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Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
May 09 2011 18:52 GMT
#1961
I'd like you guys to find a way to minimize the sound of the casters clicking on their mice. Once you start noticing the clicking sounds it's hard to "unhear" them, and it REALLY gets on my nerves >=(
Blacko
Profile Joined April 2011
United States28 Posts
May 09 2011 18:55 GMT
#1962
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.
Make SCVs stupid!
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
May 09 2011 18:58 GMT
#1963
On May 10 2011 03:55 Blacko wrote:
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.

Casting is done live and the broadcast is delayed so they can edit it.
.Prozak.
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1 Post
May 09 2011 18:59 GMT
#1964
On May 10 2011 03:55 Blacko wrote:
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.


I'm not sure If I'm just misreading this or not, but they don't cast them off of VOD's. iNcontrol and Gretorp cast those matches live, we just don't get to watch it live. For instance Division 1 is played and casted on Mondays, but isn't streamed until Wednesdays. So there reactions are completely uninhibited from knowing the outcome of the match.
delo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States333 Posts
May 09 2011 19:00 GMT
#1965
On May 10 2011 03:55 Blacko wrote:
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.

That's a great point...

...but it doesn't apply to the NASL.
Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
May 09 2011 19:24 GMT
#1966
On May 10 2011 03:47 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:01 pwnasaurus wrote:
On May 09 2011 11:05 thisisSSK wrote:
On May 09 2011 02:50 AKspartan wrote:
Incontrol, I don't know if you read this, but my simple advice to you is to BE NICE TO GRETORP. I don't know how you guys really feel about one another, but when you're casting you should come across as nothing less than lifelong best friends. When you come off as acting like a jerk towards your fellow caster, it makes you look very unprofessional and it really takes away from the NASL.


Guess you don't get sarcasm too well.

Anyways, Gretorp has got to stop making a joke about everything like that telekinesis thing. It's painful and I feel sorry for incontrol who has to think of something to respond with lol


Sarcasm? Are you fucking kidding me? Incontrol's "jokes" do not come off as sarcasm - he says things like "Gretorp, you're stupid", followed by a 5 second awkward silence, and then he'll say it again. Both of them need to go, there's soooooo many more talented commentators. Please get them the fuck out or I will not be buying a pass to next season.


InControl is just responding the way everyone is to some Gretorp's jokes: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn, WHAT?

It's better to acknowledge a failed joke than pretend it didn't happen, I say.

you should never do that as a caster it shows bad chemistry im finding the commentating and NASL overall sorta lackluster. I never knew incontrols commentating a ton b4 NASL but I was under the impression he was funnier and more entertaining. I think a commentator mix up might not hurt doesnt seem like the 2 are doing good together
Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
May 09 2011 19:26 GMT
#1967
On May 10 2011 04:00 delo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 03:55 Blacko wrote:
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.

That's a great point...

...but it doesn't apply to the NASL.

Its easy to get that impression from thier casting though. Im not QQing They arnt horrible casters just witht he current set up of the games they dont seem to b filling the air super well
umsplay
Profile Joined April 2010
29 Posts
May 09 2011 19:29 GMT
#1968
Something that really bugs me is the overuse of the best player and I've seen Tastosis do the same thing.

Idra best zerg, sen one of the best zerg, and some random player best zerg, how many best player are there? Can't you just say pro player instead.

SlipperySnake
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
248 Posts
May 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#1969
On May 10 2011 03:55 Blacko wrote:
I think personally, you cant do an interesting cast, when you know the outcome of the match in advance. You cant fake excitement or the stress and anticipation of something epic happening. If you know going in that the match is a bore, or even exciting, you miss all the extra reactions from surprise.

Think Moletrap and the Nukes: You will NEVER get that from casting VODs. NEVER.


Not sure what exactly you are referring too but if you think the NASL isn't casted live then you are wrong. They cast the games live as they are happening and then take two days to edit it all together and stream it.

I just wanted to first say that the quality of everything has improved drastically. The camera work in particular is impeccable, especially with the use of the HUD removal during big battles. It is just good to see little things like that being worked on because they make a big difference.

On what needs to be improved, I would just say that I wish there was more stats or discussion of the previous matches each player has played at least in the league. I know it would be more work of course but it would be great if the night before each recording session the casters were given info sheets for each player and their previous matches. Specifically just a run down of how they have looked so far, close matches, overall record, and the build order they favor in each match up. I just feel like that would be a little extra work that could potentially tie people into the other weeks of the season and what is about to happen.

Also when it comes to the pregame, I think the idea of showing big chunks of past footage is kind of offputting at least if you watch the NASL often. I know there have been some great moments but maybe they could just put together a highlight reel from the last weeks division and talk a little bit about it. Just to kind of mix in a little of what happened last week without boring the regulars.

Thanks again, great production.
Blacko
Profile Joined April 2011
United States28 Posts
May 09 2011 19:45 GMT
#1970
I stand corrected, if the games are cast live. Too bad they SOUND like casting from VODs. These guys just arent HYPED. You want Tastosis, you KNOW they love the game itself, and having a blast casting it. Same with Day9, same with others to a lesser degree. It sounds like a job for these guys, and it just aint workin.
Make SCVs stupid!
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
May 09 2011 19:48 GMT
#1971
I think NASL has improved a lot since the beginning, and it seems that they actually do listen to the community. I was really hating InControl since that "Clash of the Titans" fiasco, but he is really funny and likable and I've come to like him during his casts.

But there are still issues that need work.

Most notably, sounds.

Game sound levels need to be a little higher, and music quite a lot higher. See: GSL.

That is all.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 09 2011 20:03 GMT
#1972
I would like them to have stats and other information available to them, because when they try to recall results they're wrong some of the time.
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:09:11
May 09 2011 20:05 GMT
#1973
On May 09 2011 11:05 thisisSSK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 02:50 AKspartan wrote:
Incontrol, I don't know if you read this, but my simple advice to you is to BE NICE TO GRETORP. I don't know how you guys really feel about one another, but when you're casting you should come across as nothing less than lifelong best friends. When you come off as acting like a jerk towards your fellow caster, it makes you look very unprofessional and it really takes away from the NASL.


Guess you don't get sarcasm too well.

Anyways, Gretorp has got to stop making a joke about everything like that telekinesis thing. It's painful and I feel sorry for incontrol who has to think of something to respond with lol


Do you think I'm an idiot? It's not whether or not I can decipher it as sarcasm, it's whether it's good for the cast. Trust me, I'm aware that most of gretorp's humor is very... questionable. I'd certainly react the same way incontrol does to much of it in real life - look at him, look away, look back, look at the camera like "Is this guy for real?" But it's terrible for the cast. Chemistry between casters is so crucial. They should be saving each other at every opportunity, not looking to create awkward silences, even if the intent is to ultimately be humorous.

Additionally, NEVER talk about games being unexciting or being over. Talk about how dominating the winning player is instead.

I know its a forum cliche but watch Tastosis and their chemistry. They don't do any of this stuff and there's a reason they are so highly regarded.
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
May 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#1974
One problem I have with the post-game interviews:

Obviously, one guy is responsible for interviewing, which is fine... but the other caster should not just sit there and completely ignore the interview in progress. Both Gretorp and incontrol do this.

Even if one caster controls a given interview, I think the other caster should at least throw in one question or interact in some way. He shouldn't just look down at his monitor and ignore what's going on. It seems awkward and even somewhat rude (though I realize that is not the intention).
NoahNickels
Profile Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
May 09 2011 23:47 GMT
#1975
I for one and am looking forward to Idra commentating this week. I think he will bring some crucial analyzing skills to the commentary, he's a smart mo-fo and he'll probably talk a little shit, but who cares, they know what they're getting into.

The matches and players NASL has are so solid, that if they found a crackin' commentating team and orgazined those effin' VODs, this thing would be a skyrocket to the moon.
"One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high-powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
ZeroPageX
Profile Joined January 2011
United States12 Posts
May 10 2011 02:32 GMT
#1976
The VODs are really choppy, and it makes the games hard to watch. They have been improving in other areas, so I hope they can fix this issue soon. It's a big one IMO.

I also wish they would stick to a standard for labeling videos, and that they would take out the long bit of filler before the pre-game show in the VODs or at least tell us how much time we need to skip.

Since they had a partnership setup with Justin.tv, it would be nice to see something more than just a standard list of videos.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 02:36:51
May 10 2011 02:34 GMT
#1977
On May 10 2011 04:45 Blacko wrote:
I stand corrected, if the games are cast live. Too bad they SOUND like casting from VODs. These guys just arent HYPED. You want Tastosis, you KNOW they love the game itself, and having a blast casting it. Same with Day9, same with others to a lesser degree. It sounds like a job for these guys, and it just aint workin.


Honestly, iNc and Gretorp get really hyped about the great games they cast (like Brat_Ok vs. Ace). The problem is the not so great games. It's like when Tasteosis had to cast Code A. They weren't excited at all. It's going to improve as the league develops.
Gridline
Profile Joined January 2011
United States41 Posts
May 10 2011 03:14 GMT
#1978

InControl is just responding the way everyone is to some Gretorp's jokes: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn, WHAT?

It's better to acknowledge a failed joke than pretend it didn't happen, I say.


haha It's because some of the stuff that come out of Gretorps mouth is completely ridiculous / borderline complete troll.. although he seems sincere.

Incontrol just has no response to something like that ... personally I think it's hilarious and a wonderful dynamic they have aquired from it.

Keep going brothers, you are excellent casters and compliment each other beautifully.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
May 10 2011 03:16 GMT
#1979
i haven't been watching lately but in the few games i did i noticed that you both seemed tired and bored with the casting job. get more casters.
TurkeyBacon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States30 Posts
May 10 2011 03:29 GMT
#1980
Wow, I love Gretorp+InControl. Probably my favorite casting duo (outside of Tastetosis, of course). Sure, InControl jumps on every mistake of Gretorp while Gretorp doesn't point out InControl's numerous screwups. That's what makes it great. It seems like a genuine friendship, with friendly jokes and insults when the games get boring. Not usual for a casting duo, and about as polar opposite from Day9/Husky as it can get, but for some reason it feels more genuine. This makes the excitement more genuine when a really epic game comes along.
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