4) practice and play! :D This is kinda how i did it, and luckily while i was thinking about it i came across a big replay pack of Maker and checked all replays, and picked a strategy for each matchup. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
First and foremost, you can pretty much make any race fit whatever style you prefer. Adding in harass is just a hallmark of good play. Camping in your base and not doing anything is problematic for every single race, not just Terran. The main difference is that you'll have to be much more careful with your army. It does not have the same mobility as the Zerg army and thus you're more prone to getting caught out of position. Based on what you're saying, I think your best style would be a slow mech play that uses hellions or banshees for early map control/harass. Alternatively, you could play Bio/tank and build an army off of two bases to push toward a third. Often times, players make the mistake of staying on two base for too long, pushing out and then having the attack fail only to fall back and not have a third. Launching attacks with a third base (PF) is your best bet. You're also going to have to learn how to manage your production. The build times are different for the three structures, so you have to tab through them consistently. The best part about the Terran production is that you won't have to look back to your base to queue anything. Protoss needs to find a pylon to warp and zerg needs to inject. Terran can afford to focus more on their army, which is essential. As for the 'little' nuances, you're just going to have to find those out on your own. I recommend picking 1 build for each matchup and practicing that until you're comfortable before expanding your build order repertoire. | ||
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Holliday
Germany30 Posts
If you ask me, i say stick to zerg, and learn to fast expand effectivley and defend, then your macro is way ahead of any terran. | ||
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Ydriel
Italy516 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
but if you want to switch then just do it. learn the standart builds ,timings and the control and then just play. i still switch races all the time depending on mood. in sc2 its really not hard go from one race to another . in broodwar my offraces were worlds behind mainrace (main Z, playd TvZ if i could pick), in sc2 my T and Z are about even(mid master) and my P because i play it by far the least (cause of pvp) lagging behind at around upper-top diamond level. without all the very specialized skills needed to play a race well in broodwar and the game overall beeing more simple imho its quite easy to switch. /edit also if you played broodwar youll love TvT. its the matchup most similar to bw and the imo far most "skillful". | ||
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BADSMCGEE
United States94 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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Mwentworth56
146 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 but you do need to have an idea of what your opponent is doing otherwise you'll end up against BLs and burrowed roaches as I experienced in one of my TvsZ games. As mentioned, T is the harass race and you need to harass to make sure that a Zergs eco doesn't get out of hand. I'm finding so far that a blue flame hellion drop into a MMMT push is the best way method for TvsZ at my level. As for TvsP, not sure, I just usually go for MMM to start then move from there. I'm sure you'll find your own play style with Terran  | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
Good luck! Check out some Goody VODs and reps for a good starting point. | ||
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eight.BiT
United States240 Posts
If you try and turtle like that with Protoss both races will be able to overwhelm you. Zerg will just double expand and Terran has mules. | ||
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Audle
New Zealand40 Posts
I play on the NA ladder as Zerg and use my SEA account to mess around with Terran and Protoss. | ||
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:16 Mousey wrote: If you're on the NA server you should be able to create an account for SEA. Go onto your battle.net account and go manage starcraft (or something like this) and there should be an option to add or activate it. I play on the NA ladder as Zerg and use my SEA account to mess around with Terran and Protoss. To my knowledge, SEA players can create a US Account -- but US players cannot create a Sea account. I have no such option on my account. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Like the other posts have mentioned, though, I do miss the 1 hotkey macro mechanic of Zerg, but I think that having to mind my production better will help my game awareness and make me a faster player. | ||
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
So if I was in your shoes I'd either stick to zerg or play protoss, not terran ]= | ||
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aztecx
Australia130 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:16 Mousey wrote: If you're on the NA server you should be able to create an account for SEA. Go onto your battle.net account and go manage starcraft (or something like this) and there should be an option to add or activate it. I play on the NA ladder as Zerg and use my SEA account to mess around with Terran and Protoss. we're only allowed to do that because we bought the SEA edition. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
The trick is turtling long enough on two or three bases to get to 200/200, and then making that one push really count by destroying the protoss production facilities or the zerg tech structures. On some maps, it can be almost impossible to defend three bases from mutalisk or warp prism harass, because mech is so immobile and because some maps have very long ground distances between mineral lines. | ||
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kathode
United States265 Posts
Wish I could help you more, I whole-heartedly dislike defensive mech style of play because it is dangerous to play that style late game with the growing P deathball and the macro abilities of Zerg to remax within a few minutes (at least it is for me, you may have better luck at it with your playstyle). Best of luck, definitely start with some VODs. I agree with your switch to Terran though. I see no way to utilize your defensive playstyle as a Zerg. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 26 2011 00:39 strongandbig wrote: Terran has a harder time building a 200/200 army than most races, but once you get there, the 200/200 army should be able to win in a head-to-head fight with either of the other race's 200/200 army. IMO turtling with Terran is a viable strategy, and I don't think all of the people saying that Terran has to play a tempo style or lose are correct. However, when you do get to a mech/air/bio 200/200 army, you kind of have to go all-in with it -- if you lose a single battle, the other two races can rebuild their armies much faster than you can. However, an actual 200/200 battle I think comes down to micro, and maybe slightly favors the Terran depending on army composition. The trick is turtling long enough on two or three bases to get to 200/200, and then making that one push really count by destroying the protoss production facilities or the zerg tech structures. On some maps, it can be almost impossible to defend three bases from mutalisk or warp prism harass, because mech is so immobile and because some maps have very long ground distances between mineral lines. The problem is that 200/200 clashes will heavily favor the protoss. There is almost no debate that a 200/200 deathball protoss is in many ways unbreachable. End game toss is just that scary, Terrans have adapted the idea of divide and conquer with drop harass which is pretty much the key to winning PvTs because there is just no way a proper 200/200 Protoss Deathball can be breached in a head on clash. If you talk about Zerg itt really comes down to siege tanks and what they're shooting and what they aren't shooting. If anything Terran has the weaker deathball between all the races that's why putting the enemy behind you is so important. It's the essence of achieving victory as terran PS: I spent my 2000th post on something like this.... | ||
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Holliday
Germany30 Posts
gotta make a decision some time... | ||
Sein
United States1811 Posts
On April 25 2011 23:05 AngryBear wrote: I'm currently a Bronze Zerg player, and I'm thinking about switching to Terran. I've loved playing as Zerg and playing macro games, but I'm finding that my playstyle may not fit Zerg the best. I like being defensive and amassing a superior tech army before I go and attack my opponent. I also like Banshees alot (just a personal preference), and I was a BW Terran player. What advice do you all have for a Zerg player switching to Terran? I know there are obvious differences between the races, but what little nuances or not-so-obvious correlations are there between the two? I think your preference fits protoss the best. Playing terran is almost like a race against time these days as you need to constantly harass and try to end the game before it becomes a 4+ base macro fest. You can't afford to sit back. | ||
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