EPTSo Naniwa will end up with only 9 games on his record?
NASL schedule change - Page 3
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
So Naniwa will end up with only 9 games on his record? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45022 Posts
July gets a walkover with wins, so therefore White-Ra gets losses. Strelok gets a walkover with wins, so therefore... Naniwa doesn't get losses? I don't like that. I think NASL and Strelok were extremely professional and accommodating by willing to let Naniwa reschedule, and when he lied about wanting to rest and then was too irresponsible to be where he needed to be (in the proper channel), it's his own fault. I don't see how NASL "could have communicated better" with Naniwa. Go to his house? And I don't think NASL honestly believes that either, considering they gave Strelok the win (which is a good move, considering it's not fair to the guy who actually did everything right). But, again, I don't like the fact that Naniwa doesn't get the losses. And I guess it's the case that Naniwa should be fined as well or whatever logically follows from disobeying the rules. I personally find this decision to absolve Naniwa of all penalties (losses and fine) inconsistent and improper, and it's the first time I've pretty much disagreed with anything NASL has done so far. But that being said, it seems that NASL is working hard to make sure future miscommunications like this do not arise, and I'm happy that they're trying to smoothen out the bumps. Looking forward to tonight's games  | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:12 TheTenthDoc wrote: Yikes. I don't envy NASL having to sort these scheduling conflicts especially around MLG time. I really hope they don't end up forcing to you to play during MLG itself or just giving you a loss... Yeah I'm really not sure what's gonna happen. They have a while to figure it out and prepare in case it's gonna be a bizarre week for them. But this info they just released is kind of baffling because I think it's pretty obvious that giving players the option to postpone their match one day is not helpful in a lot of cases. For people playing early in the week, it definitely gives some very helpful additional time to travel and rest. For people playing later in the week, it seems like nonsense. On April 15 2011 09:17 Aequos wrote: I do hope they can work something out for Tyler, I really want to see his games. I'm confident they'll work something out. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:16 bibbaly wrote: Tell that to the hundreds of people in the White-Ra July thread that are pissed for missing out on that match.Why are you guys bending so far backward? It's the players and managers responsibility to appear on time and not to have conflicting schedules. He wanted to rest before his matches and it sounds like he completely blew you off. This is YOUR tournament and YOUR money that you are putting up. If the players want to blow that off then penalize them rather than cater. They made the decision to play in the NASL no one put a gun to their head and said play or else, so if they cant show up on time that is their problem and their fault for losing out on the wondrous prize pool. NASL seems committed to have the games actually played, and being more flexible and accommodating of the player's schedules (to an extent) helps with that. They should not be criticised, but lauded for this. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
It went from 0 days of postpone to 1 day (it's an improvement) The MLG situations were always going to be a problem and need special treatment. This rule was always in conflict with it and the fix being applied is not addressing that issue because no realistic "rule" change would. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:11 MrChex wrote: Interesting. NASL has been live for two days and they are already running into issues. It is not like there was any precedence for this failure. You could respect the league you signed up for and wait a day to travel and find a LAN to play in. Did you just quote yourself and then give yourself a remark that conflicts with what you just said? | ||
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lulzury
United States236 Posts
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:23 iNcontroL wrote: tyler It went from 0 days of postpone to 1 day (it's an improvement) The MLG situations were always going to be a problem and need special treatment. This rule was always in conflict with it and the fix being applied is not addressing that issue because no realistic "rule" change would. Yeah I think that's pretty much what I've said so far... | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:48 motbob wrote: From now NASL will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. NASL will not put the decision to take a free win in the player's hands, since that put the player taking the free win in an uncomfortable position. NASL will make that decision themselves. Great thing. Those 2 things were exactly that what I was thinking should be changed. I don't get though how 0-0 is better for Nani than 0-2. In the end the wins count. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Edit as well: Players will have to start picking and choosing or reeeeally getting good at scheduling games properly for various events. People wont be able to compete in every tournament or league, and that's just a price to pay to stay in some of the bigger leagues. | ||
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sashqinCho
Russian Federation131 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Players possibly affected by MLG Columbus conflicts (MLG participants playing on Thursday - Saturday): Axslav Slush Naniwa HayprO dde KawaiiRice CatZ Ret Stalife Machine Drewbie IdrA Socke Tyler PainUser uh oh | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:23 Bobster wrote: Tell that to the hundreds of people in the White-Ra July thread that are pissed for missing out on that match. NASL seems committed to have the games actually played, and being more flexible and accommodating of the player's schedules (to an extent) helps with that. They should not be criticised, but lauded for this. I think its fair to say that everyone is disappointed that they couldn't see those games but it seems like they are changing the rulebook for naniwa and its bs. They need to set precedence and stick with it. Flip-flopping on a daily basis is not a good way to show the validity of your tournament. With so many tournaments going on players need to be smart about what they sign up for, if they can't make an event then don't sign up for it. They are making fools of the people who are trying to run a league. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:18 SinCitta wrote: Uhm, am I the only one that does not get it? So Naniwa does not gain negative points. Is there a policy for that? Because it seems very arbitrary. If so, will the same happen to White-Ra retroactively? As far as I know White-Ra had better reasons for his absence. Additionally, which message did Naniwa not get? The one which said that the postponement was fine for Strelok? Why is laddering a reason for default-loss (or tie...)? Could be part of his "rest" as laddering is nothing serious and you can relax while doing it. Kinda strange that Dignitas manager had no objections on awarding the game to Strelok. Yeah... I don't get it either. There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait. Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us. What message is it that naniwa didn't see? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:28 Bobster wrote: And yes, the MLG weekend could turn out to be a total clusterfuck, I hope there are some contingency plans set up. Players possibly affected by MLG Columbus conflicts (MLG participants playing on Thursday - Saturday): Axslav Slush Naniwa HayprO dde KawaiiRice CatZ Ret Stalife Machine Drewbie IdrA Socke Tyler PainUser uh oh WHERE IS MEEEEEEEEEEE? | ||
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Der_Magen
182 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:17 Aequos wrote: People were really upset when it was first suggested that they cast replays - in this case, it really is a sort of lose-lose situation. i think anyone who has watched TSL2/TSL3 and the last MLG Dallas will agree that replay cast are the way to go( obviously i'm comparing apples with pears but i think you get the idea) | ||
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tellit
Canada53 Posts
Matches can be played by default on Monday the week before they are broadcast. If Monday is not appropriate for one or both of the players, then they must contact an admin and the other player by Friday two weeks prior to the broadcast. If no solution can be reached between the three parties by Sunday, the week prior to broadcast, one or both of the players will receive a forfeit loss. In the case that a player can only play at the default time on monday (ie, absolutely no schedule flexibility), they will also receive a forfeit loss. This gives players essentially six days to play a match. Anyway, just one idea of how scheduling could be done better. I remember in some leagues, people would receive a forfeit win for being inflexible about scheduling, and only agreeing to play at the default time. In the case of a disconnect an admin should be immediately contacted, and the demo made available for review. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 15 2011 09:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'm bummed. I liked the idea of Monday-Friday. I was ok with Tuesday-Saturday, now it's shifted even further. The advantage of Monday-Friday was they were the only game in town. Weekends aaaalways have various tournaments underway. I'd sooner see the games played monday-friday and friday games are simply delayed until that monday. I somewhat prefer Monday-Friday as well, but I think it makes sense for NASL to hit weekend times for the sake of the players and possibly more viewers, since the times they're currently hitting goes past bed time on work days, even for many people in the intended US audience. | ||
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