TSL_Clide - Your thoughts on making the round of 16? I am feeling really good. I also defeated Nestea so I now I feel like I can win the whole thing.
- It seems that you are really good against zerg. I study them. I even investigated how much sight the overlord gives. I spent one whole day just figuring that distance out. I played zerg and measured the distance. (**This felt like a joke or he was being sarcastic)
- In the second game, you did not see the dark shrine, did you feel that something was up? He had 1 zealot and 2 stalkers and he didn’t have any sentries but I saw that he had gases so I just felt like something was up. Also, when I went in the base with my reaper, he tried to push it away with probes. So I immediately built a missile turret.
- Who do you want as your next opponent? I want both of my teammates to advance. So at least one of us will make the round 8.
- Your goal for this season? Even if I fail, I want to continue being a happy gamer and dream that I win the championship.
- Your overall demeanor seems pretty positive. I am still surprised and happy that I beat Nestea whom I consider the best player, all races being equal.
- Who do you think will be your biggest obstacle? If Killer or FruitDealer advances, it will be difficult for me. I’ve never faced a teammate in a tournament before, so I won’t really know how to prepare.
- Any last comments? I want to thank everyone who helped me practice. aLive told me some good tips so I was able to play well today.
▼ 16강에 진출한 소감은? - 기분이 매우 좋다. 재덕이형을 이겨서 우승도 할 수 있을 것 같다.
▼ 저그전을 굉장히 잘한 것 같다. - 대군주의 시야가 얼마나 되는지 연구했다. 하루 동안 그것에 대해서만 연구했다. 저그로 하면서 거리를 재봤다.
▼ 두 번째 경기에선 암흑성소를 못 봤는데, 눈치 챘나? - 1광전사와 2추적자, 그리고 파수기가 없는 것을 보고 가스를 다른데 썼다는 것을 알아챘다. 그리고 사신이 갔는데 탐사정이 덤비더라. 그래서 바로 미사일 포탑을 지었다.
▼ 본인이 원하는 다음 상대는? - 팀원이 둘 다 올라왔으면 좋겠다. 어차피 한 명은 8강에 갈 테니 말이다.
▼ 이번 시즌 목표는? - 떨어지더라도 계속해서 우승을 꿈꾸며 행복한 게이머가 되고 싶다.
▼ 분위기가 좋아 보이는데? - 모든 종족을 통틀어 가장 잘하는 선수라고 생각하는 재덕이형을 이겨서 나조차도 놀랍다.
▼ 누가 가장 걸림돌이 될 것 같은가? - 상호나 원기형이 올라오면 힘들 것 같다. 대회 때 팀원과 해본 적이 없기 때문에 어떻게 준비해야 할지 모르겠다.
▼ 마지막으로 하고 싶은 말은? - 연습 도와준 분들 감사하다. 이석이가 이런저런 이야기를 해줘서 잘 할 수 있었다.
글: 이시우(siwoo@playxp.com) (c)PlayXP
IMNestea - Your thought on making the round of 16? I am pretty happy that I don’t have to go to the up and down matches. I think I will be able to prepare for the next round of 16 match with less pressure.
- You lost the first game. I saw 1 barracks so I didn’t think he would bunker rush, and I lost without being able to show anything that I prepared.
- Did you predict that you would have to beat Jinro to get to the round of 16? I wanted to face San in a rematch so I prepared a lot for ZvP. Even in other tournament matches I hid some builds so I could use them today, but San fell today so I am a bit disappointed.
- Is it comfortable for you to face Jinro? Jinro pretty much let me play with my mind at ease. I was able to scout his barracks in the second set so I was also able to play pretty relaxed.
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden? I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.
- What do you think about the patch? I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.
- Is protoss the obstacle for you this season? I don’t think that depends so much on the races, but on the map pool.
- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time. Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win. Against terran the win ratio is like 3 to 7.
- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another? If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.
- Do you want to switch races? Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).
- So why don’t you switch? When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…
- Your goal for this season? I want to at least make the round of 4. If I am lucky, I think I can win the championship.
- Your thoughts on making the round of 16? I think I was really lucky today. I am really happy. I wished that I would make the round of 16.
- It seemed that you were extremely prepared for your first game. In practice, usually I don’t really study the maps too much. But for like every 20 games played on that map, usually I only won like once or twice. Today, I think the timing before my hidden expansion was found was good. Usually I take the expansion on the opposite side but today, I felt like taking the 5-o-clock expansion. I was lucky.
- Was your aggression in the second game planned? I am confident in my ZvZ. It’s a matchup where it’s more dependent on your mentality rather than your physical skills. My usual image had a bit of a 6 pool or another all in, so I was able to get ahead using that to my advantage.
- Your recent record isn’t so good. That didn’t make me feel that bad. I thought to myself, ‘I need to play better.’ But I think I just thought that but didn’t put in enough effort.
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons? I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.
- When will be your resurrection? When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match. (This interview was done before Lyn vs. Killer so he was not sure if he would be first in the group, had killer won the first game vs Lyn, they would have had to face each other for that spot)
- Who do you want to face? I think it will be better if Killer faces Nestea.
- Your goal for this season? The round of 8.
- Was your condition good today? I didn’t sleep that well today. Out of the 24 hours, I slept for around 1 hour. I think it was because my mind was focused on today’s matches. Although I didn’t sleep that much, rather that feeling tired, I felt pretty good.
- Any last comments? I want to thank the housekeeper who prepares great food for us in the teamhouse. She is especially thoughtful before game days. Also, I want to say to the person who did the makeup for me here. I think I’ve won every time I have had makeup from her. I want to contribute my win today to the both of them.
▼ 16강에 진출한 소감은? - 운이 많이 좋았던 것 같다. 정말 기쁘다. 16강에 오르는 게 소원이었다.
▼ 1경기는 준비가 탄탄해보였다. - 연습하는데 맵 연구는 많이 안하는 편이다. 20판 중 한 두 판 밖에 못 이겼다. 몰래 멀티를 발견한 타이밍이 좋았던 것 같다. 원래 반대쪽 멀티를 먹는데, 오늘은 그냥 느낌이 와서 5시로 향했다. 운이 좋았다.
▼ 두 번째 경기는 공격적으로 몰아칠 생각이었나? - 저저전은 자신 있다. 피지컬보다 심리전이 중요하다. 평소 이미지가 6못이나 올인 등이어서 빌드에서 앞설 수 있었던 것 같다.
▼ 최근 성적이 안 좋았는데? - 별로 속상하진 않았다. ‘잘 해야지’ 생각은 했다. 하지만 마냥 그런 생각만 하고 노력은 하지 않았던 것 같다.
▼ 정규 시즌 부진 이유는? - 연습을 많이 못했다. 이번에도 연습을 3일 정도밖에 못했다. 테란전은 괜찮은데 프로토스전이 너무 어렵다. 이론적으로도 말이 안 되는 상황이 몇 번 나온다. 연습하다 보면 프로토스 상대로는 막연하게 못 이긴다고 느끼는 상황이 자주 나오더라.
▼ 부활은 언제쯤? - 밸런스 패치 될 때. 막연하게 이번 시즌은 느낌이 좋았다. 다음 게임이 팀킬 아니면 동족전이라 껄끄럽다. 유일하게 어려워하는 동족전 상대가 재덕이 형이다.
▼ 누구와 붙고 싶은가? - 상호가 재덕이형과 하는 게 나을 것 같다.
▼ 이번 시즌 목표는? - 8강이다.
▼ 오늘 컨디션은 괜찮았나? - 요즘 잠을 잘 못 잔다. 24시간 안자도 1시간 자다 깬다. 오늘 경기 때문에 마음이 쓰여서 그런 것 같다. 1시간밖에 못 자도 피곤하다기 보단 잘 잤다고 느낀다.
▼ 마지막으로 하고 싶은 말은? - 숙소에서 음식 잘해주시는 이모님께 감사드린다. 경기가 있는 날은 더욱 챙겨주신다. 그리고 현장에 메이크업 해주시는 누나. 메이크업을 받을 때마다 이긴 것 같다. 두 분에게 오늘의 승리를 전하고 싶다.
글: 이시우(siwoo@playxp.com) (c)PlayXP
TSL_Killer
- Your thoughts on making the round of 16? I thought I would get 2 wins in a row so I could face FruitDealer in the 1st place determination match. Lyn forced some strategies and manuvres that I wanted to save for my match against Clide, so I hope Clide just overlooks this game (and not watch it).
- This is your first code S appearance, did you have a lot of pressure? More so than being pressured, I was looking forward to the opportunity. As I said before in the Code A interviews, if I made Code S, I can definitely be successful, so instead of being nervous, I was pretty confident.
- Did your game against Check go as you planned? It did not work out the way I planned. I made some mistakes so there was a bit of uneasy tension for me during the game. But he went on to use mutalisks so that made it easier for me to proceed with my plans. I was able to keep good scouting for his expansions so I was able to take the win. If I waited a bit longer I think the game would have become much more difficult.
- In the round of 16, you will face Clide. On one hand, at least one person from the team will advance so that is good. But the game is not one that I will enjoy playing, but something that I will have to do.
- Will you win? It all depends on how he plays. (Laugh)
- Your goal for this season? It’s not really specific. I am confident so I want to keep going but I don’t really have a specific goal. I will first eliminate Clide who next on my sights.
- Any reason why TSL is doing well this season? I think it’s too early to say we are doing well. But in the teamhouse, we have some pride that half of us are Code S. On a person to person basis, overall I think our team has the best disposition and skill out of all the teams. Since we all live together, I think it also helps our team unity.
- Any last comments? I want to thank Revival for helping me practice. Also, I can’t reveal his name, but I want to thank “that” person for suggesting a build for me. I also want to say something to Clide. I feel like Clide has a bit of ‘traitor’ feel to it. I am not trying to say anything bad, but sometimes we joke around in the team that he is a ‘traitor.’ And it’s a Killer’s job to kill traitors. I will really take on the role of my namesake and win, so you better watch out.
▼ 16강에 진출한 소감은? - 2승으로 올라가서 원기형과 1위 결정전을 할 줄 알았다. 박준 선수와의 경기는 규종형과 하기 위한 전략이나 실력일 수도 있는데, 너그럽게 봐주시길 바란다.
▼ 첫 코드S 출전이라 부담이 됐을 것 같은데? - 부담보단 기대를 많이 했다. 코드A 인터뷰 때도 S에 올라가면 잘 할 수 있다고 자신감을 표출했는데, 떨리기 보단 자신감에 차있었다.
▼ 이형주와의 경기는 원하는 대로 흘렀나? - 원하는 대로 풀지 못했다. 실수를 해서 어긋난 면이 있었다. 상대가 뮤탈리스크 체제라 운영하기 편했다. 멀티 체크를 잘해서 이길 수 있었던 것 같다. 조금만 늦었다면 어려운 경기가 됐을 것이다.
▼ 16강에서 한규종과 맞붙게 됐는데? - 팀원 한명이 올라가는 건 괜찮다. 하지만 내 옆자리고, 싫지만 어쩔 수 없으니 해야겠다.
▼ 이길 것인가? - 규종형 하는 걸 봐서. (웃음)
▼ 이번 시즌 목표는? - 막연하다. 자신감이 있어서 올라가고 싶지, 딱히 목표를 정해놓진 않았다. 눈앞에 있는 규종이 형부터 제거하겠다.
▼ 이번 시즌 TSL의 성적이 좋은 이유는? - 아직 좋다고 하기엔 머쓱한 성적이다. 소수정예로 인원의 절반이 코드S라는 자부심을 가지고 있다. 개개인 성향이나 자질이 다른 팀보다 우월하다고 생각한다. 소수정예다보니 단합이 잘 되는 것 같다.
▼ 마지막으로 하고 싶은 말은? - 연습 도와준 동현이에게 고맙다. 이름을 거론할 순 없지만 빌드를 추천해준 분께 감사드린다. 규종이 형한테 한 마디 하고 싶다. 규종이 형이 약간 ‘배신자’ 느낌이 있다. 나쁜 뜻은 아니고 팀에서 ‘배신자’라고 부른다. 배신자는 원래 킬러가 제거해야 한다. 킬러 본능을 발동할 테니 조심하길 바란다.
Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
all he said was that it was hard for zerg right now and that he would still continue trying his best
most or any of his animosity was towards the map pool, and I don't think I've heard any zerg so far say that zerg was okay as they are right now
Sweet, can't wait for the fruitdealer translation. When things look dark, there is a guy that can rise and smash nerds. Too bad he has to play Nestea next.
i actually hope fruitdealer beats nestea, as much as i adore both players. he's been in such a slump for far too long, i'd love to see him regain some of his former fire and win this gsl.
Clide says Nestea would the best player in the world if the races were balanced.
Nestea complains about how bad zerg is and even says there is a map where it is impossible to win vs protoss.
Blizzard please stop waiting. This game is retarded right now. It's not even fun watching zergs anymore. The only matchup I enjoy watching right now is TvT.
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
Jaedong has stated in interviews that he's been upset with the state of certain matchup's. He doesn't come right out and complain about balance or anything, but he certainly has made it known before that he feels like he's fighting an uphill battle vs certain races.
Even players who are regarded as being extremely mentally tough still have their moments of doubt, and BW is a heck of a lot better off right now than SC2. Nestea has earned the right to speak his mind about this imo. You obviously don't have to agree with him, but he's a highly respected Zerg.
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
Jaedong has stated in interviews that he's been upset with the state of certain matchup's. He doesn't come right out and complain about balance or anything, but he certainly has made it known before that he feels like he's fighting an uphill battle vs certain races.
Even players who are regarded as being extremely mentally tough still have their moments of doubt, and BW is a heck of a lot better off right now than SC2. Nestea has earned the right to speak his mind about this imo. You obviously don't have to agree with him, but he's a highly respected Zerg.
Well, to be fair the BW pros can hardly expect a balance patch from Blizzard :\ I don't like that Pros complain about balance because it leads to a lot of whiners feeling validated. But yeah, who am I to talk? Still, I think Blizzard needs to let things settle more before patching
On April 24 2011 10:04 windsupernova wrote: I don't like that Pros complain about balance because it leads to a lot of whiners feeling validated.
I mean I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that means some of their concerns are valid and the valid concerns shouldn't just be hit with the day9 brush of disapproval? I mean obviously people are going to whine regardless, but it's just as bad to disregard everything, especially when it's not just random TL forum poster #90210 and is someone who is probably more objectively correct.
I mean i'm not good enough at SC2 to have an opinion and the only zerg I even enjoy watching right now is Spanishiwa and I hope that elements of his style lead to a zerg revolution. I just think it's way too easy to assume that Idra/Nestea/FruitDealer/Morrow/any other top level zerg who's voiced balance concerns repeatedly are not trying to innovate, when in all likelihood they've tried everything, or at the very least some of them have and have decided that whatever it is, isn't viable.
Also balancing doesn't mean a patch necessarily, we can already see how hugely maps effect the dominance of certain races, maybe we need a map with no ledges at all and just one gigantic open area in the middle and maybe that'll fix everything for zerg, but then maps would be awfully boring.
From a viewer's perspective, its becoming really difficult to deny that protoss is favored in ZvP. Comparatively, ZvT and TvP are quite balanced but ZvP can look really gross. Whether thats because of a lack of understanding or imbalance is still up for discussion but the current state is P favored. Ive read and watched quite a few interviews and it seems like the korean scene feels the same way. (Squirtle, july, fruitdealer, nestea etc etc. It seems like the playxp interviewer seems to bring up zerg's struggles in every zerg interview lol)
On April 24 2011 10:25 billyX333 wrote: ... It seems like the playxp interviewer seems to bring up zerg's struggles in every zerg interview lol
I agree, there is some interviewer bias. Every time I translate, I feel like the guy is leading the players on to say the there is something wrong with the balance.
On April 24 2011 10:22 nhat wrote: Took like BW what? A few years before it was really balance? I think we'll see more improvements as time goes on.
People always say this but it's fucking stupid and annoying, you CANNOT compare any aspect of the game to BW at the time. Back then people sucked, all the way up to the top level. Pro's were 100 APM. People literally didn't even have the mechanics to execute strategies that are vital to the balance, things like defilers were not even standard for many years. That's no longer the case, players have come into SC2 WITH 11 years of BW experience to back it up it's not a whole new game it's a sequel. No strategy is out of reach.
Not to mention people didn't even have replays back then, while today strategies spread within days. There's so many people immediately playing competitively that literally every possibility is being tested; innovation is already being limited to very slight changes to build orders. People were not doing this kind of serious refining and tweaking builds for ages in BW.
Plus even after all of this, BW isn't balanced. It's T > Z > P > T, from overall winrates and just what we generally know (a good way to see this is the lack of specialists for certain matchups in the proscene; you got dozens of zergs who are best at zvp, but extremely rare theres a zvt'er) but it's accepted as good enough because you can overcome balance with skill. Not to mention balance at lower levels, in the foreigner scene there was always more Z and P than T. And down at D levels P is certainly easier than T. So aiming for BW balance is not the goal at all.
On April 24 2011 10:25 billyX333 wrote: ... It seems like the playxp interviewer seems to bring up zerg's struggles in every zerg interview lol
I agree, there is some interviewer bias. Every time I translate, I feel like the guy is leading the players on to say the there is something wrong with the balance.
that might be true, but at the end of the day they're probably speaking truthfully or at least the interviewer is trying to get the truth out of them rather than some sort of polite lie to not seem like a whiner
in any case, I'm sure blizzard hears some of the feedback from the players and uses it to make changes so in the end it's ok
- Is protoss the obstacle for you this season? I don’t think that depends so much on the races, but on the map pool.
So...can anyone give me an example of a map that evens out PvZ?
Im not sure but nestea always has complained about maps no matter what. I do not think anyone is sure what the perfect map is but the current pool is definitely better, but its something he has always been outspoken about.
No narrow chokes, no small pathways, no wide open natural, long rush distance, 3rd closer to natural, no rocks, multiple watch towers, not many cliffs, no gold expo. neutral creep on some parts of the part.
These are kind of the stuff that helps make a map zerg favored.
On April 24 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote: No narrow chokes, no small pathways, no wide open natural, long rush distance, 3rd closer to natural, no rocks, multiple watch towers, not many cliffs, no gold expo. neutral creep on some parts of the part.
These are kind of the stuff that helps make a map zerg favored.
3rd close to natural is a bad thing for zerg. 3rd needs to be hard to take. Or else protoss can easily take a 3rd base and mass up 200/200.
On April 24 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote: No narrow chokes, no small pathways, no wide open natural, long rush distance, 3rd closer to natural, no rocks, multiple watch towers, not many cliffs, no gold expo. neutral creep on some parts of the part.
These are kind of the stuff that helps make a map zerg favored.
heh, so Tal'Darim without the natural being on high ground?
its funny how people tell idra to stfu about balance and that other zergs dont complain, but here are 2 of the best zergs in the world who also feel that zerg needs some changes
On April 24 2011 10:11 infinity2k9 wrote: Jaedong has never said anything like that... even when the interviewer prompts a question like that about a certain map he says it doesn't matter.
Taking from a winners interview when he beat Flash in 2010 MSL
"- The maps were very disadvantageous
There was a lot of concern from those around me. It was very stressful and difficult, and in practice I was often discouraged and frustrated. I told everyone I was confident and that map imbalance could be overcome but the stress from practice was very severe. There was the added anxiety of delivering my promises. I practice hard with the mindset to just win one set. "
He's an optimistic guy for sure. I read through a lot of interviews, and whenever it's brought up he says something like "Yea these maps are bad, but player skill matters most". He doesn't ignore the imbalance, he just tries his best to fight his way through it which is fucking awesome.
edit: here's an example of what I said above and why I love him "- In the ro16, you play against the second seed of group H. Who do you want to play against? ▲ From my practice I can tell you that the maps are definintely not good for zerg (laughs). From that perspective I'm glad I got to the ro16. The further I get I will be playing against tougher opponents, but I want to be win no matter who, no matter the map. That's why I don't have a player I would rather play against, and I want to show that I can win even on maps that do not favor Zerg."
Yeah, zergs should 6pool, nydus all in and roach all in more. Come on, apart from idra, tester, fruitdealer and TLO no one was even good in S1 (most koreans hadn't even played beta). Fruitdealer all in'd on Lost temple vs Terran and Kulas ravine a LOT too.. i think he went all in almost every single game on kulas unless he was forced to do otherwise (Like TOP using banshees then massing thor )
Yeah, zergs should 6pool, nydus all in and roach all in more. Come on, apart from idra, tester, fruitdealer and TLO no one was even good in S1 (most koreans hadn't even played beta). Fruitdealer all in'd on Lost temple vs Terran and Kulas ravine a LOT too.. i think he went all in almost every single game on kulas unless he was forced to do otherwise (Like TOP using banshees then massing thor )
And if we discounted all-ins the third open season of GSL wouldn't even exist.
As a fan, it's really disheartening watching zergs getting eliminated left and right in tournaments. I don't play the game and I already share their frustrations, there will always be fewer number of zergs ratio compared to the other races. I wish Blizzard can magically balance the game so there will be no more complaints.
On April 24 2011 10:22 nhat wrote: Took like BW what? A few years before it was really balance? I think we'll see more improvements as time goes on.
People always say this but it's fucking stupid and annoying, you CANNOT compare any aspect of the game to BW at the time. Back then people sucked, all the way up to the top level. Pro's were 100 APM. People literally didn't even have the mechanics to execute strategies that are vital to the balance, things like defilers were not even standard for many years. That's no longer the case, players have come into SC2 WITH 11 years of BW experience to back it up it's not a whole new game it's a sequel. No strategy is out of reach.
Not to mention people didn't even have replays back then, while today strategies spread within days. There's so many people immediately playing competitively that literally every possibility is being tested; innovation is already being limited to very slight changes to build orders. People were not doing this kind of serious refining and tweaking builds for ages in BW.
Plus even after all of this, BW isn't balanced. It's T > Z > P > T, from overall winrates and just what we generally know (a good way to see this is the lack of specialists for certain matchups in the proscene; you got dozens of zergs who are best at zvp, but extremely rare theres a zvt'er) but it's accepted as good enough because you can overcome balance with skill. Not to mention balance at lower levels, in the foreigner scene there was always more Z and P than T. And down at D levels P is certainly easier than T. So aiming for BW balance is not the goal at all.
And just to add, Broodwar benefits a lot more from 3 things: the units reward good micro more, the macro is tougher, and the meta-game is much more stable. It gives more opportunities for a player who is truly playing better than his opponent to gain an edge and win.
"I even investigated how much sight the overlord gives. I spent one whole day just figuring that distance out. I played zerg and measured the distance." CLIIIIIIIIDDDDEEE why are you so good>?
When all of these top zergs (idra, nestea, fruitdealer, dimaga, morrow,etc) feel that ZvP is having problems, it's very hard to deny it. I understand being creative and breaking the norm with drops, more infestors, nydus', new strats,etc but I think more tweaking needs to be done by blizzard for that to really come into top level play IMO.
The worst thing Blizzard have done was splitting the SC 1 Hydra into the new Roach&Hydra. Zerg doesn't have solid tier 2 units: Hydras have to be used before Colossi and Infestor is a joke. The neural parasite time is also too short. Btw, I'm a Protoss player and I'm tired of listening my best friend, a Zerg, crying when he plays against me. Blizzeadr, help the poor zergs
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
tons of words, but i can't find any intelligence in it.
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
tons of words, but i can't find any intelligence in it.
Haha man, you deserve a medal for that
Nestea and FD feeling down. FD not sleeping before his matches... well, I m sure they will still do something, and we have Losira.
- Is protoss the obstacle for you this season? I don’t think that depends so much on the races, but on the map pool.
So...can anyone give me an example of a map that evens out PvZ?
Good question. But really not something like tal darim where 3rd expansion is with rocks. I mean toss get's his FE earlier than you and you still can't get a 3rd because of awesome rocks.
On April 24 2011 09:12 ReketSomething wrote: Reading nesteas interview made me upset. What a pansy. I never liked nestea or people that complain like Bisu and Nestea is no difference. True champs are like jaedong. You dont complain about random bullshit but fight to overcome. Saying theres not much left he can do is retarded. Theres always more to do, especially as zerg, the race that you could probably have 1000 apm and not run out of things to do because of the mechanics.
Jaedong has stated in interviews that he's been upset with the state of certain matchup's. He doesn't come right out and complain about balance or anything, but he certainly has made it known before that he feels like he's fighting an uphill battle vs certain races.
Even players who are regarded as being extremely mentally tough still have their moments of doubt, and BW is a heck of a lot better off right now than SC2. Nestea has earned the right to speak his mind about this imo. You obviously don't have to agree with him, but he's a highly respected Zerg.
Well, to be fair the BW pros can hardly expect a balance patch from Blizzard :\ I don't like that Pros complain about balance because it leads to a lot of whiners feeling validated. But yeah, who am I to talk? Still, I think Blizzard needs to let things settle more before patching
In professional sports leagues (take the NFL for example), after each season a committee sits down and addresses the rules in place; to see if anything needs tweaking to improve gameplay quality.
I'm not suggesting Blizzard should be patching each SC season, or that they should be patching based on the complaints of anyone (even pros, you will never find a point where nobody complains), but to expect the pro players not to voice their concerns is a bit ludicrous. As spectators we complain a shit ton, imagine what it's like for the pros who not only play (what some feel) is an unbalanced game, but also their skill level is judged (by us) based on their performance.
- Any last comments? I want to thank Revival for helping me practice. Also, I can’t reveal his name, but I want to thank “that” person for suggesting a build for me. I also want to say something to Clide. I feel like Clide has a bit of ‘traitor’ feel to it. I am not trying to say anything bad, but sometimes we joke around in the team that he is a ‘traitor.’ And it’s a Killer’s job to kill traitors. I will really take on the role of my namesake and win, so you better watch out.
Starcraft 1 Pro perhaps? Only reason why revealing a name would get someone in trouble
- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time. Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win. Against terran the win ratio is like 3 to 7.
lol I don't watch the GSL that much, just follow the results and LR threads, so I haven't seen the map/ noticed the games on it. So I lol'd
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