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On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one.
Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet.
What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it.
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Thanks SO MUCH for this thread.
Really really thanks!
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iNcontroL
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On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it.
You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league.
Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges 
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On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges
With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved.
I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet.
My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started.
By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI?
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iNcontrol i think you are off base a little here. Most of us HAVE paid our $25 and want to watch the VODs, and it has not been easy. The entire reason this thread was made. If you want to compete with the big boys, that's fine and I truly don't care how much you charge. We know it takes money to get shit off the ground, no denying that, but we also expect just a little, tiny, iota of organization and professionalism when it comes to the VOD set up. Is that too much to ask?
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On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI?
You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup.
\you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL
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On April 17 2011 06:09 cristo1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI? You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup. \you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL
As a casual SC2 fan, all I want to do is watch the highest/most recommended game.
I dont have the time to watch ~2hrs every night of mostly average games. There are usually one or two gems, but I could just go on SC2casts.com and find the highest rated game between pros and watch that in HD.
I dont have money as a student. Maybe make a low definition VOD version available for peeps to increase the awareness and get people to see the differential of NASL.
Do you see the problem?
EDIT: why is there no sponsorship?- seems a huge missed oportunity
EDIT2: Take note of IGN production values- for NASL to say they have high production values is still to be proved
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On April 17 2011 06:19 UberThing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:09 cristo1122 wrote:On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI? You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup. \you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL As a casual SC2 fan, all I want to do is watch the highest/most recommended game. I dont have the time to watch ~2hrs every night of mostly average games. There are usually one or two gems, but I could just go on SC2casts.com and find the highest rated game between pros and watch that in HD. I dont have money as a student. Maybe make a low definition VOD version available for peeps to increase the awareness and get people to see the differential of NASL. Do you see the problem? EDIT: why is there no sponsorship?- seems a huge missed oportunity EDIT2: Take note of IGN production values- for NASL to say they have high production values is still to be proved
a person with over 350 posts on team liquid (a hardcore site) and can tell the difference between an average game and a indepth game does not describe a casul veiwer u my friend are a hardcore veiwer as you have an indepth understanding of the game itself. My casual veiwer I mean people thast are watching their first few games of sc2 and this i their ffirst expierence of E-sports.
Edit: getting sponsorship for new ventures is quite difficult due to the inability to provide statistics on a number of things e.g. veiwer numbers thus a company is more likely to sponser something that has an established history and audience, and I would expec that the NASL has been actrive in the getting of sponsorship to assume anything else is merely stupidity.
Edit 2: I disagree there has been a relitively high level of production value granted that has been a few hiccups but does anyone remember gsl season 1 and all the issues that existed then.
Finally good things come to those that wait and have patience I predict that over time the issues will be fixed as long as webring them to the attention of the organisers ia prompt and constructive manner.
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On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI?
The difference is you don't see me posting in threads for other leagues telling them how to run their business.
You are.
So "with all due respect" please try and understand your limited knowledge translates to a terrible speculation point. THAT was my point. Comparing TSL, GSL, NASL, DH etc.. and then using a movie to make your point that charging 0$ is a good business model is insanely bad.
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On April 17 2011 06:39 cristo1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:19 UberThing wrote:On April 17 2011 06:09 cristo1122 wrote:On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI? You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup. \you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL As a casual SC2 fan, all I want to do is watch the highest/most recommended game. I dont have the time to watch ~2hrs every night of mostly average games. There are usually one or two gems, but I could just go on SC2casts.com and find the highest rated game between pros and watch that in HD. I dont have money as a student. Maybe make a low definition VOD version available for peeps to increase the awareness and get people to see the differential of NASL. Do you see the problem? EDIT: why is there no sponsorship?- seems a huge missed oportunity EDIT2: Take note of IGN production values- for NASL to say they have high production values is still to be proved a person with over 350 posts on team liquid (a hardcore site) and can tell the difference between an average game and a indepth game does not describe a casul veiwer u my friend are a hardcore veiwer as you have an indepth understanding of the game itself. My casual veiwer I mean people thast are watching their first few games of sc2 and this i their ffirst expierence of E-sports. Edit: getting sponsorship for new ventures is quite difficult due to the inability to provide statistics on a number of things e.g. veiwer numbers thus a company is more likely to sponser something that has an established history and audience, and I would expec that the NASL has been actrive in the getting of sponsorship to assume anything else is merely stupidity. Edit 2: I disagree there has been a relitively high level of production value granted that has been a few hiccups but does anyone remember gsl season 1 and all the issues that existed then. Finally good things come to those that wait and have patience I predict that over time the issues will be fixed as long as webring them to the attention of the organisers ia prompt and constructive manner.
I think the second point got misconstrued. Watch the IGN interviews of the players and you will see what I mean. Smoke/professional interviews. I am not bashing on NASL, just showing them what is being done by an alternative.
Btw, I havnt played SC2 in over 5 months because I have no time, although I appreciate the complexities of the game. I watch SC2 games when I can because they are entertaining. My view should count in this regard because I am potentially the target audience if NASL needs if it is to go mainstream. If I am working in hospitals till late, then when can I watch it- I can just go on Sc2casts and choose from any number of youtube casters broadcasting in HD the highest rated game- Time saved. NASL alternative- spend evening watching sets between pros, but may be boring games.
Key words for NASL: Convenience, Entertainment, Polished, free option, Economic
Solution
Convenience + free option = free low quality/selected/limited time VODs
Money for NASL + extraValue = a fee for watching HD + HD/all/forever VODs
Can you you see how the current arrangement it is less than optimal off the casual viewer?
This isnt about "growing the scene". Its about how NASL can get tonnes more viewers and this ultimately will benefit their bottom line because of increased footfall (viewership) in the long term. Its great if the prize money is big, but the other stuff sadly is way more important in terms of viewer experience
Just to reference, Edward Starcraft said IGN PL main differential to NASL is that it is focusing on VODs for convenience. I aint no IGN fanboy or NASL hater. I am seeing objective differences and stating how it affects me + possibly many others and then offering solutions
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On April 17 2011 06:44 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI? The difference is you don't see me posting in threads for other leagues telling them how to run their business. You are. So "with all due respect" please try and understand your limited knowledge translates to a terrible speculation point. THAT was my point. Comparing TSL, GSL, NASL, DH etc.. and then using a movie to make your point that charging 0$ is a good business model is insanely bad.
Your answers have been nothing but deflection. From a business standpoint, that says quite a lot.
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On April 17 2011 07:19 UberThing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:39 cristo1122 wrote:On April 17 2011 06:19 UberThing wrote:On April 17 2011 06:09 cristo1122 wrote:On April 17 2011 03:58 Sueco wrote:On April 17 2011 03:16 iNcontroL wrote:On April 17 2011 03:06 Sueco wrote:On April 16 2011 16:19 iNcontroL wrote:
You know that movie about every other company ever... Where the owner realizes he has to make money to keep his company going? He saw that one. Agreed, if you absolutely need the money to cast at all then you need to charge, and that's bottom line. No arguments there. Just don't expect a massive e-sports phenomenon to emerge when considerable money is needed to watch the tiniest game. The industry is simply not that mature yet. What really is advancing e-sports in the west are events like the DHI. 5 hours of top-notch quality, HD and free. I don't know how they made ends meet or what business model they are using, but the NASL should strive to emulate it. You would be wise to consider that you don't actually know what the best business model is. You don't know the future of eSports and you REALLY don't know the financial climate of each of these tourneys. Additionally you have no clue what business model is being employed by each league. Essentially you want to watch a vod and you are upset that you have to pay for it. The rest is you comparing apples to oranges With all due respect, neither do you, since you are not really responding to my argument, i.e. the specific difference in business models of the mentioned events and the long-term prospects of niche sport when such a high entry barrier is involved. I'm not really so disappointed about not getting to watch the NASL. Trust me, there's quite enough free quality SC2 casting on the internet. My disappointment is more about the NASL's limited scope in promoting e-sports. For example, the marketing firm I work for has just started out in a tough new market, and they know they simply won't be profitable for a good 5 years, they are prepared to spend that much capital to get a good thing started. By contrast the NASL seems to be strangling itself before it's even gotten started. Perhaps they need capital and investors that are willing to bet, like Telia and Aftonbladet were willing to bet big on the DHI? You dont take into account the fact that there is a free stream of reality high quality that gives the viewer access to the content. Unlike the GomTV stream which is broadcast at very late times or early times for most americans and europeans it allows the casual veiwer to experience a game of starcraft. The vods are mainly there to satisfy the hard core audience who may not have the time to watch all games rather than the casual audience who may just want to tune in for one or to games without knowing the specifics of the players, maps and racial matchup. \you bring up the example of investors bringing capital in order to break into the market however investors though they can bring benifits such as expierence and capital to the NASL however in exchange for this capital what sort of control will they ask for in exchange (it makes sense you would want to make sure that ur investment is being used in the correct manner) and due to the fairly new nature of e-sports in the west there could be barrieres to finding investors willing to contribute a substantial amount of money. Indeed I would think that this option has been explored in depth by those that are involved in the NASL As a casual SC2 fan, all I want to do is watch the highest/most recommended game. I dont have the time to watch ~2hrs every night of mostly average games. There are usually one or two gems, but I could just go on SC2casts.com and find the highest rated game between pros and watch that in HD. I dont have money as a student. Maybe make a low definition VOD version available for peeps to increase the awareness and get people to see the differential of NASL. Do you see the problem? EDIT: why is there no sponsorship?- seems a huge missed oportunity EDIT2: Take note of IGN production values- for NASL to say they have high production values is still to be proved a person with over 350 posts on team liquid (a hardcore site) and can tell the difference between an average game and a indepth game does not describe a casul veiwer u my friend are a hardcore veiwer as you have an indepth understanding of the game itself. My casual veiwer I mean people thast are watching their first few games of sc2 and this i their ffirst expierence of E-sports. Edit: getting sponsorship for new ventures is quite difficult due to the inability to provide statistics on a number of things e.g. veiwer numbers thus a company is more likely to sponser something that has an established history and audience, and I would expec that the NASL has been actrive in the getting of sponsorship to assume anything else is merely stupidity. Edit 2: I disagree there has been a relitively high level of production value granted that has been a few hiccups but does anyone remember gsl season 1 and all the issues that existed then. Finally good things come to those that wait and have patience I predict that over time the issues will be fixed as long as webring them to the attention of the organisers ia prompt and constructive manner. I think the second point got misconstrued. Watch the IGN interviews of the players and you will see what I mean. I am not bashing on NASL, just showing them what is being done by an alternative. Btw, I havnt played SC2 in over 5 months because I have no time, although I appreciate the complexities of the game. I watch SC2 games when I can because they are entertaining. My view should count in this regard because I am potentially the target audience if NASL needs if it is to go mainstream. If I am working in hospitals till late, then when can I watch it- I can just go on Sc2casts and choose from any number of youtube casters broadcasting in HD the highest rated game- Time saved. NASL alternative- spend evening watching sets between pros, but may be boring games. Key words for NASL: Convenience, Entertainment, Polished, free option, Economic SolutionConvenience + free option = free low quality/selected VODs Money for NASL + extraValue = a fee for watching HD + HD VODs Can you you see how the current arrangement it is less than optimal off the casual viewer?
the main issue is that there is a large amount of cost involved in holding a tournament such as this and there is a genuine need to gert revenue in order to fund it. Though you may be correct in saying that it would be more convienent to have set up for casual veiwers as youii have propsoed it would result in a decreased overall revenue leading to decreased tournament viability in the short term even though it may lead to a greater expansion of the overall scene in the west it could result in the tournament being not continued past the third season (as i understand it). Having had this debate many times in the past both on these forums and in rl the solution to the issue is to have sponsorship so that over time the cost can be reduced or indeed itt can be provided for free. However until this occurs there is the need by the organsors of the tournament to cover costs via a subscription fee.
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motbob
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Take it to PMs, if you don't mind.
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On April 17 2011 08:20 motbob wrote:
Take it to PMs, if you don't mind.
Okay boss, I hope Incontrol reads this
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yay! noe I can catch up on the NASL (slightly drunk)
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SPOILERS
BUFFERING ISSUES
LIVE STREAM LAGGING
TERRIBLE MIC's
I have requested a refund from the NASL. I'm not getting the service I paid for. This NASL isn't even close to touching the GSL right now. I can't even sit down and watch a vod without buffering/freezing issues from justinTV.
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My only issue is that there are only 12 match ups posted on NASL.TV under the "matchups" tab yet some how this tread had links to 17 matchups..
Whats up with that?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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This is very much needed! Thanks! < 3
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