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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:23 Fries wrote: Am I the only one who was able to watch smoothly at 1080p last night? Nope, it was fine for me-- sound and everything. But this is the internet, so it is impossible for anyone to be happy. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:34 NoahNickels wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2011 04:05 Chill wrote: No. Asking a "bold" rhetorical question here makes no sense. It is 100% not their responsibility. Okay. You shouldn't have bought it before the product was released then. You can expect whatever you want, and feel however you want to feel. At the end of the day it is you who set the bar for disappointment and it's not their responsibility. Maybe you can spread some of the blame to the NASL because of how they hyped this league, but I feel like that's standard advertising and promotion techniques. When I read that a knife is going to change my life, I don't feel disappointed when my life is largely the same. Great, because neither of these analogies describe the current situation! They advertised VODs and 1080p, both of which you get by paying the fee! Chill, i don't get why you insist that we're all morons for buying something like this before we saw it? The league was hyped and hyped by people we TRUST from this very community. There are several leagues currently running who've done the job very right, and it was against those that we judged the potential of NASL. Is it that ridiculous for us to assume that they would follow the patterns of those who did it correctly? I dont think he was saying we are morons, he was just saying use common sense and dont buy something before you have even seen it, wich makes sense. Although i agree with you we were totally tricked by people we trusted, and they promised something that simply wasnt there, we should have judged for ourselves and somebody's idea of something great could easily be clouded by their involvment in the project. | ||
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
The way they act now is annoying. | ||
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
I think Chill has articulated himself quite nicely and sufficiently. Just my two cents. To be fair to me, he typed up his most succinct points while i was typing mine. Basically he said "I have been here for a long time, i have been let down before, i know hype is bullshit." I can relate to that. But no one likes being called a moron — nub or not. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Chill, i don't get why you insist that we're all morons for buying something like this before we saw it? The league was hyped and hyped by people we TRUST from this very community. There are several leagues currently running who've done the job very right, and it was against those that we judged the potential of NASL. Is it that ridiculous for us to assume that they would follow the patterns of those who did it correctly? I don't think he is saying we are morons, Chill just has a longer history with esports and was more aware of the falters it had in the past than most of us who just got into esports with SC2. | ||
Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:34 NoahNickels wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2011 04:05 Chill wrote: No. Asking a "bold" rhetorical question here makes no sense. It is 100% not their responsibility. Okay. You shouldn't have bought it before the product was released then. You can expect whatever you want, and feel however you want to feel. At the end of the day it is you who set the bar for disappointment and it's not their responsibility. Maybe you can spread some of the blame to the NASL because of how they hyped this league, but I feel like that's standard advertising and promotion techniques. When I read that a knife is going to change my life, I don't feel disappointed when my life is largely the same. Great, because neither of these analogies describe the current situation! They advertised VODs and 1080p, both of which you get by paying the fee! Chill, i don't get why you insist that we're all morons for buying something like this before we saw it? The league was hyped and hyped by people we TRUST from this very community. There are several leagues currently running who've done the job very right, and it was against those that we judged the potential of NASL. Is it that ridiculous for us to assume that they would follow the patterns of those who did it correctly? I'm not insisting you're morons and I'd love the NASL to have crushed it out of the gate. The pattern is people doing it incorrectly, actually, so you should have followed that. You should have waited to see what was delivered, not what was implied. It's only $25 and it's not a big deal. I'm just trying to make the rational point, to the people freaking out, that the NASL delivered on what they promised. All other shortcomings were simply a product of hype. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:37 FrostOtter wrote: Nope, it was fine for me-- sound and everything. But this is the internet, so it is impossible for anyone to be happy. lool well clearly you 2 arent very picky with your videos then, because the video was running at 15 frames per second, sure that may be fine for some, but when i see 1080p and pay 25 dollars i expect it to be running at the standard 24 frames per second at least. Im an audio and video phile though clearly some people are less picky then others. I dont like playing my games at 15 frames per second and i surely dont want to watch games at that framerate either. And no its not user dependent this problem is coming from their end or JTV's, its a problem with post production and the way they encode it so dont tell me that its running at 24 fps for you because it defenetly wasnt. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:38 NoahNickels wrote: I can relate to that. But no one likes being called a moron — nub or not. I think you misinterprited my moron comment. The people who are making ridiculous suggestions they are painting as helpful - like firing the entire staff and hiring professionals - are morons. The people who believed the hype and dropped $25 are just optimists - I would never say or even imply they are morons. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic and believing and hoping, You just have to expect to get burned a few times and accept responsibility for it. That's what happened here. | ||
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RainWhisper
United Arab Emirates333 Posts
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:43 Chill wrote: I think you misinterprited my moron comment. The people who are making ridiculous suggestions they are painting are helpful - like firing the entire staff and hiring professionals - are morons. The people who believed the hype and dropped $25 are just optimists - I would never say or even imply they are morons.[\SPOILER] There's nothing wrong with being optimistic and believing and hoping, You just have to expect to get burned a few times and accept responsibility for it. That's what happened here. It's definitely been a learning experience. I think like you, the rest of us very much wanted this to be the GSL of North America. My expectations for IGN's league are now guarded as well. | ||
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Daeno
Canada76 Posts
I've watched NASL on about 3 nights so far, using the free stream, as I figured it would be good to test it out before biting and taking the 25$ bait. Well, I'm glad I did, because although the games might be entertaining, the production is among the poorest I've seen so far. Just...basic stuff that confounds me how it gets past whoever. Anyways, here are my tips: 1) THE SOUND. Holy shit. Just like Chill said earlier, it isn't being mixed properly, commentary is in stereo, yet games sound & music are locked to whatever unholy channel makes it play just out of my left ear on my headset. This is insanely aggravating, and the thing that bugs me the most. Like, bugs me to the point where I don't want to watch it, or I mute it. 2) Commentary. Although the commentators do seem to have a little bit of chemistry that is starting to show, and the faux-excitement seems to have died down, the banter a lot of times seems really...I don't know how to describe it other than to call it unprofessional. Internet & Starcraft meme's, catchphrases and the like might please the hardcore fan, but it honestly seems really immature. Last night, after a couple of long, 40+ minute games, Incontrol actually was whining and spun around in his chair like a child, and seemed resentful of casting another long game. WTF? That attitude has to go. Worst thing I've seen so far. 3) Video Quality. Not as bad as the sound issues, but as other posters have mentioned, it appears the stream is like 15FPS. Really choppy. I mean you can advertise your 1080p stream till you are blue in the face, but if it's 1080p at 15fps, I'd rather have 720p at 30fps all day long. 4)Lack of communication on issues. I may be wrong on this one, as I don't read every thread on here and I'm not scraping the barrel when I look for esports news. But I haven't really seen anything from NASL on the issues at all, well, other than Incontrol taking the bullet and apologizing for everything on State of the Game, which is a nice gesture, but ultimately empty if nothing comes from it. How about a statement from the company with something like, "We know we have issues, we are working on them, and we'd like to give everybody a free day or week or whatever to check out our high quality stream and see that we have improved". I mean that would be smart, I'd check it out. And if it was improved, I'd probably give them my money. So yeah, and it's important that NASL moves quickly, because there's so much SC2 to watch at the moment, people are going to choose to NOT watch NASL if it keeps on like this. tl;dr : FIX YOUR SHIT AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY MONEY | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
it like the sounds not even in terms of left and right channels. EDIT didnt read the above post you could try and stream it for like 5 minutes on a hidden channel and actually WATCH it for 5 minutes to see whats wrong with it on all qualities its like proof reading but proof watching. | ||
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kathode
United States265 Posts
Watching yesterday was a HUGE improvement from what it has been in the past week. It is not simple running a massive league with DAILY shows while being understaffed. I have been involved in broadcasting events featuring hundreds of participants such as the CES event a few weeks ago and no matter the size it is not a simple task. Many things go wrong that you would never figure would be an issue until they come up and then you get criticized by thousands of people for it being a waste of time and money. It is unfair to ask for your money back on something that is not fully justifiable. If there were multiple days were NASL decided to not broadcast in 1080p or just did not broadcast at all, I would understand some of the problems issues people will bring up and would want compensation. And speaking of compensation, I would not be surprised if NASL treats all those who paid with some extra features in the future to make up for the mistakes they have had in the past week. They want this league to succeed more than you all want to watch these SC2 games and will make adjustments to make the league extraordinary. Overall, NASL knows what they are doing wrong. They are actively trying to fix it and I know for a fact that this league will be well worth the $25 in the future. This league is over 10 weeks long.. Paying $25 for this is not a huge deal so I think people need to get over it and realize that NASL is going to be amazing within 2 weeks. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:52 Daeno wrote: Just wanted to chime in on my experiences here. I've watched NASL on about 3 nights so far, using the free stream, as I figured it would be good to test it out before biting and taking the 25$ bait. Well, I'm glad I did, because although the games might be entertaining, the production is among the poorest I've seen so far. Just...basic stuff that confounds me how it gets past whoever. Anyways, here are my tips: 1) THE SOUND. Holy shit. Just like Chill said earlier, it isn't being mixed properly, commentary is in stereo, yet games sound & music are locked to whatever unholy channel makes it play just out of my left ear on my headset. This is insanely aggravating, and the thing that bugs me the most. Like, bugs me to the point where I don't want to watch it, or I mute it. 2) Commentary. Although the commentators do seem to have a little bit of chemistry that is starting to show, and the faux-excitement seems to have died down, the banter a lot of times seems really...I don't know how to describe it other than to call it unprofessional. Internet & Starcraft meme's, catchphrases and the like might please the hardcore fan, but it honestly seems really immature. Last night, after a couple of long, 40+ minute games, Incontrol actually was whining and spun around in his chair like a child, and seemed resentful of casting another long game. WTF? That attitude has to go. Worst thing I've seen so far. 3) Video Quality. Not as bad as the sound issues, but as other posters have mentioned, it appears the stream is like 15FPS. Really choppy. I mean you can advertise your 1080p stream till you are blue in the face, but if it's 1080p at 15fps, I'd rather have 720p at 30fps all day long. 4)Lack of communication on issues. I may be wrong on this one, as I don't read every thread on here and I'm not scraping the barrel when I look for esports news. But I haven't really seen anything from NASL on the issues at all, well, other than Incontrol taking the bullet and apologizing for everything on State of the Game, which is a nice gesture, but ultimately empty if nothing comes from it. How about a statement from the company with something like, "We know we have issues, we are working on them, and we'd like to give everybody a free day or week or whatever to check out our high quality stream and see that we have improved". I mean that would be smart, I'd check it out. And if it was improved, I'd probably give them my money. So yeah, and it's important that NASL moves quickly, because there's so much SC2 to watch at the moment, people are going to choose to NOT watch NASL if it keeps on like this. tl;dr : FIX YOUR SHIT AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY MONEY I agree with your first two points and your fourth point(as pointed out in previous posts) The reason why I'm not paying $25 is because Incontrol and gretorp are casting. They spell doom together, I don't know why Incontrol is casting, he should be practicing for games, his effort is just not in casting, get in djWHEAT, Chill, Day[9], Husky, or even.. HD, and I might consider buying a pass. The commentary is really what is ruining the NASL IMO. I really only watch the first few matches and then switch on the daily. | ||
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Titilisk
96 Posts
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
Also the sound quality is absolutely terrible it is like they bought a 20 dollar microphone and said here deal with this crap because we have no money to buy microphones that are 80-100 dollars and give crystal clear quality. other than that i am enjoying the HQ stream, just sad because the sound quality being garbage and the constant lag they have from their PC's is annoying I hope they fix it soon. If it keeps up i will be asking for my money back... my money should not be wasted. i mean hell i can watch the GSL in 1080p with great sound quality, no choppy games and it only costs me 15 bucks ... | ||
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Bunker
Sweden49 Posts
Gonna go watch some GSL now ;> Gl Hf. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
- To someone who commented on the two long games where InControl was supposedly 'whining' about the length, I'm gonna have to disagree after just watching it and just say that from my perspective he was joking around. The sound is a bit of a problem, the ingame music is a bit too loud in my opinion and should be an easy fix. The framerate can drop at times which can be frustrating. But overall in my opinion this has been blown a bit out of proportion. I understand people being upset but these issues WILL be resolved unless they want their money to go to waste. Give it a few weeks when there starts to be some interesting matches and all issues are resolved; I believe people will be flocking back and NASL will staple themselves as the real deal. Just my opinions | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
Since I haven't paid for the HD stream, I can't comment on the 1080p's framerate, but Executor1 have you confirmed that your pc can actually play the 1080p stream at full speed? | ||
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Toastmold
Canada207 Posts
On the other side of things I think the commentary is improving! | ||
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