NASL VOD Thread - Page 3

On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one.

On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:


Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet.

What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it.

On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:


You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league.

Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges

On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:


With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved.

I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet.

My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started.

By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI?

On April 17 2011 06:09 cristo1122 wrote:


You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup.

\you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL

On April 17 2011 06:19 UberThing wrote:


As a casual SC2 fan, all I want to do is watch the highest/most recommended game.
I dont have the time to watch ~2hrs every night of mostly average games. There are usually one or two gems, but I could just go on SC2casts.com and find the highest rated game between pros and watch that in HD.
I dont have money as a student. Maybe make a low definition VOD version available for peeps to increase the awareness and get people to see the differential of NASL.

Do you see the problem?

EDIT: why is there no sponsorship?- seems a huge missed oportunity
EDIT2: Take note of IGN production values- for NASL to say they have high production values is still to be proved

On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:


With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved.

I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet.

My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started.

By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI?

On April 17 2011 06:39 cristo1122 wrote:


a person with over 350 posts on team liquid (a hardcore site) and can tell the difference between an average game and a indepth game does not describe a casul veiwer u my friend are a hardcore veiwer as you have an indepth understanding of the game itself. My casual veiwer I mean people thast are watching their first few games of sc2 and this i their ffirst expierence of E-sports.

Edit: getting sponsorship for new ventures is quite difficult due to the inability to provide statistics on a number of things e.g. veiwer numbers thus a company is more likely to sponser something that has an established history and audience, and I would expec that the NASL has been actrive in the getting of sponsorship to assume anything else is merely stupidity.

Edit 2: I disagree there has been a relitively high level of production value granted that has been a few hiccups but does anyone remember gsl season 1 and all the issues that existed then.


Finally good things come to those that wait and have patience I predict that over time the issues will be fixed as long as webring them to the attention of the organisers ia prompt and constructive manner.

On April 17 2011 06:44 iNcontroL wrote:


The difference is you don't see me posting in threads for other leagues telling them how to run their business.

You are.

So "with all due respect" please try and understand your limited knowledge translates to a terrible speculation point. THAT was my point. Comparing TSL, GSL, NASL, DH etc.. and then using a movie to make your point that charging 0$ is a good business model is insanely bad.

On April 17 2011 07:19 UberThing wrote:


I think the second point got misconstrued. Watch the IGN interviews of the players and you will see what I mean. I am not bashing on NASL, just showing them what is being done by an alternative.

Btw, I havnt played SC2 in over 5 months because I have no time, although I appreciate the complexities of the game. I watch SC2 games when I can because they are entertaining. My view should count in this regard because I am potentially the target audience if NASL needs if it is to go mainstream. If I am working in hospitals till late, then when can I watch it- I can just go on Sc2casts and choose from any number of youtube casters broadcasting in HD the highest rated game- Time saved. NASL alternative- spend evening watching sets between pros, but may be boring games.

Key words for NASL: Convenience, Entertainment, Polished, free option, Economic
Solution
Convenience + free option = free low quality/selected VODs
Money for NASL + extraValue = a fee for watching HD + HD VODs

Can you you see how the current arrangement it is less than optimal off the casual viewer?

On April 17 2011 08:20 motbob wrote:
Take it to PMs, if you don't mind.