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motbob
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TL;DR:
Matches will now air on Wednesday-Sunday as opposed to Tuesday-Saturday. To facilitate this change, there will be no games on Friday of this week.
NASL feels it did not communicate effectively enough with Naniwa yesterday. While Strelok has still been awarded the win, Naniwa remains at 0-0 and will not be fined.
From now NASL will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events.
NASL will not put the decision to take a free win in the player's hands, since that put the player taking the free win in an uncomfortable position. NASL will make that decision themselves.
If you are annoyed with any of these changes, be sure to read the full statement from the NASL before posting about it.
We are going to be changing our format slightly to improve viewer experience and player scheduling conflicts.
The broadcast schedule will be moved forward by one day and matches will now air Wednesday through Sunday at their regular times.
This change will occur this week so there will be no broadcast on Friday. Friday's matches will air on Saturday. From there on out we will continue with our adapted schedule.
We want to apologize for the delay in our broadcast this Tuesday and the absence of the anticipated match-up between JulyZerg and White-Ra.
There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait.
Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us.
While this was going on we saw that Naniwa was laddering. We were taken aback and went to Mouz's manager to ask if he wanted to take a win.
Immediately after the problem we called Dignitas' manager Odee to discuss and he stands by our decision to award the game to Strelok. However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa; he will remain at 0-0 and will not be fined.
Previously we had allowed players to delay their match on a given day if they gave us advance warning. From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. As always, emergencies or illness will allow rescheduling.
This delay will allow us to be more flexible to LAN events as they occur and to make sure that we can air every single match that should be played.
Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline.
By adding a two-day lead time from shoot to show, we think we can make sure that every game where the players arrive on time will be played.
We are also no longer going to put the burden of choosing to take the win on to the players. We had been asking them as we thought that they would prefer that, but based on feedback we see that there is too much pressure for them to not take the win.
Thank you for your continued support.
NASL Staff
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It's interesting that they're giving Strelok a win but not giving Naniwa a loss. Hopefully it doesn't come down to some kind of wild tie in that division that has to be broken because Naniwa has one less game played than the other 9 players.
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Thanks for the info.
A tournament as large as the NASL was obviously going to have some bumps the first time around (as the GSL1 did I am assuming).
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I wish they did this for White-Ra 
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I really hope this isn't because of the negative reaction to them awarding July the win in a similar situation with he and White-Ra's matches. It seems like NASL is a little too sensitive to forum-goer feedback, if that is indeed the case.
Otherwise, I do see the need to have more than one day between the game being played and the broadcast. It allows them to be more flexible with their schedule, which is apparently an issue, and more time for production.
I like that they're willing to change if they see the need, but I just hope it's not because of some people on a forum, but rather their own thoughts on the matter. NASL should be run the way the leaders of it see fit. Giving in to every demand made by the internet is just going to make it worse in the end.
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United States12235 Posts
So if Naniwa didn't play, they were going to fine him? How much, and on what grounds? :O
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:54 Excalibur_Z wrote:
So if Naniwa didn't play, they were going to fine him? How much, and on what grounds? :O
If you miss your match, you get fined... how much, I'm sure only the players and organizers know.
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I must say this is a good plan as it seems to me especially with all the travel from lan tourneys around the world and from NASL being so long that it needs a little more flexibility for themselves. Also of note is this would give the guys working on post to be able to get it done in a much more relaxed manner as well as give them time to add more to the airing time.
Just my 2 cents
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On April 15 2011 08:54 Excalibur_Z wrote:
So if Naniwa didn't play, they were going to fine him? How much, and on what grounds? :O
on the grounds that the rules state you can be fined for not showing up....
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On April 15 2011 08:54 Excalibur_Z wrote:
So if Naniwa didn't play, they were going to fine him? How much, and on what grounds? :O
The fine comes from the deposit they make at the start of the tournament if you didn't know.
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It's nice to see an organization making changes as necessary along the way, not having things set in stone.
+ Show Spoiler [Sniped -.-] +On April 15 2011 08:54 Excalibur_Z wrote:
So if Naniwa didn't play, they were going to fine him? How much, and on what grounds? :O I assume they have a system set up with all the fines listed, for each corresponding action. (Remember the $250 each player had to put up front, similar to ESL's point system, when you get all your money taken away, you're DQ'd)
Edit2: haha even a retroactive snipe by motbob
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Its pretty cool that they are using a handful of the communities ideas. All seems well, can't wait for the games to start today.
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I think that I like the new change get to watch more day9 live  thanks for the info motbob!
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Totally fine with me. Less conflict with GSL. We're actually reaching more SC2 than I can reasonably handle lol. Good that they seem to have set a solid precedent, hopefully it will remain unwavering so as to prevent future conflict. Wonder if White-Ra will ask to remain 0-0?
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Damn - another epic game i was looking forward to.
At least they are acting to prevent stuff like this happening in the future. I like the ongoing management by the NASL staff; itll be interesting if not attributing a loss to Nani comes into play.
I sense more drama
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Does NASL still begin at the same time today then? What happened that made Strelok have to take the free win? A LAN?
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i like how NASL is adjusting things on the fly to make sure overall quality of league is improving. if they keep doing that, im sure next season will be that much better.
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I was expecting something like this when I saw it was only on a one day delay makes sence to have another delay but its a little more akward now.
I like the idea of postpoining a game maybe have saterday the long day?
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I like this change, wednesday thru sunday sounds sweet!
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Actually, this is pretty good. Now that I think about it, it really does look like they're taking the community's ideas, no matter how trollishly they're presented, and trying to make them into something helpful to make the league succeed. First the intermissions everyone requested, then this - hopefully they continue on this road to make the NASL succeed.
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Saw this coming. NASL is too long and drawn out to actually seriously expect people to be able to play every single game on time considering the sheer volume of games. Whitera shouldn't have been DQ'ed from his game with July because he was one of the EIGHT people invited to freaking Dreamhack. What do they expect him to do, turn down a prestigious invite like Dreamhack and only play NASL and nothing else? Sure Sjow was able to play his game, but he didn't have to play in the finals nor was he thousands of miles away from home.
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I am glad that NASL is taking action and trying to take all the feedback they have gotten and improve their product already.
Sometimes people think that all criticism = trolling, but that is not always the case, ive seen plenty of fine people right here on TL.net offer geniune great ideas and ways to help them on their way.
They arent burrying their heads in the sand and yelling "WE ARE RIGHT! STOP TROLLING UR WRONG!" and that is a great sign
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From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events.
This isn't a solution for me, for example, for my conflict with MLG Columbus.
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Finally. I gotta say I was very upset to see white-ra get a loss because NASL didn't schedule players matches around major tourneys.
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ugh, now I can't actually watch the saturday+sunday ones -.- (well, at least BORDERLINE....sunday, maybe the last 2 idk, and saturday...maybe none, maybe first two) .___.
are there vods?
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I really appreciate the fact that they are changing stuff so things like Ra - July doesnt happen anymore.
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We all know that they decided not to cast games on Tuesday due to SotG  lol
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On April 15 2011 09:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. This isn't a solution for me, for example, for my conflict with MLG Columbus.
Hmm. Would "pre-poning" your match by a day help?
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Positive changes ftw. They seem to be making some changes on the fly so we don't have to wait to see improvements. Already day 2 was much better than day 1 imo and this will only continue to be the case.
Keep it up. I'm enjoying the games!
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On April 15 2011 09:08 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote:From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. This isn't a solution for me, for example, for my conflict with MLG Columbus. Hmm. Would "pre-poning" your match by a day help?
Nah I'd need two days. On Thursday afternoon I'll be traveling.
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Interesting. NASL has been live for two days and they are already running into issues. It is not like there was any precedence for this failure.
On April 15 2011 09:11 MrChex wrote:
Interesting. NASL has been live for two days and they are already running into issues. It is not like there was any precedence for this failure.
You could respect the league you signed up for and wait a day to travel and find a LAN to play in.
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They should just build in a bye week. Each player could have one bye week and they could rotate the schedule to accommodate their conflicts.
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On April 15 2011 09:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:08 TheTenthDoc wrote:On April 15 2011 09:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote:From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. This isn't a solution for me, for example, for my conflict with MLG Columbus. Hmm. Would "pre-poning" your match by a day help? Nah I'd need two days. On Thursday afternoon I'll be traveling.
Yikes. I don't envy NASL having to sort these scheduling conflicts especially around MLG time. I really hope they don't end up forcing to you to play during MLG itself or just giving you a loss...
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One of the many expected lumps and bumps for the first week for a such a large endeavor.
The NASL has it's issues that people are quick to be critical of, but it also has it's strengths. And I feel that the open communication and amazing website they have already up and running are a great base for them to communicate their plans to the community.
I feel the transparency professionalism that have been demonstrated by the league and it's staff are a testament to the commitment they have made to bring us a quality league. We can only hope they listen the community's feedback and continue to improve over the next 3(+) seasons.
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does this mean white-ra got fined?
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good thing that the NASL changed something about their production process... the way it was handled before would have led to many great macthes not being played
but i think a much more elegant solution to all these problems would be to simply cast the replays
- scheduling would be way easier and more flexible
- there would be no awkward transitions like when gretorp and diggity where hyping a game that was never going to happen. i also can imagine that i might be quite awkward for the whole production team to make a broadcast where one game happens after another out of the live cast where there are obviously some unexpected pauses between the games
imho a live replay cast has much less issues and seems easier to produce than a prerecorded live cast that has been cut together ( which is also way worse than a prerecorded replay cast)
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Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off.
This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool.
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On April 15 2011 09:14 Der_Magen wrote:
good thing that the NASL changed something about their production process... the way it was handled before would have led to many great macthes not being played
but i think a much more elegant solution to all these problems would be to simply cast the replays
- scheduling would be way easier and more flexible
- there would be no awkward transitions like when gretorp and diggity where hyping a game that was never going to happen. i also can imagine that i might be quite awkward for the whole production team to make a broadcast where one game happens after another out of the live cast where there are obviously some unexpected pauses between the games
imho a live replay cast has much less issues and seems easier to produce than a prerecorded live cast that has been cut together ( which is also way worse than a prerecorded replay cast)
People were really upset when it was first suggested that they cast replays - in this case, it really is a sort of lose-lose situation.
I do hope they can work something out for Tyler, I really want to see his games.
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Uhm, am I the only one that does not get it?
So Naniwa does not gain negative points. Is there a policy for that? Because it seems very arbitrary. If so, will the same happen to White-Ra retroactively? As far as I know White-Ra had better reasons for his absence.
Additionally, which message did Naniwa not get? The one which said that the postponement was fine for Strelok? Why is laddering a reason for default-loss (or tie...)? Could be part of his "rest" as laddering is nothing serious and you can relax while doing it. Kinda strange that Dignitas manager had no objections on awarding the game to Strelok.
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Good job being flexible and adressing these issues/concerns, NASL.
So Naniwa will end up with only 9 games on his record?
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I understand the scheduling change, but I disagree with NASL's decision to not give Naniwa the losses. I feel this way because they gave White-Ra the losses (justifiably so) when July was granted the walkover, and were also justified in giving Strelok the walkover... but when someone wins, someone else loses. I'm not a fan of the inconsistency in their decision-making.
July gets a walkover with wins, so therefore White-Ra gets losses.
Strelok gets a walkover with wins, so therefore... Naniwa doesn't get losses? I don't like that.
I think NASL and Strelok were extremely professional and accommodating by willing to let Naniwa reschedule, and when he lied about wanting to rest and then was too irresponsible to be where he needed to be (in the proper channel), it's his own fault. I don't see how NASL "could have communicated better" with Naniwa. Go to his house? And I don't think NASL honestly believes that either, considering they gave Strelok the win (which is a good move, considering it's not fair to the guy who actually did everything right). But, again, I don't like the fact that Naniwa doesn't get the losses.
And I guess it's the case that Naniwa should be fined as well or whatever logically follows from disobeying the rules. I personally find this decision to absolve Naniwa of all penalties (losses and fine) inconsistent and improper, and it's the first time I've pretty much disagreed with anything NASL has done so far.
But that being said, it seems that NASL is working hard to make sure future miscommunications like this do not arise, and I'm happy that they're trying to smoothen out the bumps. Looking forward to tonight's games
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On April 15 2011 09:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 15 2011 09:08 TheTenthDoc wrote:On April 15 2011 09:06 Liquid`Tyler wrote:From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. This isn't a solution for me, for example, for my conflict with MLG Columbus. Hmm. Would "pre-poning" your match by a day help? Nah I'd need two days. On Thursday afternoon I'll be traveling. Yikes. I don't envy NASL having to sort these scheduling conflicts especially around MLG time. I really hope they don't end up forcing to you to play during MLG itself or just giving you a loss...
Yeah I'm really not sure what's gonna happen. They have a while to figure it out and prepare in case it's gonna be a bizarre week for them. But this info they just released is kind of baffling because I think it's pretty obvious that giving players the option to postpone their match one day is not helpful in a lot of cases. For people playing early in the week, it definitely gives some very helpful additional time to travel and rest. For people playing later in the week, it seems like nonsense.
On April 15 2011 09:17 Aequos wrote:
I do hope they can work something out for Tyler, I really want to see his games.
I'm confident they'll work something out.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 bibbaly wrote:
Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off.
This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool. Tell that to the hundreds of people in the White-Ra July thread that are pissed for missing out on that match.
NASL seems committed to have the games actually played, and being more flexible and accommodating of the player's schedules (to an extent) helps with that. They should not be criticised, but lauded for this.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
tyler
It went from 0 days of postpone to 1 day (it's an improvement)
The MLG situations were always going to be a problem and need special treatment. This rule was always in conflict with it and the fix being applied is not addressing that issue because no realistic "rule" change would.
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On April 15 2011 09:11 MrChex wrote:Interesting. NASL has been live for two days and they are already running into issues. It is not like there was any precedence for this failure. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:11 MrChex wrote:
Interesting. NASL has been live for two days and they are already running into issues. It is not like there was any precedence for this failure. You could respect the league you signed up for and wait a day to travel and find a LAN to play in.
Did you just quote yourself and then give yourself a remark that conflicts with what you just said?
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I just hope White-Ra gets the same treatment as Naniwa. It'd be only fair to have him as not losing aka 0-0 and July winning.
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Good for them. I'm glad they recognized they needed to change and did. Doing it this early in there broadcasts shows they are probably taking criticism and listening to it. Glad they are working to improve in any way they can ;D
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On April 15 2011 09:23 iNcontroL wrote:
tyler
It went from 0 days of postpone to 1 day (it's an improvement)
The MLG situations were always going to be a problem and need special treatment. This rule was always in conflict with it and the fix being applied is not addressing that issue because no realistic "rule" change would.
Yeah I think that's pretty much what I've said so far...
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On April 15 2011 08:48 motbob wrote:
From now NASL will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events.
NASL will not put the decision to take a free win in the player's hands, since that put the player taking the free win in an uncomfortable position. NASL will make that decision themselves.
Great thing. Those 2 things were exactly that what I was thinking should be changed.
I don't get though how 0-0 is better for Nani than 0-2. In the end the wins count.
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I'm bummed. I liked the idea of Monday-Friday. I was ok with Tuesday-Saturday, now it's shifted even further. The advantage of Monday-Friday was they were the only game in town. Weekends aaaalways have various tournaments underway. I'd sooner see the games played monday-friday and friday games are simply delayed until that monday.
Edit as well: Players will have to start picking and choosing or reeeeally getting good at scheduling games properly for various events. People wont be able to compete in every tournament or league, and that's just a price to pay to stay in some of the bigger leagues.
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Russian Federation131 Posts
white-RA had better reasons, while naniwa was laddering ...it's so strange desicion
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And yes, the MLG weekend could turn out to be a total clusterfuck, I hope there are some contingency plans set up.
Players possibly affected by MLG Columbus conflicts (MLG participants playing on Thursday - Saturday):
Axslav
Slush
Naniwa
HayprO
dde
KawaiiRice
CatZ
Ret
Stalife
Machine
Drewbie
IdrA
Socke
Tyler
PainUser
uh oh
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Maybe some of the other tournaments should be flexible in accommodating NASL as well as the reverse? Seems like MLG would just have to agree to let players block off 1 hour to play their NASL match sometime during the weekend.
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On April 15 2011 09:23 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:16 bibbaly wrote:
Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off.
This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool. Tell that to the hundreds of people in the White-Ra July thread that are pissed for missing out on that match. NASL seems committed to have the games actually played, and being more flexible and accommodating of the player's schedules (to an extent) helps with that. They should not be criticised, but lauded for this.
I think its fair to say that everyone is disappointed that they couldn't see those games but it seems like they are changing the rulebook for naniwa and its bs. They need to set precedence and stick with it. Flip-flopping on a daily basis is not a good way to show the validity of your tournament.
With so many tournaments going on players need to be smart about what they sign up for, if they can't make an event then don't sign up for it. They are making fools of the people who are trying to run a league.
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On April 15 2011 09:18 SinCitta wrote:
Uhm, am I the only one that does not get it?
So Naniwa does not gain negative points. Is there a policy for that? Because it seems very arbitrary. If so, will the same happen to White-Ra retroactively? As far as I know White-Ra had better reasons for his absence.
Additionally, which message did Naniwa not get? The one which said that the postponement was fine for Strelok? Why is laddering a reason for default-loss (or tie...)? Could be part of his "rest" as laddering is nothing serious and you can relax while doing it. Kinda strange that Dignitas manager had no objections on awarding the game to Strelok.
Yeah... I don't get it either.
There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait.
Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us.
What message is it that naniwa didn't see?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:28 Bobster wrote:
And yes, the MLG weekend could turn out to be a total clusterfuck, I hope there are some contingency plans set up.
Players possibly affected by MLG Columbus conflicts (MLG participants playing on Thursday - Saturday):
Axslav
Slush
Naniwa
HayprO
dde
KawaiiRice
CatZ
Ret
Stalife
Machine
Drewbie
IdrA
Socke
Tyler
PainUser
uh oh
WHERE IS MEEEEEEEEEEE?
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On April 15 2011 09:17 Aequos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:14 Der_Magen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +good thing that the NASL changed something about their production process... the way it was handled before would have led to many great macthes not being played
but i think a much more elegant solution to all these problems would be to simply cast the replays
- scheduling would be way easier and more flexible
- there would be no awkward transitions like when gretorp and diggity where hyping a game that was never going to happen. i also can imagine that i might be quite awkward for the whole production team to make a broadcast where one game happens after another out of the live cast where there are obviously some unexpected pauses between the games
imho a live replay cast has much less issues and seems easier to produce than a prerecorded live cast that has been cut together ( which is also way worse than a prerecorded replay cast) People were really upset when it was first suggested that they cast replays - in this case, it really is a sort of lose-lose situation.
i think anyone who has watched TSL2/TSL3 and the last MLG Dallas will agree that replay cast are the way to go( obviously i'm comparing apples with pears but i think you get the idea)
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Since it's on a delay anyway, just cast from replays. This also helps reduce lag for the players.
Matches can be played by default on Monday the week before they are broadcast. If Monday is not appropriate for one or both of the players, then they must contact an admin and the other player by Friday two weeks prior to the broadcast. If no solution can be reached between the three parties by Sunday, the week prior to broadcast, one or both of the players will receive a forfeit loss. In the case that a player can only play at the default time on monday (ie, absolutely no schedule flexibility), they will also receive a forfeit loss.
This gives players essentially six days to play a match.
Anyway, just one idea of how scheduling could be done better. I remember in some leagues, people would receive a forfeit win for being inflexible about scheduling, and only agreeing to play at the default time.
In the case of a disconnect an admin should be immediately contacted, and the demo made available for review.
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On April 15 2011 09:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'm bummed. I liked the idea of Monday-Friday. I was ok with Tuesday-Saturday, now it's shifted even further. The advantage of Monday-Friday was they were the only game in town. Weekends aaaalways have various tournaments underway. I'd sooner see the games played monday-friday and friday games are simply delayed until that monday.
I somewhat prefer Monday-Friday as well, but I think it makes sense for NASL to hit weekend times for the sake of the players and possibly more viewers, since the times they're currently hitting goes past bed time on work days, even for many people in the intended US audience.
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The whole NASL system drives into something really crazy... just my opinion
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white-ra needs to have the same happen to him. since giving him an auto lose then going ahead and giving someone who didn't have a reak reason to not play a 0-0,
doesn't make sense to me as naniwa went and laddered, white-ra had dreamhack the same time as the match.
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So why didnt they postpone the White-ra/July game? everyone knew in advance that if he made the finals of dreamhack it would conflict with his NASL game, so why wasn't that decision anticipated beforehand? The rule says that if there schedule conflicts with a major LAN event they can postpone the match until the next day, which am pretty sure white-ra would have agreed on.
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On April 15 2011 09:31 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:28 Bobster wrote:
And yes, the MLG weekend could turn out to be a total clusterfuck, I hope there are some contingency plans set up.
Players possibly affected by MLG Columbus conflicts (MLG participants playing on Thursday - Saturday):
Axslav
Slush
Naniwa
HayprO
dde
KawaiiRice
CatZ
Ret
Stalife
Machine
Drewbie
IdrA
Socke
Tyler
PainUser
uh oh WHERE IS MEEEEEEEEEEE? I'd never forget you. <3
You're scheduled to play on Wednesday, that shouldn't be a problem. Or are you leaving that early for Columbus?
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Ya the production is first rate for e-sports, but this format is proving to be shaky. I suppose this is just it's infancy, however. Regardless, NaNiwa is one of the best couple players in this tournament, it'd be a shame if somehow this has an impact at a later juncture.
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They need to suck it up and just cast from replays. TSL can do it with minor issues, NASL should also be able to. The cast isn't "Live" to the viewers already, it wouldn't matter to the overwhelming amount of people if it was cast from replays. They now went from 24 hour delay to 48 hour delay. There are no different levels of "Live", you're either "Live" or your not.
Have players play all their matches the week before and then just sit down and cast replays nonstop. No needing to juggle your casting schedule with players schedule all over the world. The stress will drop dramatically and you'll have all that extra time to focus on production and getting the VOD's out on time.
This is not me being a debbie downer but, being realistic. People brought up these concerns in all the threads leading up to the NASL. NASL right now is jumping through IMMENSE hoops for very LITTLE benefit. NASL created a "Live" rigid schedule for no "Live" audience only their casters. All the drawbacks with none of the positives. Makes no sense.
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On April 15 2011 09:18 SinCitta wrote:
Uhm, am I the only one that does not get it?
So Naniwa does not gain negative points. Is there a policy for that? Because it seems very arbitrary. If so, will the same happen to White-Ra retroactively? As far as I know White-Ra had better reasons for his absence.
Additionally, which message did Naniwa not get? The one which said that the postponement was fine for Strelok? Why is laddering a reason for default-loss (or tie...)? Could be part of his "rest" as laddering is nothing serious and you can relax while doing it. Kinda strange that Dignitas manager had no objections on awarding the game to Strelok.
I'll have to echo this statement. White-ra had legitimate reasons for not being able to play his game but for Nani, there really is no excuse. Being "tired" is not valid enough reason to blow off your games vs. Strelok. I'm tired before work but I still go; same with everyone.
I'm quite curious to see how the 0-0 will affect things in the case of a tiebreaker. If Nani is 6-1 and Strelok is 6-2 does Strelok advance because he beat Nani? what if its another player?
It seems like NASL is complicating things even more. I personally felt the situation with Naniwa was very clear-cut: he didn't want to play his games and was awarded the loss. Why the backtracking and pandering? Management needs to be more firm with its disciplines ESPECIALLY since Naniwa has a history of these kind of behaviors.
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I like that they don't cast from replays. It's cool to get the winner's reaction in the interview right after the games. I also don't understand how players can't adjust their schedules around finding a PC cafe or something to play their games.
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So I asked in the NASL chat on JTV why they don't just bite the bullet and start to cast from replays. I mean they're already delaying the games by 2 days so I don't know how anyone can still feel there is a semblance of these being live. Casting from replays can still give rise to the emotions people like about live casting as the TSL and other tournaments have shown. There is also the benefit of allowing more leeway with respect to player schedules and making casting the games in a block easier for the casters.
The response to I got from mods in the JTV chat was saying casting from replays would cause sync issues like the kind they had in the Clash of the Titans. Then I asked why TSL was able to do it fine. My message was then promptly deleted and I was banned so... ><. Of course casting from replays would upset some people but I don't see how the viewer experience would be different than how it is now. On the other hand it would seem that it would be a benefit to both players and the nasl in terms of easier production.
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On April 15 2011 09:41 gumb3rcul3s wrote:
So I asked in the NASL chat on JTV why they don't just bite the bullet and start to cast from replays. I mean they're already delaying the games by 2 days so I don't know how anyone can still feel there is a semblance of these being live. Casting from replays can still give rise to the emotions people like about live casting as the TSL and other tournaments have shown. There is also the benefit of allowing more leeway with respect to player schedules and making casting the games in a block easier for the casters.
The response to I got from mods in the JTV chat was saying casting from replays would cause sync issues like the kind they had in the Clash of the Titans. Then I asked why TSL was able to do it fine. My message was then promptly deleted and I was banned so... ><. Of course casting from replays would upset some people but I don't see how the viewer experience would be different than how it is now. On the other hand it would seem that it would be a benefit to both players and the nasl in terms of easier production.
Well you may not know it, but there have been some sync issues I've noticed. The casters prepare for it but you can tell when one of the casters is off by a few seconds.
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So what does this mean for White-ra? He seems to have missed the rule change by like 2 days.
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What about WhiteRa? He should also get 0-0. If the decision has been already made, then make Naniwa pay. He just simply acted like asshole and you are going to forgive him his attitude?
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I don't understand why they change the rules for one player but not another player?
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On April 15 2011 09:45 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:41 gumb3rcul3s wrote:
So I asked in the NASL chat on JTV why they don't just bite the bullet and start to cast from replays. I mean they're already delaying the games by 2 days so I don't know how anyone can still feel there is a semblance of these being live. Casting from replays can still give rise to the emotions people like about live casting as the TSL and other tournaments have shown. There is also the benefit of allowing more leeway with respect to player schedules and making casting the games in a block easier for the casters.
The response to I got from mods in the JTV chat was saying casting from replays would cause sync issues like the kind they had in the Clash of the Titans. Then I asked why TSL was able to do it fine. My message was then promptly deleted and I was banned so... ><. Of course casting from replays would upset some people but I don't see how the viewer experience would be different than how it is now. On the other hand it would seem that it would be a benefit to both players and the nasl in terms of easier production. Well you may not know it, but there have been some sync issues I've noticed. The casters prepare for it but you can tell when one of the casters is off by a few seconds.
Yeah, forgot what day it was but when DJWheat was casting a game on Shakuras he was clearly behind by 7 or 8 seconds screaming about a dropship that had already died.
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United States7483 Posts
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Two totally avoidable blunders by NASL in 2 days.
By giving FREE points to strelok without taking points away from Naniwa is very unfair to the other players in the group.
You guys just added a blunder on a blunder. At least with july vs white-ra you had a zero sum result and the group wasn't hurt. Now you have naniwa ahead of at least 3 players in points without playing any games. That's pretty dumb. I'm a huge naniwa fan, but I'm amazed how you can't see this would cause a problem.
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On April 15 2011 09:51 starcraft911 wrote:
You guys just added a blunder on a blunder. At least with july vs white-ra you had a zero sum result and the group wasn't hurt. Now you have naniwa ahead of at least 3 players in points without playing any games. That's pretty dumb. I'm a huge naniwa fan, but I'm amazed how you can't see this would cause a problem.
yes this is a good point
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On April 15 2011 09:47 bibbaly wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:45 Inky87 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:41 gumb3rcul3s wrote:
So I asked in the NASL chat on JTV why they don't just bite the bullet and start to cast from replays. I mean they're already delaying the games by 2 days so I don't know how anyone can still feel there is a semblance of these being live. Casting from replays can still give rise to the emotions people like about live casting as the TSL and other tournaments have shown. There is also the benefit of allowing more leeway with respect to player schedules and making casting the games in a block easier for the casters.
The response to I got from mods in the JTV chat was saying casting from replays would cause sync issues like the kind they had in the Clash of the Titans. Then I asked why TSL was able to do it fine. My message was then promptly deleted and I was banned so... ><. Of course casting from replays would upset some people but I don't see how the viewer experience would be different than how it is now. On the other hand it would seem that it would be a benefit to both players and the nasl in terms of easier production. Well you may not know it, but there have been some sync issues I've noticed. The casters prepare for it but you can tell when one of the casters is off by a few seconds. Yeah, forgot what day it was but when DJWheat was casting a game on Shakuras he was clearly behind by 7 or 8 seconds screaming about a dropship that had already died.
Yeah, it's obvious they have some type of app that helps sync the replays because others have been enormously off with no real way to recover and the TSL is never off by more than a 5 - 10 seconds; however, they've still gotten off-sync by a few seconds here & there most days. Maybe the app is warning them and the casters don't notice it or something - I dunno.
Regardless, I think it's a sensible compromise at least for MLG weekend otherwise they're gonna have to shift their schedule by a ton or something; I dunno.
At the end of the day, it's awesome NASL is doing their best to make sure we get to see good games and the players aren't shafted out of $250 because leagues other than the NASL exist :-D
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I'm astounded that the NASL is treating a player who basically lied (Nanawi) on the same level as a player who is simply being punished for reaching the final of a big tournament (dreamhack)? Bite the bullet and award Whitera a 0-0 or Nanawi 0-2...
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Seems to me like the best solution is to cast from replays. You don't need to cast every game from replay but the ones that are not able to be casted live could have been casted from replays instead.
We're allready down two really epic matches in three days. Im sure that the one day postponing will help but as tyler says it's not enough. And I think everyone agree replay or not, the most important thing is that the games get played.
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Sorry if this has been answered, but will White-ra's record be swept clean, like naniwa's, i hope so.
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You guys are forgetting about the fact that Dreamhack was over when it was time for White-Ra's match! He had four hours to respond back to NASL!! You guys are simply "forgetting" the details to make it out like White-Ra is the victim. I love the guy too, but I'm calling it like I see it. Fact is, he had ample time to make it to a local PC bang (as Sjow did).
Once again to reiterate for you fine folk: Dreamhack was over by the time the match was set up to go. How do I know this? Because NASL was asking Dreamhack to not pack one PC for White-Ra to use, they declined because they wanted to get everything packed to get out of there..
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First off, I tip my hat to /everyone/ involved with NASL. Whatever they doing, however it may be coming off / across, they are doing /for/ esports [and I am not, so I don't get to complain].
The only thing I regret is that I spent the better part of this week advertising the 'awesome matches that you /have/ to watch from these beastly players' to all of my non starcraft playing friends. We even set up a lan / nasl viewing party for Friday night [and tbh, that's harder than it sounds in a not so prone to 'watch people play videogames' country, :D]. With Friday being called off, the night will now be spent playing quake3. Which sucks since it was a good chance to get these guys interested in SC2.
Shit happens.
Keep up the good work!
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The explanation needs a timeline because it sounds like a knee jerk reaction to offer the free win to strelok just because NASL admins saw Naniwa laddering. Did they even wait out the obligatory 45mins that is in the rules? Especially after the previous situation with July and White Ra when you waited 4 hours before making a decision. The lack of timeline also makes odee look like an idiot for agreeing with the walkover as though he didn't even try to contact Naniwa at the time either.
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I will agree that it goes to the credibility of the league that it's arbitrarily enforcing its rules. From a league standpoint a missed match is a missed match, selectively enforcing rules damages the credibility of the league.
NASL, though not a LAN, should be considered VERY important for its players. I can understand White-Ra choosing a shot at $15k over playing his NASL round #1 group match match, but everyone else has VOLUNTARILY signed up for a tournament that is scheduled to give away more money than any individual GSL so far. If anything this year of competition has shown is that there is a lot of parity at the top levels of play and every match is going to matter if you want a shot at the big money after the group stages. Giving Naniwa 0 points makes no sense. Because of this, I think its a serious mistake for any player that is offered a forfeit to not take it. He should be given a loss according to the rules, or NASL should have a rule regarding makeup matches. It's only been 2 days and already 2 matches have had no-shows, and both have been handled very differently.
tl;dr: NASL needs to enforce its own rules, else it risks its credibility. Players need to respect the league and learn to manage thier schedules and prioritize this league.
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On April 15 2011 09:55 luke3920 wrote:
I'm astounded that the NASL is treating a player who basically lied (Nanawi) on the same level as a player who is simply being punished for reaching the final of a big tournament (dreamhack)? Bite the bullet and award Whitera a 0-0 or Nanawi 0-2...
Naniwa contacted NASL and asked for postponing.
WhiteRa just didnt show up at all.
Its beyond me what is so difficult to comprehend there. Guess its just fanboyism that hampers the thinking process.
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United States13896 Posts
All I have to say is
Couldn't they have announced this before I added every single event to the calendar? jk but I'm not looking forward to editing every play day now T-T
Will still watch as much as I can!
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Firstly, lol @ Inc's comment.
Secondly, I guess this will help, but don't know how one day will be able to solve all conflicts. MLG and all are pretty long events, and I can't see how the White-ra situation can't be avoided if the organizer doesn't decide to make an exception for the player. Seems pretty flimsy atm imo.
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On April 15 2011 10:10 moltenlead wrote:
Firstly, lol @ Inc's comment.
Secondly, I guess this will help, but don't know how one day will be able to solve all conflicts. MLG and all are pretty long events, and I can't see how the White-ra situation can't be avoided if the organizer doesn't decide to make an exception for the player. Seems pretty flimsy atm imo.
They were ready to postpone the WhiteRa game a few hours.
If I got it right, it would have been suficient to wait for 1 hour so that WhiteRa could complete the final. NASL waited even 4 hours, but WhiteRa simply did not show up / contact them even after his final was done.
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All I think is if you are going to change your rule since it's so early in the season it should retroactively effect whitera-july since it's the beginning of the season. I don't see why different groups should have different results from the same situation of players not showing.
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And thats why Naniwa got kicked out of German EPS. He is just unprofessional
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Are they using some kind of colour filter? It looks more like SC2 than SC2 does xD
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Good job to NASL for having the courage to major significant changes early, as needed, in their first season of this very ambitious league. Managing a top tier caliber group of players from many languages, countries, time zones, lifestyles, etc is no small task and should not be diminished.
The quality of the streams has been exceptional, while slightly laggy here and there on the first night, for the most part it has been excellent quality and worth watching every game. The VODs have been excellent to watch on my widescreen minitor it looked as perfect as if I were actually watching a replay with commentary.
Thanks for your hard work gentlemen!
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God damn, all the BNet connectivity issues. ><
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I hope the NASL will eventually realise that some players like Naniwa just don't give a fuck about their league. Postponing games over and over again without penalties just doesn't work.
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Either both White-Ra and Naniwa should get 0-2, or both should get 0-0. It's a rather arbitrary inconsistency. Personally I think it should be 0-2. The rules when players applied were clearly stated, as Strelock pointed out in his interview.
As far as the clash with like a third of NASL with MLG Colombus... NASL knew ahead of time (they stated repeatedly) about MLG's scheduling, and were planning around it. If they don't have a plan, then they lied in their hype. That's more of a parallel matter though of course.
NASL HAS to play hardball on their rules. It's unfair to the players such as Strelock and July who show up and wait, and are patient, and cut their opponents slack, when their opponents don't show up, their opponent SHOULDN'T just remain 0-0. They lost, because they didn't show up. If it's scheduling conflicts, it's NASL's job to either attempt to reschedule people, or award a game win/loss appropriately. So far one player has a loss which some think is unfair, one player has a 0-0 record which some think is unfair, and the lack of consistency hints a lack of professionalism.
NASL needs to sort out their inconsistencies, and sort out lower quality VODs, and they will be everything they want to be. But currently they're falling short, and while I'm sure they're learning from it, they need to learn a lot faster, before the number of potential "I was seeing how it went before buying" customers disappear forever.
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thats great step towards improving the show, i like how swiftly nasl gets "patched" ^^
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Being 0-0 with 1 game less to play is kinda the same as 0-1 tbh, if both him and Strelok win all their matches Strelok will be 9-0 and Naniwa 8-0 thus being second, kinda same as if he received a loss.
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Having 2-0 and 0-0 breaks the law of equivalent exchange. Consistency for that division goes out the window. It essentially means Naniwa only has to play 8 games which depending on the situation, can actually favor him.
Just punish him 2-1, if they don't want to levy a heavier reprimand.
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On April 15 2011 10:27 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Having 2-0 and 0-0 breaks the law of equivalent exchange. Consistency for that division goes out the window. It essentially means Naniwa only has to play 8 games which depending on the situation, can actually favor him.
Just punish him 2-1, if don't to levy a heavier reprimand.
Yeah, I think this can actually cause a shit ton of complications later on in the group stage. Dunno how they're gonna do tiebreakers with this situation.
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On April 15 2011 08:53 yamato77 wrote:
It seems like NASL is a little too sensitive to forum-goer feedback.
I don't see how it's a problem that they are responding to fan feedback.
With regards to the OP, I really like the changes that are being made. It shows an open mind and flexibility on NASL's part. Good job!
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I guess Strelok had quite the rant... kinda want to see that lol
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I like both of these changes except shifting the schedule a day since there are sooooo many tournaments Sundays, but that's alright, they've been prompt in addressing every issue and have done a great job so far.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Whatever you do, you cannot leave Naniwa at 0-0. It can cause huge problems towards the latter stages of the group games and unfairly affect other players. Either give Strelok the standard 2-0 W.O or make them play the game. You could also try giving Strelok a 2-1 win but that can still come back to bite you on the butt. You should reconsider this immediately.
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There should be one time, and one time only for players to play. If it's a professional league, then act like it. Professional sports teams do not get to choose when they play. These are professional gamers, and you're supposed to be providing a professional venue for them to play the game. This is their job. They gotta show up on time, just like anybody else. Not to mention it's over the internet, which makes it obscenely easy to show up and play.
Are you so afraid that forum people will get mad if a few matches don't get played?? If anything, people have been complaining about there being too many matches.
But the important take home message is: stop listening to the forum rabble so much.
Any player who doesn't show should get a 0-2.
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Why is everybody saying that NASL shouldn't worry too much about forum readers' opinions? Forum readers are THE foundation of their business. I love the way they have handled the situations so far, it shows adaptability and a willingness to listen to the people. Things may not be working out perfectly even with the changes but at least they are trying. It's only the first season, they will figure things out soon. In the mean time relax and enjoy the action.
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NASL: Do be careful how much you change the rules throughout the course of a season... this might be ok once in a while but if it starts to become the rule and not the exception than why bother with your rules. Communicating with players is a huge labor, I know this from my personal experiences being the main man for all the invitations for the Justin.tv Invitationals and other events that my company has handled directly.
Sometimes constant reminders are necessary to ensure that things work out properly with these players, especially with such wide timezone differences and other logistical concerns that your organization has to deal with. There's never such a thing as too little communication when the stakes are as high as they are in your league, so err on the side of over-communication since the players have invested significant money into ensuring their participation and that they don't pull any sneaky business. I for one know I've pulled a few all-nighters when inviting players just so I can ensure I can contact players live when it's convenient for them, rather than myself, just to ensure that the message is CRYSTAL clear when it is necessary.
I look forward to the ongoing season and hopefully less hiccups can occur and you learn very quickly from these minor nuisances that arise. Keep your chin up, your heads high, and just keep on casting high quality matches and you'll do well. Just make sure the players understand just how much is at stake as things progress. Thanks...
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Such horrible communication between the teams. It should be mandatory to have a contact number if you want to participate in the league. Hopefully they get that situation sorted out.
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just think for a moment if this had been GSL instead of NASL. or NASL live finals instead of NASL online rounds. were letting the fact this event was online have way to much impact on our opinion.
if either player had pulled this with two live events we would be railing against the player for booking himself to events on opposing sides of the globe at the same time. professional gaming means taking your job with some professionalism. and its sad NASL needs a fineing system to enforce professional behaviour with money.
White-Ra - messaging: oops I made it to the finals, can we fix this last minute because i hadn’t planned ahead on the assumption i'd make the finals - not professional
NaNiwa - messaging: oops, travel lag CBF playing ATM, just got back from a tournament I didn’t compete in and therefore could have flown home at a time of my choosing - not professional
Me - messaging: sorry boss my holiday ended up running a day over, i wont be back into work when i said i would - not professional
Its up to the professionals that have committed themselves to the NASL tournament and its format to come to NASL hat-in-hand, ahead of time and beg for some flexibility so that they can attend other events.
Not because NASL is the beastly titan that players should not dare to question or worship NASL and attend no other event. but because it’s professional courtesy to attend events you commited to and if you cant make other events work around that, then pick one and dont attend the other event. double booking yourself to events is not a professional way to act. and then tournaments will get the message to either co-operate and avoid conflict or see the best players attend the better events when forced to choose.
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+ Show Spoiler +Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline .
Its disappointing to me that NASL is having so much trouble just getting players to show up on time. I understand there are circumstances where other premier lan events can get in the way but overall I feel a professional in any venue should at the very least be punctual.
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I wonder if the scope and nature of the problems the NASL has been having are within the margins that they expected.
Thus far, I'd say the fault for the problems encountered can be spread fairly thin. It doesn't seem like anybody has really and truly dropped the ball, but rather there have just been a series of unfortunate events and minor mistakes. Certainly nothing unforgivable.
However, I don't feel that the NASL has lived up to it's hype yet. The production value has been decent, but nothing like the revolutionary quality that we were promised. And though I can hardly fault the NASL for it, the quality of a lot of the games thus far has been somewhat lackluster. It seems quite clear to me that their are still many tiers of skill within the "top 50 players in the world". I think time is the only solution to that last problem. As the top tier of players start to plateau and the rest start to catch up, then we'll see some more evenly matched games.
It's still very early in the tournament though, and none of the problems within the NASL's control are insurmountable. I'm confident that if they just keep at and keep smoothing out the wrinkles as they come along, we'll eventually reach the tournament that everyone was hoping for, and these early bumps will be but a hazy memory.
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On April 15 2011 12:24 Ryno00 wrote:
jWhite-Ra - messaging: oops I made it to the finals, can we fix this last minute because i hadn’t planned ahead on the assumption i'd make the finals - not professional
NaNiwa - messaging: oops, travel lag CBF playing ATM, just got back from a tournament I didn’t compete in and therefore could have flown home at a time of my choosing - not professional
Me - messaging: sorry boss my holiday ended up running a day over, i wont be back into work when i said i would - not professional
Its up to the professionals that have committed themselves to the NASL tournament and its format to come to NASL hat-in-hand, ahead of time and beg for some flexibility so that they can attend other events.
Bad analogy is bad.
It's more like -
White-Ra - doesn't show up for and doesn't call his boss that he's calling out that day.
Naniwa - doesn't show up for work but informs his boss he's taking a personal day and the boss says it's fine.
Regular People - If I don't show up for work AND don't tell anyone, I get punished/fired. If I don't show up for work, but take a PTO/personal/sick day and my boss approves it, I still have my job.
What most of you continue to not grasp is that NASL tried to make arrangements for White-Ra, tried to contact him for several hours and White-Ra disappeared like Kaiser Soze in the Swedish mist. There's no excuse for no communication in this day and age of technology and those of you not placing any responsibility on White-Ra just don't understand how the real world works.
Open lines of communication between White-Ra and the NASL would have prevented his -1 forfeit and the NASL made every attempt to do so - it was White-Ra's responsibility to at least communicate his dilemma/intentions.
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On April 15 2011 12:56 hagrin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:24 Ryno00 wrote:
jWhite-Ra - messaging: oops I made it to the finals, can we fix this last minute because i hadn’t planned ahead on the assumption i'd make the finals - not professional
NaNiwa - messaging: oops, travel lag CBF playing ATM, just got back from a tournament I didn’t compete in and therefore could have flown home at a time of my choosing - not professional
Me - messaging: sorry boss my holiday ended up running a day over, i wont be back into work when i said i would - not professional
Its up to the professionals that have committed themselves to the NASL tournament and its format to come to NASL hat-in-hand, ahead of time and beg for some flexibility so that they can attend other events. Bad analogy is bad. It's more like - White-Ra - doesn't show up for and doesn't call his boss that he's calling out that day. Naniwa - doesn't show up for work but informs his boss he's taking a personal day and the boss says it's fine. Regular People - If I don't show up for work AND don't tell anyone, I get punished/fired. If I don't show up for work, but take a PTO/personal/sick day and my boss approves it, I still have my job. What most of you continue to not grasp is that NASL tried to make arrangements for White-Ra, tried to contact him for several hours and White-Ra disappeared like Kaiser Soze in the Swedish mist. There's no excuse for no communication in this day and age of technology and those of you not placing any responsibility on White-Ra just don't understand how the real world works. Open lines of communication between White-Ra and the NASL would have prevented his -1 forfeit and the NASL made every attempt to do so - it was White-Ra's responsibility to at least communicate his dilemma/intentions.
i was not making an analogy i was drawing a comparison between White and Nani's unprofessional behavior in the pro gaming scene and a more common real-world example of unprofessional behavior.
i think were agree here. white-ra was at fault. your argument is that it was because he did not effectively communicate with the NASL after finding himself in the DH finals i thought that when i learnt about this yesterday.
but now my argument is that the fault began before that, that a professional player and management team, planning ahead of time should have assumed he would make the finals and approached NASL the day/week/fortnight beforehand. he was first up for that nights casts and could have been moved to a later time slot (even last for the night) to try and make it after the finals would end. Sjow competed in dreamhack and made his NASL match on the same night at White-Ra by planning ahead and finding a LAN center close by after already being sloted to the final match of the night starting after DH ended.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 bibbaly wrote:
Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off.
This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool.
I am in the minority but I agree with this. I understand NASL is trying to help the players out, but they should enforce their rules and schedule and not have to change much due to complaints or players not showing up. Players are aware of the implications of potential scheduling conflicts and it is on them not the league. If you want to skip out on a chance of a huge prize pool then that is your decision. There will always be conflicts, and I am surprised NASL is getting this much criticism from the community. I cannot imagine a top tier tournament/league(if that is what NASL is striving for) being forced to schedule around smaller ones.
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Makes a lot of sense. You don't really want 2 of 5 days a week being fri/sat evenings
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On April 15 2011 10:47 Telcontar wrote:
Whatever you do, you cannot leave Naniwa at 0-0. It can cause huge problems towards the latter stages of the group games and unfairly affect other players. Either give Strelok the standard 2-0 W.O or make them play the game. You could also try giving Strelok a 2-1 win but that can still come back to bite you on the butt. You should reconsider this immediately.
This is the part that puzzled me, too. I understand that they're trying to come up with the best solution they can to problems that are cropping up, and the other changes both seem good and reasonable. But how can you not give Naniwa a loss? I mean, he'll be the only person with 9 games, not 10. I'm not sure how they're doing tie-breakers, but especially considering that even the lower positions in the group will effect seeding into the next round, it seems like this could make things awkward because they may have to make an arbitrary decision about how to rank him with one less game.
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I guess this is the downside of an online league, still global players are good
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This is gonna end up in an uncomfortable situation if one player doesnt show up first day because he wishes to postpone, and the other guy doesnt show up second day. And what if the other guy has some legitimate reason known ahead of time that he'll be travelling during the second day? How can you allow the first guy to postpone the first day then? This also open up for a lot of questionable postponing (in my eyes, needing rest like Niniwa wanted isnt an acceptable postpone reason).
Illness, sure if its serious (but still has the problem you cant know they're ill).
Obvious scheduling issues which is known ahead of time, sure.
Needing rest, not feeling good, rather playing later, rather play at another venue than where they are atm, rather ladder-practice more and play next day, etc etc, no. Should be default losses.
Liked the Whitera decision. Didnt like this one. Should be either 0-2 or just a regame which you play at some random time in the future off air (or bake into another day for a 6 match day).
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What a clusterf...
Naniwa was not logger into the player channel? Is this something official you inform each player they have to be logged in to? Is this the form of communication you have decided upon?
Okay, you are learning as you go by i get that, so you should really do a flow-chart or something for how communication should go so every time something happens you know where to go to inform players. And then make sure the players are informed aswell.
This is a bit like "i left a message on his answering machine and he never got it but we still decided to DQ him from the tournament".
*edit* Not to mention a player asking for a postpone because he was at a tournament he did not even play in and it was accepted...
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1. I like how transparent NASL is being about all this.
2. Everyone needs to give NASL a break until at least the end of this first season. It's a brand new league and they deserve patience in getting all the details smoothed out.
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One thing I would suggest is making maps which don't show who won the game so people who lurk IdrA's battlenet page won't spoil the results for everyone else 
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On April 15 2011 09:53 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:51 starcraft911 wrote:
You guys just added a blunder on a blunder. At least with july vs white-ra you had a zero sum result and the group wasn't hurt. Now you have naniwa ahead of at least 3 players in points without playing any games. That's pretty dumb. I'm a huge naniwa fan, but I'm amazed how you can't see this would cause a problem.
yes this is a good point
I was wondering about that as well. So a point just magically came out of nowhere? Stick to your guns and have some consistency in your decisions. I feel like you're trying to appease different crowds or something. Your decisions with July vs White Ra made sense, except for having July decide the outcome (which you've rectified with your new policy.) Breaking the zero sum is a bad idea though.
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I dont really understand what happened? Naniwa asked, you agreed, but then decided his rest must be spent in specific ways?
If rest isnt a valid reason, dont agree in the first place?
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On April 15 2011 15:44 GGruss wrote:
I dont really understand what happened? Naniwa asked, you agreed, but then decided his rest must be spent in specific ways?
If rest isnt a valid reason, dont agree in the first place?
Also this.
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I do agree with some previous posters that the league has in a minor way been compromised by the decision to keep Naniwa at a 0 point advantage compared to the other players who played and lost. On the other hand we've got to realise that NASL is dealing with live people here and there is bound to be some miscommunication along the way, as there is with almost everything.
I think that we will see a much more firm hand from the NASL after the first two weeks as they'll work out the kinks with both the players and the league system. Most likely we won't see any problems arise out of the Naniwa points seeing as this is a long and comprehensive league. If a player gets to be in the top 34 after these 9-10 weeks he probably deserves to be there.
All that said I hope for the best of the NASL and that we as a community may have lots of SC2 to enjoy.
*Just noted on: http://nasl.tv/Standings that Naniwa is listed as having -2 points. Minor misprint or making sure the league stays on track?
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Good on them for recognizing that they cannot leave the decision up to the players, that's actually the most awkward position (publicly no less) you could put them in.
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Ok four things......
IF you have a tournament for 100K USD why the fuck dont you make sure to have telephone nr and other means to contanct the players than some chat channel?
Secondly how can you not plan matches weeks in advance and ensure that players have the ability to play on that specific date?
Thirdly it has to be a disadvantage for Naniwa regardless of if his score is now 0-0 or 0-1 since he has one less opportunity to win a game and wins are counted before losses. Only if he has equal amount of wins as an other player this will come in to play. And all this is because of YOUR screw up as admins....
Lastly if Naniwa is not punished with a loss then how come his record shows 0-1 -2 in the NASL databook?
This is just horrible! First you dont include the best Terran in Europe who is just tearing up the TSL (Thorzain) then you screw up TWO anticipated matches (July-WhiteRa and Naniwa-Strelok
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On April 15 2011 16:41 Almtom wrote:
Ok four things......
IF you have a tournament for 100K USD why the fuck dont you make sure to have telephone nr and other means to contanct the players than some chat channel?
They do. They just didn't feel the need to as stated in the OP, since the matter was apparently cleared up.
Secondly how can you not plan matches weeks in advance and ensure that players have the ability to play on that specific date?
If that were to happen, the entire league system would be disorganized because it's one league revolving around 50 different players.
Thirdly it has to be a disadvantage for Naniwa regardless of if his score is now 0-0 or 0-1 since he has one less opportunity to win a game and wins are counted before losses. Only if he has equal amount of wins as an other player this will come in to play. And all this is because of YOUR screw up as admins....
They admitted to it and have taken measures to prevent these things from happening in the future, again as stated in the OP.
Lastly if Naniwa is not punished with a loss then how come his record shows 0-1 -2 in the NASL databook?
I'm sure it will play out. Either it was a mistake or they're doing it so that the division will work itself out.
This is just horrible! First you dont include the best Terran in Europe who is just tearing up the TSL (Thorzain) then you screw up TWO anticipated matches (July-WhiteRa and Naniwa-Strelok
Biased argument, which warrants no response. The two anticipated matches were affected because of the players. July-Whitera didn't happen because Whitera had to play in the Dreamhack finals, and July was up at 4 AM to play his games, delayed for four hours, and finally was rewarded a 2-0 victory. There's a thread about this, but you can probably find that yourself. It's kind of discreet, because it has [NASL] as a header.
Look at the OP for the Naniwa-Strelok issue. Again, this is a result of working around the player's schedule, which, in my opinion, the NASL has done more than enough of. I really appreciate that they are somewhat flexible with their broadcasting and gameplay schedule, but if they let this go on then the league will become chaotic.
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My personal opinion is that:
- Games should be cast from replays.
- Original games should be played at a specific time, with an observer recording the game for the caster, UNLESS, both players agree to any other time to play (and they'd be free to pick basically any time).
It would make it smoother, and I feel that is more important than some feeling of "live".
However, I also support the organizers right to do things the way they feel it should be done. Their priviledge. I'd just prefer another choice
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Good change, many times in the online cups when it gets late or players have been waiting for hours in the finals the admins will allow the matches to reschedule. SC2Reddit invititational finals anyone? They literally moved the climax of the whole event over to a different date because of issues and it worked out quite swell. They had even more viewers than they would've had on the original day.
So the leniency is very good, especially since it's only started a few days and already there is a count of these scheduling conflicts occuring.
If it will be made known in advance, I can't imagine people have a problem with it, instead of being psyched you know it's not gonna be today but tomorrow and you will just be psyched for then and most important of all. Get to see the games as well as have the league unfold the way it's supposed to.
Had this change not been implemented after a month there would a billion holes in the standings and we would probably get a lot of speculation and theorycrafting into how different the standings would be if those were to be filled with a certain result.
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NASL is just overreacting to everything because there are so many comments. You guys have done more than enough reaching out and trying to work with players, at some point you just need to say hey it is too damn bad if you miss your match.
It is fine if players have a lot of things on their plate but that isn't NASL's responsibility. If there is contact far in advance of a conflict that is reasonable but come on guys. Grow some damn balls, your whole staff was waiting for hours for this damn match combined with the hours more of editing it would take if you had to do other matches out of order.
It just sucks that you guys are going to kill a lot of your broadcasting numbers by competing with other tournaments on the weekends all because it is a little less work and players are irresponsible. The fans want to see games that is for sure but I think I speak for most fans when I say screw unprofessional players. Now players will be much more likely to make bull shit excuses, which if anyone has ever played in any kind of team game is inevitable and the most annoying part of giving people time.
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I am amused by attitude of some people in that thread, saying that "this is your tournament" and "players who applied should commit to NASL"
So what you're saying is that by applying to NASL players should stop participating in any other offline tournaments? Because with 9 week of daily games there WILL be scheduling conflicts with every major event. Yes, NASL does have a nice prize pool, but it's not worth abandoning all the other events. Heck, even GSL is hardly worth it (but GOM doesn't like to have competition, and they have exclusive rights in SK)
NASL should not force its participants to cancel their participation in other events, and I am glad that they finally realised it.
PS. And stop that BS about White-Ra. It was stated a number of times, that he was in contact with NASL up until his final game with MC (which started exactly when his match with July should have taken place), and by that time he was told that a) his game can not be re-scheduled and b) he will get auto-loss after 45 minutes.
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haha, how many more confilcits and players not turning up do you expect???
The is going to be loads, sorry, but a tourney whihce apparently is already casted from replays the is like so many ways that can be helped with conflicts. What happens when the koreans are playing GSL or when europeans travel to american tourneys and they need a day eithier side of competing travelling to and from a tournament if even that, sorry one day just doesnt seem fair at all...
Not to mention changing the rules, white-ra gets docked points even thoguh hes ina final of a prearranegd event and Nani laddering when hes meant to play, sorry so badyl incistent. You should of eithier been extremely strict and not one rule for one and one rule for another.
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Too many SC events outside Korea to play ? Can't believe it's happening !
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Props for dealing with this swiftly. Good decisions all around.
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Get good tingles reading this, always cool to see people adapting and trying to improve in imperfect situations
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I'm a little disappointed by the lack of professionalism by some players.
I mean not beaing able to play due to any circumstances can always happen, but the one thing that annoys me and every tournament organizer i guess is lack of communication. What is so hard about making a phone call or whatever in a situation like that? It really shows lack of respect for others. In this case the players knew way ahead what to expect and playing once a week and showing up on time is the least one could ask for. Again if there is a scheduling problem, just talk to your opponent and the admins, if you don't talk, noone can help you and situations like these occur.
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Nasl is such a failure, i won't even watch it.
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On April 15 2011 17:30 Alexj wrote:
I am amused by attitude of some people in that thread, saying that "this is your tournament" and "players who applied should commit to NASL"
So what you're saying is that by applying to NASL players should stop participating in any other offline tournaments? Because with 9 week of daily games there WILL be scheduling conflicts with every major event. Yes, NASL does have a nice prize pool, but it's not worth abandoning all the other events. Heck, even GSL is hardly worth it (but GOM doesn't like to have competition, and they have exclusive rights in SK)
NASL should not force its participants to cancel their participation in other events, and I am glad that they finally realised it.
PS. And stop that BS about White-Ra. It was stated a number of times, that he was in contact with NASL up until his final game with MC (which started exactly when his match with July should have taken place), and by that time he was told that a) his game can not be re-scheduled and b) he will get auto-loss after 45 minutes.
I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that committing to NASL means not participating in other tournaments. Sjow managed to play his NASL match while still participating in Dreamhack. Fact is, players need to take responsibility for what they do. NASL's job is not to be the personal secretary of all 50 players and build the tournament around THEIR schedules.
You act like participating in a league is a RIGHT. It's actually a privilege and a choice. Simple rule of thumb for players: Don't sign up for two conflicting events if you are unable to somehow make it work. How is that unreasonable in the slightest? If the players who had game postpones/automatic forfeits were random nobodies, would you even care to post on their behalf or defend their position? Doubtful.
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On April 15 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 17:30 Alexj wrote:
I am amused by attitude of some people in that thread, saying that "this is your tournament" and "players who applied should commit to NASL"
So what you're saying is that by applying to NASL players should stop participating in any other offline tournaments? Because with 9 week of daily games there WILL be scheduling conflicts with every major event. Yes, NASL does have a nice prize pool, but it's not worth abandoning all the other events. Heck, even GSL is hardly worth it (but GOM doesn't like to have competition, and they have exclusive rights in SK)
NASL should not force its participants to cancel their participation in other events, and I am glad that they finally realised it.
PS. And stop that BS about White-Ra. It was stated a number of times, that he was in contact with NASL up until his final game with MC (which started exactly when his match with July should have taken place), and by that time he was told that a) his game can not be re-scheduled and b) he will get auto-loss after 45 minutes. I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that committing to NASL means not participating in other tournaments. Sjow managed to play his NASL match while still participating in Dreamhack. Fact is, players need to take responsibility for what they do. NASL's job is not to be the personal secretary of all 50 players and build the tournament around THEIR schedules. You act like participating in a league is a RIGHT. It's actually a privilege and a choice. Simple rule of thumb for players: Don't sign up for two conflicting events if you are unable to somehow make it work. How is that unreasonable in the slightest? If the players who had game postpones/automatic forfeits were random nobodies, would you even care to post on their behalf or defend their position? Doubtful.
On the other hand, NASL is a pretty drawn out event, spanning several months. You cannot be too "unflexible" either, because that will hurt your own tournament. If the participants needs to cancel several tournaments with big pricepools in order to participate in NASL, then those players may perhaps cancel NASL instead. This will hurt NASL if several big names do not compete in their tournament, because fan favourites draw viewers which NASL cannot afford to loose.
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Conflicts are only going to get worse by the looks of it. With new LAN's and tournaments popping up seemingly every week now, plus exsisting ones, it can only get harder to be everywhere at once. Looks like players are going to start having to pick and choose what they compete it.
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On April 15 2011 09:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Edit as well: Players will have to start picking and choosing or reeeeally getting good at scheduling games properly for various events. People wont be able to compete in every tournament or league, and that's just a price to pay to stay in some of the bigger leagues.
Its the team managers job.
I bet Nazgul is already on the line discussing the issues with NASL staff.
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I fail to understand how MLG can conflict with NASL. Can't MLG players play their matches from MLG ? I guess MLG staff will be glad to provide one or two PC for NASL players, there is a lot of downtime for players to play a bo3. (I could be missing something here)
And yes there are a lot of matches played, but remember that each player only play ONE bo3 a week. If they can't schedule one bo3 a week, they can't be called progamers either.
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typical Naniwa - i am very dissappointet that he again manages to be that "unprofessional" - to say it in kind words ...
How can he say "i cannot play now, wait for me" and then taking a laddersession, while the NASL and Strelok are waiting and rescheduling theyr butt off for him. Thats really bad manner - i totally agree with Strelok and i expect the NASL to punish that kind of behaviour way harder for their own sake.
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On April 15 2011 19:15 MrCon wrote:
I fail to understand how MLG can conflict with NASL. Can't MLG players play their matches from MLG ? I guess MLG staff will be glad to provide one or two PC for NASL players, there is a lot of downtime for players to play a bo3. (I could be missing something here)
They dont even have PC's for their players ^^;
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On April 15 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote:
I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that committing to NASL means not participating in other tournaments. Sjow managed to play his NASL match while still participating in Dreamhack. Fact is, players need to take responsibility for what they do. NASL's job is not to be the personal secretary of all 50 players and build the tournament around THEIR schedules.
Previously to changing the rules you HAD to be present for a CERTAIN time slot 9 WEEKS IN A ROW. You can't commit to that without avoiding other events. Actually final DH game overlapped with a specific timeslot -- the timeslot for White-Ra vs July game. And up until this time NASL declined White-Ra for rescheduling. Sjow got eliminated long before he needed to play (and even finals would end long before he would need to play). It doesn't seem to me that White-Ra could do anything prior to game to change the situation -- so he made a decision to choose Dreamhack and was told he will get a def. loose.
On April 15 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote:
You act like participating in a league is a RIGHT. It's actually a privilege and a choice. Simple rule of thumb for players: Don't sign up for two conflicting events if you are unable to somehow make it work. How is that unreasonable in the slightest? If the players who had game postpones/automatic forfeits were random nobodies, would you even care to post on their behalf or defend their position? Doubtful.
How reasonable is to predict that during 9 weeks you will not be participating in a LAN during a very specific timeslot?
Yes, I don't care about random nobodies. But I do care about the fact that HuK and Jinro decided to not participate. I do care about the fact that White-Ra and Tyler need to choose between NASL and offline tournament.
Participating in $100000 league is a privilege, but if the league allienates all the good players, it will not stay relevant.
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Sweden647 Posts
Okay, I am only trying to interpret this cryptic message. Here it goes:
In Naniwas case:
+ Show Spoiler +"There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa."
NASL messed up and they couldnt play on the scheduled time.
+ Show Spoiler +"At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling."
Naniwa wanted to reschedule and some time to rest as he had been traveling.
+ Show Spoiler +"Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait."
They reschedule (i think?)
+ Show Spoiler +"Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message."
Naniwa dont get any info about the rescheduled match?
+ Show Spoiler +"bla bla laddering bla bla"
Naniwa play on the ladder because he didnt get a response? (why doesnt NASL contact him at that point?)
+ Show Spoiler +"However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa"
Naniwa didnt get any info and dont know about the new match -> No penalty for him.
In the case of Whire-Ra:
Afaik, White-Ra did know about the match, NASL had communicated it to him, but when they were supposed to play White-Ra doesnt show up and doent answer anything (probably on a plane?). July has to wait for 4 hours. Whate-Ra gets a penalty.
I do not know if this is the correct interpretation, but this is what I was able to make out of it at least. I think the wierd thing here is that Strelok did get a win. It looks to me like a reward from NASL for "waiting" for a match NASL screwed up on? It might be fair in the Strelok vs Naniwa case (but again naniwa didnt know?) but doesnt look fair to the other players in the group... :/
Hope Im not labeled as some kind of hopeless Naniwa fanboi or something now Am I the only one interpreting it this way?
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Dang... I read the title and was hoping that they decided to air the games a few hours earlier. Do the west coasters that created the NASL realize that their show is going until almost 2am EST?
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On April 15 2011 21:46 Nakas wrote:
Dang... I read the title and was hoping that they decided to air the games a few hours earlier. Do the west coasters that created the NASL realize that their show is going until almost 2am EST?
Sure they do, but what do you want them to do, shift it 3 hours earlier so it starts a 3PM PST/6PM EST while everyone on the West Coast is still at work/getting home from school/etc? The start time of 6:00PST/9:00EST (I'm in EST) is about as good as you're going to get when it comes to people being able to watch the live stream.
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On April 15 2011 21:46 Nakas wrote:
Dang... I read the title and was hoping that they decided to air the games a few hours earlier. Do the west coasters that created the NASL realize that their show is going until almost 2am EST?
Go west, trust me, it's nice out here.
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Kinda sucks that the 2 matches (out of 15) that fell through were all epic TSL3 players.....
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On April 15 2011 21:03 miwi wrote:Okay, I am only trying to interpret this cryptic message. Here it goes: In Naniwas case:+ Show Spoiler +"There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa." NASL messed up and they couldnt play on the scheduled time. + Show Spoiler +"At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling." Naniwa wanted to reschedule and some time to rest as he had been traveling. + Show Spoiler +"Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait." They reschedule (i think?) + Show Spoiler +"Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message." Naniwa dont get any info about the rescheduled match? + Show Spoiler +"bla bla laddering bla bla" Naniwa play on the ladder because he didnt get a response? (why doesnt NASL contact him at that point?) + Show Spoiler +"However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa" Naniwa didnt get any info and dont know about the new match -> No penalty for him. In the case of Whire-Ra:Afaik, White-Ra did know about the match, NASL had communicated it to him, but when they were supposed to play White-Ra doesnt show up and doent answer anything (probably on a plane?). July has to wait for 4 hours. Whate-Ra gets a penalty. I do not know if this is the correct interpretation, but this is what I was able to make out of it at least. I think the wierd thing here is that Strelok did get a win. It looks to me like a reward from NASL for "waiting" for a match NASL screwed up on? It might be fair in the Strelok vs Naniwa case (but again naniwa didnt know?) but doesnt look fair to the other players in the group... :/ Hope Im not labeled as some kind of hopeless Naniwa fanboi or something now Am I the only one interpreting it this way?
It's definately possible that naniwa was at no fault from the information at hand. The information has been scarce and at least to me confusing though.
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NASL took responsibility for the Naniwa thing based on their view of how their communication went and modified the schedule to help accommodate matches in the future. Maybe they'll unpenalize White-Ra just as a show of good faith regarding the scheduling. Either way its early in the league and just part of working out the kinks of it all. Nothing to be upset about.
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Hehe...
Ppl arent seeing whats happening here.
NASL is Removing players for choosing to play in other Leagues.
WhiteRa chose to play in DH instead of NASL... hes removed.
Nani has "communication" issues and is rescheduled.
Really.... is it that hard to see?
User was temp banned for this post.
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Why not count then as forfeit wins and losses until the end of the season. Then in the last week you set up a match make up week where you can only make up X amount of matches so you do not affect rpi or whatever. Then if players X amount of forfeited matches disqualify them from finals.
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On April 16 2011 00:59 RudrA wrote:
Hehe...
Ppl arent seeing whats happening here.
NASL is Removing players for choosing to play in other Leagues.
WhiteRa chose to play in DH instead of NASL... hes removed.
Nani has "communication" issues and is rescheduled.
Really.... is it that hard to see?
I look forward to seeing July, NaDa etc getting removed for daring to play in the GSL then.
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please try and not be insanely sensationalist.
I will be at every MLG, IGN, TSL, GSl (that I qualify for) etc as will every other player in this league. We just need to communicate and work together to make sure all leagues get their matches played including the ambitious NASL. Each player plays once a week they know this NOW (potentially 9 weeks in advance) it is their duty to communicate the conflicts so we can work them out.
Stop trying to make a villain out of the NASL. We actually want to bring you amazing games... why fight us on that?
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Great job for the changes really shows a lot about the NASL and the character of the people behind it. Good job with the impact control on allowing naniwa to be undefeated as it was a very difficult situation to deal with afterwards. I'm really impressed with the NASL.
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tues-sat seems better to me. i want to go out and have fun during the weekends and do non-sc related activities. weekdays im jus tired from work and jus wanna look at sc2 games while i relax. maybe if u broadcast more on weekdays and less on weekends youll get a more casual audience
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I think its a good thing they are adapting to improve the quality of the tournament. Pushing broadcasting back a day leaves a lot more room for adjustment which I would guess should translate into higher quality.
The Naniwa situation just seems a little off to me. Too little information to judge really, but it honestly seems sketchy. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance...
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has this been changed again? on the nasl-webpage naniwa has -2 points
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As much as I enjoy all this QQing, it won't make the NASL a better league in future seasons.
I can understand that this is the NASL first season and NASL might not have plans for all eventuallities that can occur during the 9 weeks of group play. That players will not always be able to make their matches is something that NASL will have to deal with. And they probably have something in the pipes for season 2. Changing the broadcasting schedule to make the post production of the NASL better and a good way to avoid complications like this and White-ra/July.
My hopes for future seasons of NASL is that they will have a week after the group play, where they will have all the rescheduled matches being played. Scheduling for these type of occurenses would be better then feeling cheated out of these matches.
It's all up to the NASL though how they wish to handel situations like this. And the WO options is not the most optimal option if you consider the viewers and fans or even the competition in itself. They need to be clear that they call the shots on when the players play and if they can't play at the appointed time they should be rescheduled, in future NASL seasons, to a later date decided by the NASL.
I want to see these games, not WO. That's all I care about. But I understand that NASL this season has a very tight schedule. And don't have much space for rescheduling at this time. But as said it's the first season and it can only get better from here.
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I think the decisions made and the reaction to the problem was good, I like the type of professionalism NASL tries to keep.
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Yay now i can watch Funday Monday and Newbie Tuesday without feeling bad i'm missing NASL or having to watch the VODs of the games i missed.
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Good job, NASL! Thanks for being proactive and adjusting to all the bumps in the road that you discover on your to becoming a true Starleague (TM). It's only natural for the first undertaking of this size in NA to run into issues they've never thought of before, even after trying to anticipate everything that might crop up. Hopefully the community can be pleasantly critical so we can all have an improved viewing experience o.o;
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Being 0-0 and playing one less game than the rest of your group is the same damn thing as a loss. Such transparent PR...and the double standard for White-Ra is ridiculous. Agreeing to give Nani a postponement and then going back on that decision because he was laddering is pretty sad, but now there is an even bigger mess. Entertaining though, I will admit that.
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so today they wont stream?
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Naniwa is pretty bm saying he needed a day to "rest" and couldn't play, but laddered instead. I mean, you're going to make them reschedule your Tourney match so you can ladder / practice some more? Come on man. This is the right decision from the NASL staff given the information.
Not sure why White-Ra wouldn't show up. Maybe something really weird happened and he was physically unable to contact them. Like maybe he went to buy groceries and someone stole his car, and he left his cell at home, so he had to walk two hours to get home. lol
Anyway, hope everyone can work it out and there will be less of this drama in the future. NASL fighting!
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The hole thing seems to become more and more laughable. My suggestion after season 1 redo the format 3 months way to long it will interfere with the other big tournaments, MLG, DH, GSL etc. Just look at first week allrdy 2 problems that have caused the players and the fan alot of hazzle.. And it will happend again.
Personally I think this tournament just soaks of incompetence. And if you put youself in a position where players have to chose between NASL and MLG,DH, GSL etc then you gonna lose everytime tbh
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IMO, cast from replays. That would solve a lot of the logistical issues.
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I wonder if NASL ever considered just playing the games Saturday - Wednesday, instead of Monday - Friday. Then broadcasting the games still on a 2 day delay Monday - Friday rather than Wednesday - Sunday. In my eyes this would be a wayyy better way to do this since broadcasting on Sat/Sunday really kind of sucks.
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