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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 21 2011 08:53 GMT
#1241
- Put up some free vods. Even gomtv have those (the first of each series). Doesn't have to be that many but maybe upload one free game after each stream as the "Game of the day" or something. I think it would be good pr and you might get more paying customers that want to see the rest of the games.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
MrSpider
Profile Joined January 2011
France173 Posts
April 21 2011 08:55 GMT
#1242
On April 21 2011 17:53 nihlon wrote:
- Put up some free vods. Even gomtv have those (the first of each series). Doesn't have to be that many but maybe upload one free game after each stream as the "Game of the day" or something. I think it would be good pr and you might get more paying customers that want to see the rest of the games.


True!

And keep going nasl!
Les androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?
Rocor
Profile Joined January 2011
United States55 Posts
April 21 2011 12:54 GMT
#1243
Hello,

Just my 2cents, get the audio fixed asap. I think that poor audio is setting up the casters to fail. They both have good potential but if their voices sound hollow or echoed or lost in the mix people will be turned off.

you can have the best singer in the world but if the mix is bad then people will hate on the singer..

try this:
record the audio->mix -> equalize ->compress -> encode

then -listen- to the audio, compare it to the GSL audio and go back and tweak the eq and compressor and encoder settings until it sounds AWESOME... (audio recording 101)

I promise you it will alleviate some of the problems people are having with the casters... when the voices sound bad you are hanging the casters out to dry.

NASL should offer refunds and free vods until the basic audio and video fps problems are fixed...

Dune, the building of
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
April 21 2011 14:49 GMT
#1244
As an example, compare the VODs of TLO vs ViBe on day one to ViBe vs Moon yesterday. On the first day the video was smooth (enough), but since then it has been choppy and I just can't watch it. The audio isn't any better and if anything it's worse.

NASL, why are you getting worse?
dar0za
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada74 Posts
April 21 2011 16:12 GMT
#1245
the audio issues were way too distracting last night, especially the left-channel-only music, and the bad compressor setting that makes every scratch and hiss in-game 10 times louder than it needs to be.

it just seems like there's no "perfectionist" producer overseeing the whole thing that has an eye for production quality. just look at the stretched photos on the website, amateurish colours and typefaces. the whole thing about the editor using the wrong video files. you'd think someone would just see how some of those things stick out like sore thumbs and just get it fixed. there's a lot of talk about how much pride is going into this but there's just no follow through. i gave benefit of the doubt at first but it's just one thing after another.

the casting is the one thing i have no issue with, their confidence and chemistry is already improving quite a bit.
open your mind a little too much and your brain will fall out. | sansfromage #302
Kresnik02
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil36 Posts
April 21 2011 16:42 GMT
#1246
I got pm'd by OCsurfeR and he said that NASL paid 40k for the website, he is NASL staff.

I cant believe.
My english is really bad, sorry about that.
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 17:04:49
April 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#1247
On April 22 2011 01:42 Kresnik02 wrote:
I got pm'd by OCsurfeR and he said that NASL paid [removed by TS] for the website, he is NASL staff.

I cant believe.


Not cool, bro.

That info, if true, should remain the business of the NASL and its clients.
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
beridoxy
Profile Joined August 2010
France54 Posts
April 21 2011 17:02 GMT
#1248
Setup paypal and fix the sound like most say, for the other things I know it will be better and better.

Good luck.
NoahNickels
Profile Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
April 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#1249
E-gads. If that's the case, I am not charging enough for my work!
"One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high-powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
dstryr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 17:54:47
April 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#1250
Here are a couple of suggestions to help the production improve:

1- Refine camera operation while spectating. You really need to be using the middle mouse button and scrolling smoothly while you are focused on the action.

2- Consider refining the Player info slides-- the design needs some work. It looks very amateurish at the moment--sorry to be blunt. It is very wide open and the typeface leaves a lot to be desired. Let me know if you need any help!
Meldrath
Profile Joined June 2010
United States620 Posts
April 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#1251
You should set up a legend of issues being worked on issues solved and issues yet to be addressed so we can see the progress on our suggestions...
slap me I must be dreaming another "imba" arugment! fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
nira
Profile Joined April 2010
United States116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 18:14:56
April 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1252
On April 22 2011 01:54 TimeSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 01:42 Kresnik02 wrote:
I got pm'd by OCsurfeR and he said that NASL paid [removed by TS] for the website, he is NASL staff.

I cant believe.


(σ・∀・)σ [attention whoring bold color text removed by nira]

That info, if true, should remain the business of the NASL and its clients.


It could be true with the amount of money they are putting into the competition. The real question is why on earth would someone PM a guy with 7 posts telling him how much NASL paid for the website.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 21 2011 18:16 GMT
#1253
On April 21 2011 21:54 Rocor wrote:
Hello,

Just my 2cents, get the audio fixed asap. I think that poor audio is setting up the casters to fail. They both have good potential but if their voices sound hollow or echoed or lost in the mix people will be turned off.

you can have the best singer in the world but if the mix is bad then people will hate on the singer..

try this:
record the audio->mix -> equalize ->compress -> encode

then -listen- to the audio, compare it to the GSL audio and go back and tweak the eq and compressor and encoder settings until it sounds AWESOME... (audio recording 101)

I promise you it will alleviate some of the problems people are having with the casters... when the voices sound bad you are hanging the casters out to dry.

NASL should offer refunds and free vods until the basic audio and video fps problems are fixed...



I really agree with this (except the refund thing). I just listened to the NASL restream and the sound is phone quality... I usually don't care much about sound or image quality, but the horrible sound made me actually turn off the stream. Hire someone to fix it, get an expert and let him work on it, don't go the cheap route and try to do that with inexperienced staff.

Too bad it's in the US, in Germany i could immedatly recommend an expert i know who does sound stuff for a lot of concerts :-/

Anyways, keep up the good work otherwise, there are lots of interesting matches.

PS: PayPal possible some time soon?
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 21 2011 18:28 GMT
#1254
On April 22 2011 03:12 nira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 01:54 TimeSpiral wrote:
On April 22 2011 01:42 Kresnik02 wrote:
I got pm'd by OCsurfeR and he said that NASL paid [removed by TS] for the website, he is NASL staff.

I cant believe.


(σ・∀・)σ [attention whoring bold color text removed by nira]

That info, if true, should remain the business of the NASL and its clients.


It could be true with the amount of money they are putting into the competition. The real question is why on earth would someone PM a guy with 7 posts telling him how much NASL paid for the website.


hahahaha

Good one.
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br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 18:34:46
April 21 2011 18:32 GMT
#1255
It's not their responsibility to meet your imagined expectations.


Isn't it actually?
I know I expect a solid bang for the buck.
I wouldnt buy a 20 piece chicken bucket to only get 15 pieces.
I wouldnt buy a car if the dealership said it "might" work

Production value is pretty amateur, casters are OK, but the value of production is incredibly bad.
"its costs $25 and it MIGHT be good"
Good seller
The music on 2-1 was pretty bad, it played the whole damn time!
does nasl actually watch the replay? to tweak and edit the BAD stuff
or do they just say "meh good enough"

Need more dedication with the crew or find viable ppl who can volunteer to make us say "WOW"

for now, their is NO wow effect.

Pharaun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany150 Posts
April 21 2011 18:41 GMT
#1256
When you watch the restream right udner the stream standings: Morrow x:x WTF??? iam watching the game RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
It has to start somewhere. - It has to start sometime. - What better place than here. - What better time than now?!!!! -All hell can't stop us now
Kresnik02
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil36 Posts
April 21 2011 18:54 GMT
#1257
On April 20 2011 00:20 Kresnik02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 00:10 OPman wrote:
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.


Really??

You've got some strange priorities. I'm sure it's hard to have people to provide a picture, but a picture of Boxer??? Maybe they're trying to avoid copyright issues or something.

One picture?
http://nasl.tv/Players
10 picures.

And yes, for me, that shows how much they invested on this league. 400k prize pool for 3 seasons and (talking about prices on Brazil) cant spend 2k on the website? Or request good pictures to the players?

Sure, all of the stream problem, the complaints about spoilers are big things, but i believe its "excusable" because they are big! This is so small and easy to be done right and they manage to make this shitty?


I got pmed by him because of this post, this is why someone would share that information with some random noob.
My english is really bad, sorry about that.
Fries
Profile Joined August 2010
United States124 Posts
April 21 2011 18:55 GMT
#1258
Firstly, I really enjoyed watching last night. I thought from a casting perspective Gretorp and Incontrol were very funny and made it fun to listen. Some people have commented that they don't consider some of the comments professional, etc, but you can't please everyone I guess. I think you both were good last night and I hope you continue to just be yourselves, even if that means self deprecation or joking about the games. Particularly enjoyed Gretorps comment that they're "good at editing things out."

I've seen people comment on the video being choppy. For me, it was the best it has been so far. I was able to stream 1080p pretty smoothly even wireless to my laptop. This was the first night I've had success doing so. Usually I have had to go down to 480p to get it to play smoothly. The audio did sound worse, but as I'm sure that's still a work in progress I don't see a need to comment on it.

One suggestion I had, relates to the sheer volume of games. A lot have commented about how many games there will be and how clearly people won't be watching every single one. Because of this, what people would probably like to do is follow their favorite 5 or 10 players in the NASL plus any big matches that night. A better VOD system would obviously help this (also a way to hide the results when going to play the vods. GOMs system is great, but I've even seen some series on youtube where they always put up 3 videos even if game 3 wasn't needed).

Another idea relating to this...since there is the extra day for editing and you should know ahead of time how long the cast for the day will be, etc, it would be nice to have a schedule for the day. For example if I could see that TLO vs Morrow is going to start at 8:30 est I could tune in for whatever match I want to see that day. The obvious downside to this is that could potentially spoil previous matchups if people really wanted to take a close look at the times of each match. Maybe some way to post that where it can be viewed only by people curious about the times?
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
April 21 2011 18:59 GMT
#1259
my biggest problem right now is the audio man, it doesn't matter how good you are as a caster if the sound quality is this bad ( just makes their voices annoying imo
Toth201
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 19:08:00
April 21 2011 19:01 GMT
#1260
the standings is right below the stream on the homepage, for us EU's who watch the restream, this potentially spoils alot of games, especially in the early stages of the tourney

edit: the obvious way to fix this would be to remove it, since there 's a whole different standings tab on the site.
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