• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:25
CEST 12:25
KST 19:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202568RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced3BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Server Blocker Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Simple editing of Brood War save files? (.mlx) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food!
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 731 users

Tips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 117 Next
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
April 13 2011 17:19 GMT
#381
You need to check European times and stream when you said that you would stream. I missed basicly the Grubby - Moon series and the pregame show. That's a really bad start for the european community and it's a very very dumb mistake.
Second issue is the hardcore laggy stream today right now. Don't now why it is like this, but pleaaase fix it.
Nutro
Profile Joined August 2010
26 Posts
April 13 2011 17:20 GMT
#382
Isn't there an option to make the stream mobile friendly or does that kill the quality? It kind of sucks not being able to watch on my phone since it's "not optimized for mobile"
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
April 13 2011 17:22 GMT
#383
i guess it has been said a 100 times by now but i didnt want to read the full thread:

i missed the most interesting series of today because it was almost done when it should have started according to plan

even worse: the stream .... framerate is so freakin low and its so choppy and laggy. i guess its not the stream but the qzuality of the video you are showing, but even for a freestream this is not acceptable for such a professional league
No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 17:27:55
April 13 2011 17:23 GMT
#384
Gretorp should where his eSTRO jacket instead of the blazer.

Plenty of small tweaks to be made with the broadcast as some have mentioned but overall I'm highly optimistic after day 1

Edit: or maybe tiger suit? + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
(US) NoRoo.fighting
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 13 2011 17:25 GMT
#385
On April 14 2011 02:01 Grettin wrote:
I don't like the idea of splitting the broadcasting between NA and EU. First of all, it seems to be impossible to avoid some kind of spoilers if you are using Facebook, Twitter or well.. read teamliquid. And right know EU broadcasting seem to fail alot. I don't know is it because of your recording or JustinTV or what..

IMO E-sport is much more enjoyable when you know everyone who's interest (And majority of them) is watching the same thing you are at the same time. But now when some of the Europeans and most of the NA watchers are split.. i feel like i'm just watching VoD's or something.

The quality of the stream seems to be pretty damn low. I wonder how the HD stream works for Europeans.

I'm sad to say but i think i won't be watching much of NASL (Of course i read about it and check the results). Not because the stream is bad, but the broadcasting thing is just not for me. I know it sounds ridiculous but hey, you can't please everyone.

I'm still glad something like this is happening in West. I hope the best of luck to you and i'm sure it'll work perfectly at some point!


Taking my words back about the stream quality. Even the free stream quality seems to be really good looking except the laggyness. Had it on 480p instead of "best".
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
memelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden5 Posts
April 13 2011 17:25 GMT
#386
different colors on players ingame, besides red and blue. Not only does it make the game cooler and more interesting, it helps the colormemory to assosiate with the specific game.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
April 13 2011 17:26 GMT
#387
Jesuschrist, this threads always start out nicely, with a nice title with an oh so cozy proposition.

Then it's all downhill from there. It all derails catastrophically into a list of "I like this. I like that, I don't like this.

THANKS."
It just makes me cringe. I want the NASL to be the super über best evar too forever, but honestly some folks need to get some perspective, ASAP.

If you're really planning to start a thread about something like this, consider making a real outline or list of detailed constructive criticism with some arguments behind it; don't leave it up to the other posters to save the thread.
WellPlayed.org <3
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 17:27:58
April 13 2011 17:26 GMT
#388
I the biggest single problem for me is how everything is kinda plain and cold. The studio doesn't look bad per se but it could look use some more decoration and less gray.

Some kind of quietish background music during games and off-time, SC2 music for example, would help alot in getting the right "feel". I think IEM does this alot and it works nicely. Also, the sound design could use some work since there seems to be a little echo going on, or maybe I'm imagining it.

I expect the commentators to improve as time goes on, although Geoff does a really good job already.
Unreg
Profile Joined August 2010
181 Posts
April 13 2011 17:26 GMT
#389
How to improve ?
EU Restream is extremly laggy sadly right now Im sad I paid for this but im hoping for a better tomorow
less is more
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
April 13 2011 17:26 GMT
#390
I disagree, with the first one, I actually like not having the music, But this may be because I am used to watching GSL while being tired so listening to terran music makes me sleepy.
gg wp
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 17:36:49
April 13 2011 17:29 GMT
#391
personally i prefer to listen to the Incontrol who is calmly talking on his stream or state of the game than the one trying to be overexcited in the NASL
also i would like to see score + health bars
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
April 13 2011 17:29 GMT
#392
there needs to be some music in the background. The silence is awkard.
greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
April 13 2011 17:29 GMT
#393
As others have mentioned, my concerns:

-Keep the production tab up.
-Have casters look at the production tab so we don't see banelings before either of them notice there's a baneling nest like in the first game.
-Better camera movement. Missed the mid-map positioning before some major battles and quite a few drops.
-On the website the standings aren't sorted by record
-It was a tragedy seeing Rainbow suffer through his lag without a pause because casters a) were spectators and b) didn't know their buddy list is on the right side of the screen for messaging.
http://i.imgur.com/N3ujB.png
Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
April 13 2011 17:35 GMT
#394
First off, I'd like to applaud NASL for the excellent improvements that have been made since the Clash of Titans showmatch. I think everyone acknowledged what happened and really worked to improve the stream, this was quite noticeable. I have one observation which I don't think has been mentioned yet, so I'm leaving that viewable. Other observations are noted in spoilers. Since nobody seems to have mentioned this first point, I didn't want the rest of my text wall detracting from people reading.

NASL seems to have put time and energy into making the league as much about the teams as the players, yet during yesterday's cast the only real mention I heard about teams was when the players were introduced, or the occasional EG or TL reference. I think if the league is going to dedicate an entire portion of their site to teams, they should be focusing on this. Since this was the first day, obviously there aren't many storylines to pull from, but I hope as the league continues some mentioning of how players from team A are playing against team B, something like that.

+ Show Spoiler [Extra observations] +
Preshow: I'm all for a preshow. I love getting hyped for matches to come, however I think the format of the preshow should be adjusted from its day1 form. I wouldn't be surprised if this changed as early as next week since there really isn't any NASL content to pull from, but still a concern at the present moment. I can agree with highlighting players and maps for the day, but im hoping as the league progresses the preshow can serve as more a statistical overview (standings, race matchup W-L, etc) so players can be highlighted during their individual match.

With this in mind, I'd also like to mention the idea of not having a preshow at all, or at a very shortened one (10-15 MAX). Having a roomate who is only interested in watching sc2, he did nothing but complain the entire preshow that there was nothing but talking. Sure there were interviews but it was essentially the same thing..two people talking. Some gameplay footage, graphics with stats, something to help break up this talking would really help the quality from a pure spectator point of view. As a player I can really get into what was being discussed beforehand, but my roomate not so much, and was something I could understand. I could also see the viability in doing a 5 min preview before each match, which would still allot ~25 min of prematch content but broken up into more managable segments where people can become more attached to the information. I don't want to hear about Fenix vs Kiwikaki for 5 minutes when I'm not going to see them play for another 3 hours.

As far as the game itself, I think quality was awesome for the free stream, very few hiccups for myself, and ones that were present I would attribute to my own connection, so no complaints there. As many people pointed out, consistent lack of score was slightly annoying, although in a bo3 it wasn't too hard to keep track of. I noticed that the score overlay NASL was using did manage to appear during the rainbow/morrow match, so I assume this will get worked out. Perhaps a custom scoreboard would suit the league better as this would remove the supply redundancy and allow viewers more of the screen to see.

In terms of casting, I would rate it a 6/10, which I don't think is terrible considering this was the first cast. One of the things I think may have been missing was the fact that there didn't seem to be any defined roles for either caster. Looking at the Tastosis, there are roles defined between commentator and color commentary. If these roles were defined, it was not as clear to me so it may just take time for this to develop between the two casters. Unfortunately I tend to agree with sentiments about Gretorp, however saying he shouldn't be commentating or that a replacement should be found is slightly overboard. I can't offer any specific advice as to how to improve, but I can say something definitely felt off listening to Gretorp as opposed to Incontrol.
Without a community, we're all just a bunch of geeks.
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
April 13 2011 17:37 GMT
#395
you will lose every single european viewer if this doesnt get better

its unwatchable
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
April 13 2011 17:40 GMT
#396

7.- Instead of doing player profiles in one big batch at the start, put them inbetween sets


I like the player profiles in the pre-show, so they can be skipped. After the first week, when every single player has been profiled, what else is left? Do you really want to see player profiles between each match, each week for 10 weeks?



HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
April 13 2011 17:40 GMT
#397
I am a European viewer. I actually stayed up last night to watch from 2 am to 5:30. I just wanted to rewatch the first TLO vs Vibe game because I didn;t catched all of it last night.

I think its a Justin.tv problem. When I am one of very few European watchers at night, and you have like 5k and more americans watching at the same time, the stream is just fine.
Today its almost unwatchable because of lag. I guess Justin. Tv does not have the infrastructures to stream such an event in Europe. MAYBE restream with another provider.
Escapist
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal548 Posts
April 13 2011 17:42 GMT
#398
Im watching the rebroadcast as we speak and i think its a brilliant idea for anyone on this side of the Atlantic that enjoys SC2 and can only thank for it to NASL organization.

Now the issue is that on 240p, 360p and 480p it lags quite a lot and apparently not only for me based on what im able to read on the JTV chat.

Anyway, its bearable but a sign that the ticket for HD would only be usable to enjoy the VODs, and apparently those are all in 1080p HD meaning that my crappy internet would probably roll over and die.

Anyway, best of luck for NASL and hopefully this issues will be solved promptly. Peace.
EU / US / KR English Shoutcasted Matches 720p HD -> http://www.youtube.com/user/xHydrax
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
April 13 2011 17:42 GMT
#399
On April 14 2011 02:37 robih wrote:
you will lose every single european viewer if this doesnt get better

its unwatchable


Thats a little vague... care to expand?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 17:44:41
April 13 2011 17:43 GMT
#400
By reading a battle report i would get more or just as much of these games .

The lag is unbearable... I have it on lowest and can't watch a thing. I normally don't have an issues with max quality for basically everything.

But it's justin.tv's problem with europe.. Sometimes it runs good, very often it's just not worth to even start the stream (like today).

Oh, right now it died.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 117 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #94
CranKy Ducklings43
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 234
ProTech39
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 937
Larva 487
Jaedong 339
firebathero 312
actioN 312
ToSsGirL 309
Shuttle 256
EffOrt 235
Zeus 202
Mind 195
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 166
Hyun 165
Free 157
ggaemo 67
ZerO 59
Rush 54
Last 51
Shinee 29
zelot 21
Movie 19
sSak 8
Dota 2
XcaliburYe874
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss664
edward103
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor214
Other Games
singsing1913
Happy427
Beastyqt425
Fuzer 327
crisheroes273
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1040
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH269
• StrangeGG 51
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2235
League of Legends
• Jankos1297
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3h 35m
CSO Cup
5h 35m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
7h 35m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
22h 35m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 3h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 7h
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL Team Wars
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.