You guys are forgetting about the fact that Dreamhack was over when it was time for White-Ra's match! He had four hours to respond back to NASL!! You guys are simply "forgetting" the details to make it out like White-Ra is the victim. I love the guy too, but I'm calling it like I see it. Fact is, he had ample time to make it to a local PC bang (as Sjow did).

Once again to reiterate for you fine folk: Dreamhack was over by the time the match was set up to go. How do I know this? Because NASL was asking Dreamhack to not pack one PC for White-Ra to use, they declined because they wanted to get everything packed to get out of there..

wormintrude

Argentina24 Posts

April 15 2011 01:01 GMT

#83

First off, I tip my hat to /everyone/ involved with NASL. Whatever they doing, however it may be coming off / across, they are doing /for/ esports [and I am not, so I don't get to complain].

The only thing I regret is that I spent the better part of this week advertising the 'awesome matches that you /have/ to watch from these beastly players' to all of my non starcraft playing friends. We even set up a lan / nasl viewing party for Friday night [and tbh, that's harder than it sounds in a not so prone to 'watch people play videogames' country, :D]. With Friday being called off, the night will now be spent playing quake3. Which sucks since it was a good chance to get these guys interested in SC2.

Shit happens.

Keep up the good work!

Full.tilt

United Kingdom1709 Posts

April 15 2011 01:01 GMT

#84

The explanation needs a timeline because it sounds like a knee jerk reaction to offer the free win to strelok just because NASL admins saw Naniwa laddering. Did they even wait out the obligatory 45mins that is in the rules? Especially after the previous situation with July and White Ra when you waited 4 hours before making a decision. The lack of timeline also makes odee look like an idiot for agreeing with the walkover as though he didn't even try to contact Naniwa at the time either.

Layden

United States45 Posts

April 15 2011 01:02 GMT

#85

I will agree that it goes to the credibility of the league that it's arbitrarily enforcing its rules. From a league standpoint a missed match is a missed match, selectively enforcing rules damages the credibility of the league.

NASL, though not a LAN, should be considered VERY important for its players. I can understand White-Ra choosing a shot at $15k over playing his NASL round #1 group match match, but everyone else has VOLUNTARILY signed up for a tournament that is scheduled to give away more money than any individual GSL so far. If anything this year of competition has shown is that there is a lot of parity at the top levels of play and every match is going to matter if you want a shot at the big money after the group stages. Giving Naniwa 0 points makes no sense. Because of this, I think its a serious mistake for any player that is offered a forfeit to not take it. He should be given a loss according to the rules, or NASL should have a rule regarding makeup matches. It's only been 2 days and already 2 matches have had no-shows, and both have been handled very differently.

tl;dr: NASL needs to enforce its own rules, else it risks its credibility. Players need to respect the league and learn to manage thier schedules and prioritize this league.

Redox

Germany24794 Posts

April 15 2011 01:03 GMT

#86

On April 15 2011 09:55 luke3920 wrote:
I'm astounded that the NASL is treating a player who basically lied (Nanawi) on the same level as a player who is simply being punished for reaching the final of a big tournament (dreamhack)? Bite the bullet and award Whitera a 0-0 or Nanawi 0-2...

Naniwa contacted NASL and asked for postponing.
WhiteRa just didnt show up at all.
Its beyond me what is so difficult to comprehend there. Guess its just fanboyism that hampers the thinking process.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

April 15 2011 01:05 GMT

#87

All I have to say is

Couldn't they have announced this before I added every single event to the calendar? jk but I'm not looking forward to editing every play day now T-T

Will still watch as much as I can!

moltenlead

Canada866 Posts

April 15 2011 01:10 GMT

#88

Firstly, lol @ Inc's comment.

Secondly, I guess this will help, but don't know how one day will be able to solve all conflicts. MLG and all are pretty long events, and I can't see how the White-ra situation can't be avoided if the organizer doesn't decide to make an exception for the player. Seems pretty flimsy atm imo.

Redox

Germany24794 Posts

April 15 2011 01:15 GMT

#89

On April 15 2011 10:10 moltenlead wrote:
Firstly, lol @ Inc's comment.

Secondly, I guess this will help, but don't know how one day will be able to solve all conflicts. MLG and all are pretty long events, and I can't see how the White-ra situation can't be avoided if the organizer doesn't decide to make an exception for the player. Seems pretty flimsy atm imo.

They were ready to postpone the WhiteRa game a few hours.
If I got it right, it would have been suficient to wait for 1 hour so that WhiteRa could complete the final. NASL waited even 4 hours, but WhiteRa simply did not show up / contact them even after his final was done.

SpiritAshura

United States1271 Posts

April 15 2011 01:15 GMT

#90

All I think is if you are going to change your rule since it's so early in the season it should retroactively effect whitera-july since it's the beginning of the season. I don't see why different groups should have different results from the same situation of players not showing.

Tyrannon

Germany113 Posts

April 15 2011 01:16 GMT

#91

And thats why Naniwa got kicked out of German EPS. He is just unprofessional

ComusLoM

Norway3547 Posts

April 15 2011 01:16 GMT

#92

Are they using some kind of colour filter? It looks more like SC2 than SC2 does xD

Scraps

United States39 Posts

April 15 2011 01:18 GMT

#93

Good job to NASL for having the courage to major significant changes early, as needed, in their first season of this very ambitious league. Managing a top tier caliber group of players from many languages, countries, time zones, lifestyles, etc is no small task and should not be diminished.

The quality of the streams has been exceptional, while slightly laggy here and there on the first night, for the most part it has been excellent quality and worth watching every game. The VODs have been excellent to watch on my widescreen minitor it looked as perfect as if I were actually watching a replay with commentary.

Thanks for your hard work gentlemen!

ambientmf

Canada77 Posts

April 15 2011 01:19 GMT

#94

God damn, all the BNet connectivity issues. ><

Doso

Germany769 Posts

April 15 2011 01:22 GMT

#95

I hope the NASL will eventually realise that some players like Naniwa just don't give a fuck about their league. Postponing games over and over again without penalties just doesn't work.

IMABUNNEH

United Kingdom1062 Posts

April 15 2011 01:23 GMT

#96

Either both White-Ra and Naniwa should get 0-2, or both should get 0-0. It's a rather arbitrary inconsistency. Personally I think it should be 0-2. The rules when players applied were clearly stated, as Strelock pointed out in his interview.

As far as the clash with like a third of NASL with MLG Colombus... NASL knew ahead of time (they stated repeatedly) about MLG's scheduling, and were planning around it. If they don't have a plan, then they lied in their hype. That's more of a parallel matter though of course.

NASL HAS to play hardball on their rules. It's unfair to the players such as Strelock and July who show up and wait, and are patient, and cut their opponents slack, when their opponents don't show up, their opponent SHOULDN'T just remain 0-0. They lost, because they didn't show up. If it's scheduling conflicts, it's NASL's job to either attempt to reschedule people, or award a game win/loss appropriately. So far one player has a loss which some think is unfair, one player has a 0-0 record which some think is unfair, and the lack of consistency hints a lack of professionalism.

NASL needs to sort out their inconsistencies, and sort out lower quality VODs, and they will be everything they want to be. But currently they're falling short, and while I'm sure they're learning from it, they need to learn a lot faster, before the number of potential "I was seeing how it went before buying" customers disappear forever.

ArtZ

49 Posts

April 15 2011 01:23 GMT

#97

thats great step towards improving the show, i like how swiftly nasl gets "patched" ^^

SuperStyle

United States976 Posts

April 15 2011 01:26 GMT

#98

Being 0-0 with 1 game less to play is kinda the same as 0-1 tbh, if both him and Strelok win all their matches Strelok will be 9-0 and Naniwa 8-0 thus being second, kinda same as if he received a loss.

RaiKageRyu

Canada4773 Posts

April 15 2011 01:27 GMT

#99

Having 2-0 and 0-0 breaks the law of equivalent exchange. Consistency for that division goes out the window. It essentially means Naniwa only has to play 8 games which depending on the situation, can actually favor him.

Just punish him 2-1, if they don't want to levy a heavier reprimand.

holy_war

United States3590 Posts

April 15 2011 01:29 GMT

#100

On April 15 2011 10:27 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Having 2-0 and 0-0 breaks the law of equivalent exchange. Consistency for that division goes out the window. It essentially means Naniwa only has to play 8 games which depending on the situation, can actually favor him.

Just punish him 2-1, if don't to levy a heavier reprimand.

Yeah, I think this can actually cause a shit ton of complications later on in the group stage. Dunno how they're gonna do tiebreakers with this situation.