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On April 12 2011 11:25 chobopeon wrote:
a good response. i feel bad that dickward has been the target of some insults today but, mostly, his article has been the catalyst for several intelligent, in depth responses from people with a great deal more knowledge than most in the esports community. im glad he wrote it and im glad for the back and forth that has come out of it.
I hope he feels as positive about the experience 
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On April 12 2011 11:36 echO [W] wrote:
I do have a question for you Kennegit, assuming the viewership is there, do you see the possibility of an MBC Game, or Ongamenet type channel coming to cable television in the west?
There are plenty of very niche cable channels that manage to stay alive like the Military Channel or G4 (though G4 isn't hard core video game coverage) or the Biography channel, or Investigation Discovery. I do admit that I have no idea the inner workings, profit/loss etc etc of these channels.
Or is it simply a cultural divide between something Korea has thats unique to Korea, and immensely difficult to replicate outside of Korea? (the fact that StarCraft is essentially Korea's past time and that you need to reach past-time status to sustain traditional television type programming)
I think North American culture is too different to draw any kind predicition about an MBC/OGN type station. Video Gaming still has far too much stigma around it, and even within gaming culture E-Sports is quite niche. Look at G4 which targets a very broad group of gamers and still has to include casual content like Cops to help ratings.
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Awesome read. That was very well written and I couldn't agree more.
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Anybody who would watch SC2 on TV would also watch it online. It seems pretty pointless to have it on TV anyway. It's the same reason why music isn't played as much on radio as it used to- because people have ipods.
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very interesting points, but i'd still love one day to be able to turn on the tv and watch 2 of my favorite pros battling it out for a large sum of money. kinda like a boxing match or something
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YES! I have something to link to people who complain about why sc and "esports" aren't on TV.
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This really changes my perspective on esports becoming televised, It seems like it'd be much more successful gaining popularity through the current streaming mediums.
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Well done Kennigit. We need to get you on the State of the Game as why SC 2 isn't on TV and why that's good 
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On April 12 2011 11:39 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 11:36 echO [W] wrote:
I do have a question for you Kennegit, assuming the viewership is there, do you see the possibility of an MBC Game, or Ongamenet type channel coming to cable television in the west?
There are plenty of very niche cable channels that manage to stay alive like the Military Channel or G4 (though G4 isn't hard core video game coverage) or the Biography channel, or Investigation Discovery. I do admit that I have no idea the inner workings, profit/loss etc etc of these channels.
Or is it simply a cultural divide between something Korea has thats unique to Korea, and immensely difficult to replicate outside of Korea? (the fact that StarCraft is essentially Korea's past time and that you need to reach past-time status to sustain traditional television type programming) I think North American culture is too different to draw any kind predicition about an MBC/OGN type station. Video Gaming still has far too much stigma around it, and even within gaming culture E-Sports is quite niche. Look at G4 which targets a very broad group of gamers and still has to include casual content like Cops to help ratings.
Not that I care if SC2 makes it on TV, in fact I'd rather have it live streamed on the internet mainly because I'm the guy with multiple monitors watching GSL, IEM, and some pro-gamer stream all at once while chatting on the various chat channels and TL IRC.
However, what you wrote in response I would say is StarCraft 2 in the short run (say next 10 years?), perhaps maybe with StarCraft 3 (yeah I know, we still have a long ways to go, give it 25 years) we may see an MBC Game or an OnGameNet in the west?
Props to writing the response. Nice to see someone speak who has been in the scene for a long time.
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TV is so overrated. who actually watches TV nowadays? everything you want to watch on TV can be watch on the internet.
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On April 12 2011 11:46 jtbem wrote:
TV is so overrated. who actually watches TV nowadays? everything you want to watch on TV can be watch on the internet.
The only problem with watching everything online is greedy ISPs and their bandwidth caps to either save money by not having to upgrade their networks to support the massive use of bandwidth, or forcing customers of Netflix and other streaming content providers to have to go pay for traditional content delivered via TV usually from the same ISPs.
I would happily give up my TV subscription in lieu of a faster internet speed than what I have and watch everything over the internet. There is just so much more flexibility.
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nice read....totally agree....and anyway what is tv?!? i stopped watching tv 3 years ago....it would be a real shame to see a diamond of entertainment like tsl between all those shit what usually comes on tv.....the whole idea of private tv stations is to make ridicvulous money by commercials, commercials who tell us to buy stupid plastic goods we dont need....keep our precious starcraft away from this shiT!!!
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i am a 29 year old german, i got a huge ass TV, and i only plug it in every 2nd year for the Soccer european championship and the Worldcup, thats it....
And even that is fading with more and more HQ streams even by the Broadcasting Stations being provided.
The way isnt bringing internet streams to the TV,i fully expect TV to get closer to the Internet streams.
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I love you Kennigit. As much as it would be awesome to see on television, it would never work in Western society. Possibly one day, one a niche channel like G4 (that I have never met a single person that has watched a minute of any program on that station, myself included) it might be possible to show leagues like NASL or something team based akin to the new TeSL which also have the added storyline to them needed to bring in the viewership numbers, but its never going to be primetime on Fox or ABC.
And I watch all my television shows online anyway, no ratings from me.
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Well said Kennigit! I agree 100% with everything. I much prefer the internet streams to conventional TV anyways (except when there's stream problems =( )
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Australia8532 Posts
Not only do you make the answer so clear, you do it in a really well thought out way; i am inclined to agree with what you have to say. I like the IPTV idea, and as long as there is an option to extend in some format i will be happy. I suppose with a growing social integration with online material the "must get on TV craze" will probably fade; i think organisations can feel they have "made it" without having to destroy a product by marketing it through mass mass media.
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the absolute only reason i would want SC2 on Tv is because no one else gets it and doesnt want to go on youtube and watch it, and my internet sucks
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United States2107 Posts
Sad but true. IPTV sounds real interesting I have never heard of it before this.
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Your post brings up some great points, and really changed my mind about the subject. I just assumed, like the author of the article does that tv showing = best thing for SC
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I'm curious, now, how do MBC and OGN do it? I don't know anything about the logistics of the BW scene, so maybe I'm missing something stupid, but why don't the reasons (Like the impossibility of commercial breaks and general inaccessibility of the game) that seem to logically preclude SC2 on Western TV apply to the Korean TV stations? Is there something fundamentally different about them?
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