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On April 24 2011 18:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 12:24 avilo wrote:Glad that a high profile Terran player finally said what every other Terran is thinking but doesn't wanna get flamed for   Lets keep it that way. I'd rather we terrans don't resort to forum qqing and stick to trying to find better ways to play our race. I'll be sad if terrans start becoming like many zergs on these forums. Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:44 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:38 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:25 Darclite wrote:
And regarding the whole "Terran has received nerf after nerf," so has protoss.
Zealot: amount of shield decreased and build time increased.
Stalker: Minor change to base damage but decrease to worth of upgrades
Sentry: Damage decreased and force fields made destructible by massive units
High Templar: Radius of Psi Storm decreased, Khaydarin Amulet removed
Immortal: Build time increased by 15 seconds
Colossus: Damage decreased
Void Ray: Damage decreased, armor decreased, cost increased, range decreased, damage decreased again, flux vanes removed from the game.
Mothership: Build time increased, food cost increased, number of attacks decreased, shield decreased, health decreased, acceleration decreased, and vortex screwed up.
The only thing I can think of that was helped was the phoenix, getting the buff to build time and moving shot.
So...yeah, protoss has gotten the same deal as terran in this regard. yea...life's hard when you're a toss. ahaha Shocking that 8 of your posts are crying about Protoss. Honestly get over yourself, just because you play a race doesn't mean it's the hardest. Stalk much? Creeepy btw there aren't 8/17 posts crying about toss, liar. Maybe a couple critical posts in the past but that's it. Learn to count. When you got banned for 2 out of 17 posts, and several other posts of those are QQ posts, you should probably realize you're doing something wrong.
Who is talking to you? Mind your business, stalker #2.
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I love those house tours, the sign at the door with flowers and "incredible miracle" on it is pretty awesome. maybe a less controversial title would have kept balance discussions out of this though.
Anyway, thanks a lot, i am already exited for the remaining clans.
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Kinda annoyed that Artosis put "Terran is the weakest race" in the title. Now we have all these forum trolls and whatever just having the most pointless argument ever, most likely without having even watched the interview.
Seriously. Just stop arguing with these stupid one liners and useless info. Just because a thread has "imbalance" in the title doesnt mean it's and invitation to just spew bullshit.
Really great interviews, especially with the head coach, i really love these tours as well :D
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Isn't incredible miracle a little redundant though if you think about it? Wouldn't all miracles be considered incredible due to the very nature of the concept? lol :p
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On April 24 2011 17:40 Holy_AT wrote:
Dont they learn english in Korea or do they learn another second language or is the conecept of learning other languages not common in Korea ?
I am always wondering why so many Korean gamers need translaters or dont talk much at all.
Terran is not weak by any means, people have just figured out how to shield themslves from early aggression, harassment and strong first pushes. Terran needs to fokus on the metagame more now.
All the International gamers you see are growing up with the International Starcraft scene, are traveling and motivated to communicate in English and just happen to pick up vocabulary and grammar naturally. You never actually meet for example the Germans that are never traveling abroad and only ever had contact with English in school. The average European could be much worse at English than what you experienced.
I know I learned most in school in grade 5 and 6 with a teacher that was heavily into discipline and wrote letters to parents if you did not do your homework. The rest of my school years with different teachers were basically useless, and without that one teacher all the English lessons in school would have been pointless. I learned English by myself years later. As a comparison, I forgot 100 % of the French I learned in school.
Adding to that, I suspect most Korean progamers have not finished high school because they never intend to go for higher education.
Also, the difference between Korean and English is bigger than between English and most European languages.
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Artosis, you should go work for a tabloid with titles such as these. Talking about feeding the trolls, damn..
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Didn't know Artosis wrote for the Daily Mail :p
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why is all this imbalance whine shit in this thread still here and unwarned? O_o
anyways great stuff as always from artosis, totally love his team house visits
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On April 24 2011 18:33 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:26 Keone wrote:On April 24 2011 18:17 Drunken.Jedi wrote:On April 24 2011 17:50 TheBrofessor wrote:On April 24 2011 17:40 Holy_AT wrote:
Dont they learn english in Korea or do they learn another second language or is the conecept of learning other languages not common in Korea ?
I am always wondering why so many Korean gamers need translaters or dont talk much at all.
Terran is not weak by any means, people have just figured out how to shield themslves from early aggression, harassment and strong first pushes. Terran needs to fokus on the metagame more now. I believe its like western school in that you can take a foreign language class if you choose, but it's not required. Hence why most Koreans speak only korean, and most Westerners speak only English. What? Since when do most Westerners only speak English? You do realise that for a lot of us English is a foreign language, right? At least in Europe most people speak at least two languages and there's quite a number of people who speak three or even more languages. And I can't really imagine that there's any Western country where it isn't compulsory to learn at least one foreign language. Haha whoa calm down, I think his idea of "Western" = USA, while your idea of "Western" = European. The majority of Americans only speak english, which is what I think the previous guy was talking about. And you are right of course, most Europeans are multilingual, some to ridiculous degrees. I mean, if the greatest athlete in Tennis history actually speaks 4 or so different languages... says quite a lot about European multilingualism! edit: oh and btw it is not compulsory in many parts of the US to learn a foreign language. some schools require it, though. Typical American arrogance to consider only the United States as "Western" like Canada doesn't exist or anything. Sigh
Chill out dude, all he's trying to say is that in the US many people don't take a second language.
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On April 24 2011 18:43 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 18:27 zeru wrote:On April 24 2011 12:24 avilo wrote:Glad that a high profile Terran player finally said what every other Terran is thinking but doesn't wanna get flamed for Lets keep it that way. I'd rather we terrans don't resort to forum qqing and stick to trying to find better ways to play our race. I'll be sad if terrans start becoming like many zergs on these forums. On April 24 2011 17:44 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:38 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:25 Darclite wrote:
And regarding the whole "Terran has received nerf after nerf," so has protoss.
Zealot: amount of shield decreased and build time increased.
Stalker: Minor change to base damage but decrease to worth of upgrades
Sentry: Damage decreased and force fields made destructible by massive units
High Templar: Radius of Psi Storm decreased, Khaydarin Amulet removed
Immortal: Build time increased by 15 seconds
Colossus: Damage decreased
Void Ray: Damage decreased, armor decreased, cost increased, range decreased, damage decreased again, flux vanes removed from the game.
Mothership: Build time increased, food cost increased, number of attacks decreased, shield decreased, health decreased, acceleration decreased, and vortex screwed up.
The only thing I can think of that was helped was the phoenix, getting the buff to build time and moving shot.
So...yeah, protoss has gotten the same deal as terran in this regard. yea...life's hard when you're a toss. ahaha Shocking that 8 of your posts are crying about Protoss. Honestly get over yourself, just because you play a race doesn't mean it's the hardest. Stalk much? Creeepy btw there aren't 8/17 posts crying about toss, liar. Maybe a couple critical posts in the past but that's it. Learn to count. When you got banned for 2 out of 17 posts, and several other posts of those are QQ posts, you should probably realize you're doing something wrong. Who is talking to you? Mind your business, stalker #2. I'm simply pointing out that you should think twice and re-read your posts before pressing the post button. It might save you from looking like a fool, getting banned and should increase your posts quality. You should also really read the TL.net Ten Commandments http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883. On topic: House tours = amazing.
Looking like a fool? I think you should read the ten commandments as well .
I never understood self-entitled people who like to judge others. Scanning through my post history seems a tad excessive especially to make a point with someone who has never spoken to you. Stick to the thread topic instead of attacking others. I merely agreed with MVP that large maps suck as terran and favors the other races. I never QQ'D about toss in this thread at all.
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On April 24 2011 18:36 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:27 zeru wrote:On April 24 2011 12:24 avilo wrote:Glad that a high profile Terran player finally said what every other Terran is thinking but doesn't wanna get flamed for Lets keep it that way. I'd rather we terrans don't resort to forum qqing and stick to trying to find better ways to play our race. I'll be sad if terrans start becoming like many zergs on these forums. On April 24 2011 17:44 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:38 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:25 Darclite wrote:
And regarding the whole "Terran has received nerf after nerf," so has protoss.
Zealot: amount of shield decreased and build time increased.
Stalker: Minor change to base damage but decrease to worth of upgrades
Sentry: Damage decreased and force fields made destructible by massive units
High Templar: Radius of Psi Storm decreased, Khaydarin Amulet removed
Immortal: Build time increased by 15 seconds
Colossus: Damage decreased
Void Ray: Damage decreased, armor decreased, cost increased, range decreased, damage decreased again, flux vanes removed from the game.
Mothership: Build time increased, food cost increased, number of attacks decreased, shield decreased, health decreased, acceleration decreased, and vortex screwed up.
The only thing I can think of that was helped was the phoenix, getting the buff to build time and moving shot.
So...yeah, protoss has gotten the same deal as terran in this regard. yea...life's hard when you're a toss. ahaha Shocking that 8 of your posts are crying about Protoss. Honestly get over yourself, just because you play a race doesn't mean it's the hardest. Stalk much? Creeepy btw there aren't 8/17 posts crying about toss, liar. Maybe a couple critical posts in the past but that's it. Learn to count. When you got banned for 2 out of 17 posts, and several other posts of those are QQ posts, you should probably realize you're doing something wrong. Who is talking to you? Mind your business, stalker #2.
you see..when people whine about something like imbalance the other person check his post history to see if he has complained imbalance before so that they can report you to the mods and you can be dealt with.
on topic:I don't particularly agree that Terran is weak because we haven't figured out the full potential of Ghosts and Ravens.
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On April 24 2011 18:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 18:27 zeru wrote:On April 24 2011 12:24 avilo wrote:Glad that a high profile Terran player finally said what every other Terran is thinking but doesn't wanna get flamed for Lets keep it that way. I'd rather we terrans don't resort to forum qqing and stick to trying to find better ways to play our race. I'll be sad if terrans start becoming like many zergs on these forums. On April 24 2011 17:44 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:38 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:25 Darclite wrote:
And regarding the whole "Terran has received nerf after nerf," so has protoss.
Zealot: amount of shield decreased and build time increased.
Stalker: Minor change to base damage but decrease to worth of upgrades
Sentry: Damage decreased and force fields made destructible by massive units
High Templar: Radius of Psi Storm decreased, Khaydarin Amulet removed
Immortal: Build time increased by 15 seconds
Colossus: Damage decreased
Void Ray: Damage decreased, armor decreased, cost increased, range decreased, damage decreased again, flux vanes removed from the game.
Mothership: Build time increased, food cost increased, number of attacks decreased, shield decreased, health decreased, acceleration decreased, and vortex screwed up.
The only thing I can think of that was helped was the phoenix, getting the buff to build time and moving shot.
So...yeah, protoss has gotten the same deal as terran in this regard. yea...life's hard when you're a toss. ahaha Shocking that 8 of your posts are crying about Protoss. Honestly get over yourself, just because you play a race doesn't mean it's the hardest. Stalk much? Creeepy btw there aren't 8/17 posts crying about toss, liar. Maybe a couple critical posts in the past but that's it. Learn to count. When you got banned for 2 out of 17 posts, and several other posts of those are QQ posts, you should probably realize you're doing something wrong. Who is talking to you? Mind your business, stalker #2. you see..when people whine about something like imbalance the other person check his post history to see if he has complained imbalance before so that they can report you to the mods and you can be dealt with.
Ahh yes because imbalance doesn't exist in the world of starcraft. If that were true the game would never be patched nor maps modified. Large maps hurt terran. I can't agree with something that was said in an interview? I'll keep that in mind. This might as well be 1984!
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blizzard stole terran's balls.
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very interesting interviews. id like to see who they pick for their foreigner recruits!
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Haha awesome thread title, sure to catch everyones eyes :D
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Wait they STILL don't have a sponsor? How? Are they just living off of their GSTL winnings?
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On April 24 2011 18:59 Horse...falcon wrote:
Wait they STILL don't have a sponsor? How? Are they just living off of their GSTL winnings?
I find it hard to believe as well if it's true IM doesn't have a sponsor. They have arguably the best terran and zerg in the world each winning championships and the team as a whole winning a gstl!
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Btw, I think these videos were filmed about 2 weeks ago (artosis mentioned in the SotG show two weeks back that he was done filming 2 house tours)... so, the answers in the interviews may be a little outdated. Back then it could've been hard to play vs Protoss, but with all these new mass marine builds and stuff, balance changes a bit.
Point is, I don't think whining about balance is going to be very useful. It's about finding the best build at that moment to counteract whatever perceived "imbalances" and shifting the metagame to suit your race and playstyle.
Until a new patch is released, the best thing a player can do is to find what is most effective and use it.
EDIT: As for the 2nd house tour he mentioned, I think it's the NSHoSeo house, as he mentioned it in yesterday's GSL cast.
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On April 24 2011 18:36 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:27 zeru wrote:On April 24 2011 12:24 avilo wrote:Glad that a high profile Terran player finally said what every other Terran is thinking but doesn't wanna get flamed for Lets keep it that way. I'd rather we terrans don't resort to forum qqing and stick to trying to find better ways to play our race. I'll be sad if terrans start becoming like many zergs on these forums. On April 24 2011 17:44 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:38 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:36 Chainfire99 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:25 Darclite wrote:
And regarding the whole "Terran has received nerf after nerf," so has protoss.
Zealot: amount of shield decreased and build time increased.
Stalker: Minor change to base damage but decrease to worth of upgrades
Sentry: Damage decreased and force fields made destructible by massive units
High Templar: Radius of Psi Storm decreased, Khaydarin Amulet removed
Immortal: Build time increased by 15 seconds
Colossus: Damage decreased
Void Ray: Damage decreased, armor decreased, cost increased, range decreased, damage decreased again, flux vanes removed from the game.
Mothership: Build time increased, food cost increased, number of attacks decreased, shield decreased, health decreased, acceleration decreased, and vortex screwed up.
The only thing I can think of that was helped was the phoenix, getting the buff to build time and moving shot.
So...yeah, protoss has gotten the same deal as terran in this regard. yea...life's hard when you're a toss. ahaha Shocking that 8 of your posts are crying about Protoss. Honestly get over yourself, just because you play a race doesn't mean it's the hardest. Stalk much? Creeepy btw there aren't 8/17 posts crying about toss, liar. Maybe a couple critical posts in the past but that's it. Learn to count. When you got banned for 2 out of 17 posts, and several other posts of those are QQ posts, you should probably realize you're doing something wrong. Who is talking to you? Mind your business, stalker #2.
I remembered the post you got banned for when Naniwa was playing, it's not hard to spend 10 seconds looking through a few posts. "Stalker" aside, you're not contributing. You're posting like the average battle.net browser.
Honestly, we have too much imbalance whine on these forums already.. mostly coming from Zergplayers. I hope Terrans won't start as well just because mvp said something.
Remember a month ago where he said he was thinking about switching races? It's a joke, people like MMA, Ryung, Bomber, MVP himself and MarineKing show that the class is far from weak.
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