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United States371 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:53 yamato77 wrote: It seems like NASL is a little too sensitive to forum-goer feedback. I don't see how it's a problem that they are responding to fan feedback. With regards to the OP, I really like the changes that are being made. It shows an open mind and flexibility on NASL's part. Good job! | ||
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CiscoKid
Canada20 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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applejuice
307 Posts
Are you so afraid that forum people will get mad if a few matches don't get played?? If anything, people have been complaining about there being too many matches. But the important take home message is: stop listening to the forum rabble so much. Any player who doesn't show should get a 0-2. | ||
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ligand
United States53 Posts
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RavenWolf
United States205 Posts
Sometimes constant reminders are necessary to ensure that things work out properly with these players, especially with such wide timezone differences and other logistical concerns that your organization has to deal with. There's never such a thing as too little communication when the stakes are as high as they are in your league, so err on the side of over-communication since the players have invested significant money into ensuring their participation and that they don't pull any sneaky business. I for one know I've pulled a few all-nighters when inviting players just so I can ensure I can contact players live when it's convenient for them, rather than myself, just to ensure that the message is CRYSTAL clear when it is necessary. I look forward to the ongoing season and hopefully less hiccups can occur and you learn very quickly from these minor nuisances that arise. Keep your chin up, your heads high, and just keep on casting high quality matches and you'll do well. Just make sure the players understand just how much is at stake as things progress. Thanks... | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
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Ryno00
Australia19 Posts
if either player had pulled this with two live events we would be railing against the player for booking himself to events on opposing sides of the globe at the same time. professional gaming means taking your job with some professionalism. and its sad NASL needs a fineing system to enforce professional behaviour with money. White-Ra - messaging: oops I made it to the finals, can we fix this last minute because i hadn’t planned ahead on the assumption i'd make the finals - not professional NaNiwa - messaging: oops, travel lag CBF playing ATM, just got back from a tournament I didn’t compete in and therefore could have flown home at a time of my choosing - not professional Me - messaging: sorry boss my holiday ended up running a day over, i wont be back into work when i said i would - not professional Its up to the professionals that have committed themselves to the NASL tournament and its format to come to NASL hat-in-hand, ahead of time and beg for some flexibility so that they can attend other events. Not because NASL is the beastly titan that players should not dare to question or worship NASL and attend no other event. but because it’s professional courtesy to attend events you commited to and if you cant make other events work around that, then pick one and dont attend the other event. double booking yourself to events is not a professional way to act. and then tournaments will get the message to either co-operate and avoid conflict or see the best players attend the better events when forced to choose. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline . Its disappointing to me that NASL is having so much trouble just getting players to show up on time. I understand there are circumstances where other premier lan events can get in the way but overall I feel a professional in any venue should at the very least be punctual. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
Thus far, I'd say the fault for the problems encountered can be spread fairly thin. It doesn't seem like anybody has really and truly dropped the ball, but rather there have just been a series of unfortunate events and minor mistakes. Certainly nothing unforgivable. However, I don't feel that the NASL has lived up to it's hype yet. The production value has been decent, but nothing like the revolutionary quality that we were promised. And though I can hardly fault the NASL for it, the quality of a lot of the games thus far has been somewhat lackluster. It seems quite clear to me that their are still many tiers of skill within the "top 50 players in the world". I think time is the only solution to that last problem. As the top tier of players start to plateau and the rest start to catch up, then we'll see some more evenly matched games. It's still very early in the tournament though, and none of the problems within the NASL's control are insurmountable. I'm confident that if they just keep at and keep smoothing out the wrinkles as they come along, we'll eventually reach the tournament that everyone was hoping for, and these early bumps will be but a hazy memory. | ||
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hagrin
United States278 Posts
On April 15 2011 12:24 Ryno00 wrote: jWhite-Ra - messaging: oops I made it to the finals, can we fix this last minute because i hadn’t planned ahead on the assumption i'd make the finals - not professional NaNiwa - messaging: oops, travel lag CBF playing ATM, just got back from a tournament I didn’t compete in and therefore could have flown home at a time of my choosing - not professional Me - messaging: sorry boss my holiday ended up running a day over, i wont be back into work when i said i would - not professional Its up to the professionals that have committed themselves to the NASL tournament and its format to come to NASL hat-in-hand, ahead of time and beg for some flexibility so that they can attend other events. Bad analogy is bad. It's more like - White-Ra - doesn't show up for and doesn't call his boss that he's calling out that day. Naniwa - doesn't show up for work but informs his boss he's taking a personal day and the boss says it's fine. Regular People - If I don't show up for work AND don't tell anyone, I get punished/fired. If I don't show up for work, but take a PTO/personal/sick day and my boss approves it, I still have my job. What most of you continue to not grasp is that NASL tried to make arrangements for White-Ra, tried to contact him for several hours and White-Ra disappeared like Kaiser Soze in the Swedish mist. There's no excuse for no communication in this day and age of technology and those of you not placing any responsibility on White-Ra just don't understand how the real world works. Open lines of communication between White-Ra and the NASL would have prevented his -1 forfeit and the NASL made every attempt to do so - it was White-Ra's responsibility to at least communicate his dilemma/intentions. | ||
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Ryno00
Australia19 Posts
On April 15 2011 12:56 hagrin wrote: Bad analogy is bad. It's more like - White-Ra - doesn't show up for and doesn't call his boss that he's calling out that day. Naniwa - doesn't show up for work but informs his boss he's taking a personal day and the boss says it's fine. Regular People - If I don't show up for work AND don't tell anyone, I get punished/fired. If I don't show up for work, but take a PTO/personal/sick day and my boss approves it, I still have my job. What most of you continue to not grasp is that NASL tried to make arrangements for White-Ra, tried to contact him for several hours and White-Ra disappeared like Kaiser Soze in the Swedish mist. There's no excuse for no communication in this day and age of technology and those of you not placing any responsibility on White-Ra just don't understand how the real world works. Open lines of communication between White-Ra and the NASL would have prevented his -1 forfeit and the NASL made every attempt to do so - it was White-Ra's responsibility to at least communicate his dilemma/intentions. i was not making an analogy i was drawing a comparison between White and Nani's unprofessional behavior in the pro gaming scene and a more common real-world example of unprofessional behavior. i think were agree here. white-ra was at fault. your argument is that it was because he did not effectively communicate with the NASL after finding himself in the DH finals i thought that when i learnt about this yesterday. but now my argument is that the fault began before that, that a professional player and management team, planning ahead of time should have assumed he would make the finals and approached NASL the day/week/fortnight beforehand. he was first up for that nights casts and could have been moved to a later time slot (even last for the night) to try and make it after the finals would end. Sjow competed in dreamhack and made his NASL match on the same night at White-Ra by planning ahead and finding a LAN center close by after already being sloted to the final match of the night starting after DH ended. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:16 bibbaly wrote: Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off. This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool. I am in the minority but I agree with this. I understand NASL is trying to help the players out, but they should enforce their rules and schedule and not have to change much due to complaints or players not showing up. Players are aware of the implications of potential scheduling conflicts and it is on them not the league. If you want to skip out on a chance of a huge prize pool then that is your decision. There will always be conflicts, and I am surprised NASL is getting this much criticism from the community. I cannot imagine a top tier tournament/league(if that is what NASL is striving for) being forced to schedule around smaller ones. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On April 15 2011 10:47 Telcontar wrote: Whatever you do, you cannot leave Naniwa at 0-0. It can cause huge problems towards the latter stages of the group games and unfairly affect other players. Either give Strelok the standard 2-0 W.O or make them play the game. You could also try giving Strelok a 2-1 win but that can still come back to bite you on the butt. You should reconsider this immediately. This is the part that puzzled me, too. I understand that they're trying to come up with the best solution they can to problems that are cropping up, and the other changes both seem good and reasonable. But how can you not give Naniwa a loss? I mean, he'll be the only person with 9 games, not 10. I'm not sure how they're doing tie-breakers, but especially considering that even the lower positions in the group will effect seeding into the next round, it seems like this could make things awkward because they may have to make an arbitrary decision about how to rank him with one less game. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Illness, sure if its serious (but still has the problem you cant know they're ill). Obvious scheduling issues which is known ahead of time, sure. Needing rest, not feeling good, rather playing later, rather play at another venue than where they are atm, rather ladder-practice more and play next day, etc etc, no. Should be default losses. Liked the Whitera decision. Didnt like this one. Should be either 0-2 or just a regame which you play at some random time in the future off air (or bake into another day for a 6 match day). | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
Naniwa was not logger into the player channel? Is this something official you inform each player they have to be logged in to? Is this the form of communication you have decided upon? Okay, you are learning as you go by i get that, so you should really do a flow-chart or something for how communication should go so every time something happens you know where to go to inform players. And then make sure the players are informed aswell. This is a bit like "i left a message on his answering machine and he never got it but we still decided to DQ him from the tournament". *edit* Not to mention a player asking for a postpone because he was at a tournament he did not even play in and it was accepted... | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
2. Everyone needs to give NASL a break until at least the end of this first season. It's a brand new league and they deserve patience in getting all the details smoothed out. :7 | ||
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