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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
I was wondering about that as well. So a point just magically came out of nowhere? Stick to your guns and have some consistency in your decisions. I feel like you're trying to appease different crowds or something. Your decisions with July vs White Ra made sense, except for having July decide the outcome (which you've rectified with your new policy.) Breaking the zero sum is a bad idea though. | ||
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GGruss
Sweden121 Posts
If rest isnt a valid reason, dont agree in the first place? | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On April 15 2011 15:44 GGruss wrote: I dont really understand what happened? Naniwa asked, you agreed, but then decided his rest must be spent in specific ways? If rest isnt a valid reason, dont agree in the first place? Also this. | ||
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RegniZ
Sweden1 Post
I think that we will see a much more firm hand from the NASL after the first two weeks as they'll work out the kinks with both the players and the league system. Most likely we won't see any problems arise out of the Naniwa points seeing as this is a long and comprehensive league. If a player gets to be in the top 34 after these 9-10 weeks he probably deserves to be there. All that said I hope for the best of the NASL and that we as a community may have lots of SC2 to enjoy. *Just noted on: http://nasl.tv/Standings that Naniwa is listed as having -2 points. Minor misprint or making sure the league stays on track? | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
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Almtom
Sweden132 Posts
IF you have a tournament for 100K USD why the fuck dont you make sure to have telephone nr and other means to contanct the players than some chat channel? Secondly how can you not plan matches weeks in advance and ensure that players have the ability to play on that specific date? Thirdly it has to be a disadvantage for Naniwa regardless of if his score is now 0-0 or 0-1 since he has one less opportunity to win a game and wins are counted before losses. Only if he has equal amount of wins as an other player this will come in to play. And all this is because of YOUR screw up as admins.... Lastly if Naniwa is not punished with a loss then how come his record shows 0-1 -2 in the NASL databook? This is just horrible! First you dont include the best Terran in Europe who is just tearing up the TSL (Thorzain) then you screw up TWO anticipated matches (July-WhiteRa and Naniwa-Strelok | ||
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
On April 15 2011 16:41 Almtom wrote: Ok four things...... IF you have a tournament for 100K USD why the fuck dont you make sure to have telephone nr and other means to contanct the players than some chat channel? They do. They just didn't feel the need to as stated in the OP, since the matter was apparently cleared up. Secondly how can you not plan matches weeks in advance and ensure that players have the ability to play on that specific date? If that were to happen, the entire league system would be disorganized because it's one league revolving around 50 different players. Thirdly it has to be a disadvantage for Naniwa regardless of if his score is now 0-0 or 0-1 since he has one less opportunity to win a game and wins are counted before losses. Only if he has equal amount of wins as an other player this will come in to play. And all this is because of YOUR screw up as admins.... They admitted to it and have taken measures to prevent these things from happening in the future, again as stated in the OP. Lastly if Naniwa is not punished with a loss then how come his record shows 0-1 -2 in the NASL databook? I'm sure it will play out. Either it was a mistake or they're doing it so that the division will work itself out. This is just horrible! First you dont include the best Terran in Europe who is just tearing up the TSL (Thorzain) then you screw up TWO anticipated matches (July-WhiteRa and Naniwa-Strelok Biased argument, which warrants no response. The two anticipated matches were affected because of the players. July-Whitera didn't happen because Whitera had to play in the Dreamhack finals, and July was up at 4 AM to play his games, delayed for four hours, and finally was rewarded a 2-0 victory. There's a thread about this, but you can probably find that yourself. It's kind of discreet, because it has [NASL] as a header. Look at the OP for the Naniwa-Strelok issue. Again, this is a result of working around the player's schedule, which, in my opinion, the NASL has done more than enough of. I really appreciate that they are somewhat flexible with their broadcasting and gameplay schedule, but if they let this go on then the league will become chaotic. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
- Games should be cast from replays. - Original games should be played at a specific time, with an observer recording the game for the caster, UNLESS, both players agree to any other time to play (and they'd be free to pick basically any time). It would make it smoother, and I feel that is more important than some feeling of "live". However, I also support the organizers right to do things the way they feel it should be done. Their priviledge. I'd just prefer another choice  | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
So the leniency is very good, especially since it's only started a few days and already there is a count of these scheduling conflicts occuring. If it will be made known in advance, I can't imagine people have a problem with it, instead of being psyched you know it's not gonna be today but tomorrow and you will just be psyched for then and most important of all. Get to see the games as well as have the league unfold the way it's supposed to. Had this change not been implemented after a month there would a billion holes in the standings and we would probably get a lot of speculation and theorycrafting into how different the standings would be if those were to be filled with a certain result. | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
It is fine if players have a lot of things on their plate but that isn't NASL's responsibility. If there is contact far in advance of a conflict that is reasonable but come on guys. Grow some damn balls, your whole staff was waiting for hours for this damn match combined with the hours more of editing it would take if you had to do other matches out of order. It just sucks that you guys are going to kill a lot of your broadcasting numbers by competing with other tournaments on the weekends all because it is a little less work and players are irresponsible. The fans want to see games that is for sure but I think I speak for most fans when I say screw unprofessional players. Now players will be much more likely to make bull shit excuses, which if anyone has ever played in any kind of team game is inevitable and the most annoying part of giving people time. | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
So what you're saying is that by applying to NASL players should stop participating in any other offline tournaments? Because with 9 week of daily games there WILL be scheduling conflicts with every major event. Yes, NASL does have a nice prize pool, but it's not worth abandoning all the other events. Heck, even GSL is hardly worth it (but GOM doesn't like to have competition, and they have exclusive rights in SK) NASL should not force its participants to cancel their participation in other events, and I am glad that they finally realised it. PS. And stop that BS about White-Ra. It was stated a number of times, that he was in contact with NASL up until his final game with MC (which started exactly when his match with July should have taken place), and by that time he was told that a) his game can not be re-scheduled and b) he will get auto-loss after 45 minutes. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
The is going to be loads, sorry, but a tourney whihce apparently is already casted from replays the is like so many ways that can be helped with conflicts. What happens when the koreans are playing GSL or when europeans travel to american tourneys and they need a day eithier side of competing travelling to and from a tournament if even that, sorry one day just doesnt seem fair at all... Not to mention changing the rules, white-ra gets docked points even thoguh hes ina final of a prearranegd event and Nani laddering when hes meant to play, sorry so badyl incistent. You should of eithier been extremely strict and not one rule for one and one rule for another. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
I mean not beaing able to play due to any circumstances can always happen, but the one thing that annoys me and every tournament organizer i guess is lack of communication. What is so hard about making a phone call or whatever in a situation like that? It really shows lack of respect for others. In this case the players knew way ahead what to expect and playing once a week and showing up on time is the least one could ask for. Again if there is a scheduling problem, just talk to your opponent and the admins, if you don't talk, noone can help you and situations like these occur. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On April 15 2011 17:30 Alexj wrote: I am amused by attitude of some people in that thread, saying that "this is your tournament" and "players who applied should commit to NASL" So what you're saying is that by applying to NASL players should stop participating in any other offline tournaments? Because with 9 week of daily games there WILL be scheduling conflicts with every major event. Yes, NASL does have a nice prize pool, but it's not worth abandoning all the other events. Heck, even GSL is hardly worth it (but GOM doesn't like to have competition, and they have exclusive rights in SK) NASL should not force its participants to cancel their participation in other events, and I am glad that they finally realised it. PS. And stop that BS about White-Ra. It was stated a number of times, that he was in contact with NASL up until his final game with MC (which started exactly when his match with July should have taken place), and by that time he was told that a) his game can not be re-scheduled and b) he will get auto-loss after 45 minutes. I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that committing to NASL means not participating in other tournaments. Sjow managed to play his NASL match while still participating in Dreamhack. Fact is, players need to take responsibility for what they do. NASL's job is not to be the personal secretary of all 50 players and build the tournament around THEIR schedules. You act like participating in a league is a RIGHT. It's actually a privilege and a choice. Simple rule of thumb for players: Don't sign up for two conflicting events if you are unable to somehow make it work. How is that unreasonable in the slightest? If the players who had game postpones/automatic forfeits were random nobodies, would you even care to post on their behalf or defend their position? Doubtful. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On April 15 2011 18:26 Ocedic wrote: I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that committing to NASL means not participating in other tournaments. Sjow managed to play his NASL match while still participating in Dreamhack. Fact is, players need to take responsibility for what they do. NASL's job is not to be the personal secretary of all 50 players and build the tournament around THEIR schedules. You act like participating in a league is a RIGHT. It's actually a privilege and a choice. Simple rule of thumb for players: Don't sign up for two conflicting events if you are unable to somehow make it work. How is that unreasonable in the slightest? If the players who had game postpones/automatic forfeits were random nobodies, would you even care to post on their behalf or defend their position? Doubtful. On the other hand, NASL is a pretty drawn out event, spanning several months. You cannot be too "unflexible" either, because that will hurt your own tournament. If the participants needs to cancel several tournaments with big pricepools in order to participate in NASL, then those players may perhaps cancel NASL instead. This will hurt NASL if several big names do not compete in their tournament, because fan favourites draw viewers which NASL cannot afford to loose. | ||
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