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zende
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden234 Posts
May 07 2011 20:22 GMT
#1921
looking forward to what idra can bring to the casting. after that we'll say what people think about the gretorp+incontrol combo.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 07 2011 20:29 GMT
#1922
On May 08 2011 01:50 ilmman wrote:
Any plans of making in game studio games with crowds to attend? I think it would create a much more enjoyable atmosphere...


That might be possible in the future, but right now we don't have room for that, unless you want to buy us a bigger studio! The NASL can be that big only with enough community support. We're working out butts off in there every day to make sure that we're always improving.

A bigger studio though, is something that might happen in the next few seasons if everything goes well.
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
May 07 2011 20:56 GMT
#1923
On May 08 2011 05:29 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 01:50 ilmman wrote:
Any plans of making in game studio games with crowds to attend? I think it would create a much more enjoyable atmosphere...


That might be possible in the future, but right now we don't have room for that, unless you want to buy us a bigger studio! The NASL can be that big only with enough community support. We're working out butts off in there every day to make sure that we're always improving.

A bigger studio though, is something that might happen in the next few seasons if everything goes well.


Why is this even in your mind when the VOD system sucks?
100 people show up to a live event.
How many stream it?
How many rely on VODs? (note they also pay money).

4 weeks zZz

I retract my last post lmfao. The buffer is now a fake buffer for NASL vods. Don't know why, but it definitely it.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 07 2011 21:16 GMT
#1924
it's on his mind because he was responding to someone else

Right now it's a HUGE infrastructure overhaul to get low quality vods available..

It is being worked on I can say that. But it isn't a snap call ez fix so patience plz!
Ziggy Starport
Profile Joined November 2010
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 21:36:33
May 07 2011 21:34 GMT
#1925
It's nice to see the NASL coming together, improving day on day.

I have just a couple of points I'd like to see addressed, they may have been mentioned already.

Player colours/Identification

* Don't let the players change (or switch!) colours between games. It can be tough to follow, especially in a mirror match (I think it's confused the commentators a couple of times too)

* Don't let players pick colours that blend in with the map or with creep - I can't watch at highest res, and sometimes the mini map is rendered almost useless, with purple Zerg on magenta creep, or green Toss/Terran on grassy maps.

* Don't let player pick colours that re too similar. Orange V Yellow Terran is hard to follow.

* During the player intro screen and the split screen intro, maybe incorporate a race logo - show who is zerg and who is Terran, and maybe work the player colour into it somehow too. Not everyone knows which race a player plays (assuming you want to reach a wider audience).

League Tables -

* Show the league tables more often! I don't think everyone that watches the stream goes to the website. It would be great to see a recap at the end/start of each day (just a few mins) to show who is at the top, at the bottom, how it would change if a favourite won, etc, etc. I think it would add so much context, and in a league context is everything. I think it is essential to show it at the end of each day's cast, even more important as the momentum builds to the final games.

* Maybe take advantage of the green screen behind the casters to show some of this info in between games?

* On player into screens, show the player's current record (you may already, apologies if I haven't seen this).

That's about it, GL for future casts!


Skroach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States85 Posts
May 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#1926
Not trying to be a hater, but I will avoid NASL in the future and am glad I didn't pay the $25 to watch VODs and HD. If there wasn't the IPL (which was free) or the GSL (which is $10 per season), maybe I wouldn't think the NASL is so bad. For the money however there are leagues out there that don't make so many obvious mistakes and that have a good website and VOD system. I say I will avoid them in the future because they, despite some improvements, have not improved nearly as much as they had promised. I would have been fine with all these mistakes if it they simply charged less than vastly better leagues like the GSL.
"Us humans can't even imagine travelling at the speed of light because it's really really really really really really fun." - Tim and Eric
fauxreal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 00:15:56
May 08 2011 00:15 GMT
#1927
I'm enjoying the improvements, but back that camera zoom up a bit.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 00:41:08
May 08 2011 00:40 GMT
#1928
I would like a replay or re-run or playback overlay or something to indicate it is an old game airing.

What happens is that I see NASL starting in 5 mins, turn it on and see 0-1 score. I think, wait, did I just miss the first game? Since I don't have time to watch all of the NASL games I don't know it is a re-run until I look it up (unless it is one of the games I saw).
Atreides-
Profile Joined June 2009
United States103 Posts
May 08 2011 01:07 GMT
#1929
I just want to say that I'm extremely impressed with how much the NASL has improved, and how fast. I thought that the first few broadcasts were disappointing, but it's shaping up to be on the level of TSL/GSL imo.

I don't know why people dislike incontrol/gretorp's casting, I think they're awesome and hilarious. They had a rough start but now their casting seems more genuine and less forced. Don't let the haters keep you down! :D
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
May 08 2011 01:18 GMT
#1930
Put it on American TV. Seriously.

I can't wait for e-sports (especially sc2) to be mainstream television in america.
Zerg delenda est.
Nedyrd123
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom18 Posts
May 08 2011 03:00 GMT
#1931
Am really impressed by the NASL so far. Always good games every night and great commentators as well. One small thing I think would be good to improve the league if possible would be to be more transparent with the community on how successful the NASL has been so far.

Am sure the community would love to know for example what the NASL thinks about the viewing figures they recieve (around 20k tonight which I think is pretty good) and whether or not this is what they expected/hoped for when they launched this project. Perhaps even a rough idea of how many people have subscribed to the HD pass.

Anyway keep up the good work
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
May 08 2011 04:42 GMT
#1932
It's a pet peeve of mine but both commentators use the phrase "facing elimination" and I don't like it. I think it can lead to confusion for people loosely following the league. I know what they mean, it's just a bizarre term to use in the circumstances.
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VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
May 08 2011 05:23 GMT
#1933
My "suggestion" if you will is on the interplay between seasons. I realize that plans and organisation are likely not finalized for how future seasons will work but first of all I have to say that I LOVE the group play. Some people have complained that the many games makes it dull and that it is no fun when every game is not critical. Personally I feel that this system that the nasl is using is optimal. There is a reason why all established sports don't have single elimination off the bat. More games means that one bad series or one bad day or just a streak of bad luck will not eliminate a good player. With group play the best players should have a much better chance at getting to the top and there won't be IMMvp's going into code a *cough*.

But obviously there is the issue with large groups that in the long run many games won't mean as much. Like Artosis being down 0-4 and -8 is not going to get back, he's done but still have many games to play. Now I don't know how the system is planned out for future seasons if the player pool will be altered but I feel like it would be awesome if for example the bottom 2 spots in each division is an up and down kinda deal. Where when the nasl gets more established there would be some kind of qualifiers for people to try to get into the next season, and those who win those qualifiers get to face off against those who "dropped out" by landing on the last spots in their divisions. This would actually create a lot of intensity through the entire season even for players who are not at a chance to move on. Because there will be battles between the players on 10'th and 9'th spot to try and claw their way above the trap door.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
May 08 2011 05:35 GMT
#1934
Is an observer being considered for next season? It's really annoying when one of you guys talk about something and whoever is doing the camera is just ignoring important stuff, it'd be nice if we could just see the same thing as the casters and not have to be annoyed by the fact that you're missing something interesting that is being described. (Also would improve overall casting from both of you guys)

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, why are the mods so trigger happy on the bans in chat? I got banned for just tuning in one day, so I asked who was playing and got banned because I added "BRAH" at the end of my question because gretorp had said that as I was typing.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 08 2011 11:56 GMT
#1935
Just want to say i'm happy that justin.tv finally supports PayPal. Immedatly bought the subscription and now watching the Ret vs MC Match i missed but really wanted to see.

Good work poking justin.tv until they implemented it :p
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 13:49:22
May 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#1936
Improve the VODS... this should be your utmost priority especially with the massive amount of tournaments and games on atm. I usually watch the VODs of NASL since i dont have the time or desire to watch every single live broadcast if i am only interested in one or two sets.

Problems: site layout is pretty poor, at least to me, make it more intuitive (NASL aren't the only ones that do this poorly, GOM website isn't great either but may as well throw it out there). it took me a good while to find the vods and theres also no clear way to see if im logged in or where to find out how to log in (atm i just try to set videos to a high quality that needs an account and log in that way...)

It also takes an absurdly long time to buffer the VODs from justin.tv... I don't know if theres anything you can even do about that but it is really awful, it takes a ridiculously long time to buffer vods and usually i just give up and dont even end up watching because it takes too long and I lose interest by the time it is ready (takes like an hour.) Lower quality vods would probably help here, or use a different website for hosting VODs (justin.tv player is pretty bad)

Also get another observer, and make it so he or she can hear what the commentators are saying so they can show you stuff if you ask things like "is stim researched yet?" etc. Make sure they are also skilled at the game so they know what to look for and what is important to show the audience and what to prioritise. This would also remedy the frequent problem of Gretorp getting whispered on bnet in the middle of a cast or getting whispered when a guest commentators skype goes down which looks pretty unprofessional, this way gretorp/incontrol can receive information in the middle of the cast if it comes to that without the viewing experience being. Its hard to observe properly and commentate well at the same time and would make Gretorp's job a lot easier (I'm assuming Gretorp always does the observing here)

Sort out your dresscode. Blazer + tshirt looks ridiculous and I hate how this is becoming the norm for eSports. its like a horrible mix of professional and casual, like pizza and chocolate... just because Tastosis wear a blazer and their handsome nerd Tshirts for free advertising doesn't mean everyone else should wear blazer and tshirt. Either go blazer and shirt like Soccer presenters do on TV or go for a casual approach but make sure you don't just end up wearing the same type of clothes every day. Turning casual dress into a uniform is just as weird

Also sometimes Gretorp is overenthusiastic, and incontrol implies it on the cast... this is pretty much the worst thing you can do. You're far better off just going with it and going completely crazy over something even if its not that interesting, this is pretty much what every good caster who ever got anyone interested in StarCraft has ever done. (Klazart, Artosis, Moletrap, Husky, Korean sc1 commentators). The enthusiasm is infectious, and people that think its silly probably won't ever have an interest in eSports so it doesn't even matter what they think.

Fix the sound issues too, its been plaguing the NASL since day 1

Finally, on a more positive note, gretorp is really improving every day (and so is the NASL in general) so don't take my pretty negative post as hating
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
darkgray
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden11 Posts
May 08 2011 13:40 GMT
#1937
Please fix the sound.

Whenever I tune in to NASL, I feel like I'm going deaf on my left ear, because the sound balance is 66% skewed to the right, for some odd reason.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 08 2011 13:46 GMT
#1938
It feels weird to see Incontroll streaming while NASL is on. Maybe it's just me, idk.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
ilmman
Profile Joined September 2010
364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 14:53:33
May 08 2011 14:51 GMT
#1939
it would be good for western esport to grow televised

edit: $25 is way too much i reckon. Even the lowest quality stream I am getting is quite decent and I see no reason to upgrade it. You could either make the price cheaper or the quality shitter because what I see is quite clear... lol
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 08 2011 14:54 GMT
#1940
On May 08 2011 22:46 hypercube wrote:
It feels weird to see Incontroll streaming while NASL is on. Maybe it's just me, idk.


I was in a game and it went 10 minutes into the NASL and then I closed it out like I do every time I stream before the NASL
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